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| Am I the only one that gets very aggravated about late fees at a barrel race? I understand processing fees, and I also understand that pre entering is easier on the producers but sometimes is hard to know if you are going to be able to run one day or two days, or if you are going to be able to get away at all!!! And yes, I know, if I don't like paying the fees, I just need to stay home, I get that too!
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| If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one. I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them.
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| From a producer’s stand point, the pre-entries help with decisions on how much help they are going to need to get, or even if they are getting enough entries to justify putting the race on. This especially applies to places where there aren’t many barrel races, or new barrel race producers are trying to start new races. |
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| runs4fun - 2018-04-13 8:02 AM
 If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one.  I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them.
At a big barrel race I can understand why they are necessary. |
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| love2ridepre - 2018-04-13 7:44 AM Am I the only one that gets very aggravated about late fees at a barrel race? I understand processing fees, and I also understand that pre entering is easier on the producers but sometimes is hard to know if you are going to be able to run one day or two days, or if you are going to be able to get away at all!!! And yes, I know, if I don't like paying the fees, I just need to stay home, I get that too! Anyways, rant over. Happy Friday everyone!!! None of our local producers charge late fees, most let you enter via text or email and pay the day of-usually you have to pay by 50 before your number or they release it. Most take entries till the last 25-it is great! These are shows that draw 200+ entries. Wrapn3 takes pre entries at their 10k added shows but continue to take entries the day of til last 25 with no late fee.
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Location: The edge of no where | runs4fun - 2018-04-13 8:02 AM If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one. I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them.
Ok - Here's what I just do not understand about producers with this mentality. With all of the software available, it's not that difficult to do a draw. I think it's a mentality that the barrel racing world has accepted and it's crazy. I've worked LOTS of BIG team ropings - we deal with the logistics of having a crew, and cattle ready for the weekend......... and Everything is on site entries (most ropings are).........you enter them, fix mistakes and post the draw. Books open at 7:30-8:30 and rope at 9:00 - then you close books on the rest of the ropings for the weekend when you get to about the 3rd round of the previous roping. It's not that hard to run 200+ teams per roping like this, and you're playing for far more $$ than most barrel races. Everything is cash or credit card. Those that enter earlier, get to go at the end (it's the best way to incentivise them to get their business tended to).
I've gone to many barrel races here in central north texas that are on site entries, enter till the last 25 or 50 and they run off over 300 entries a day. I HATE late entries and will often boycott producers that charge more than $10 per rider. It's a silly excuse with all the software/resources available that the have to be pre-entered to mange the draw. |
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Location: The edge of no where | rodeomom3 - 2018-04-13 8:50 AM love2ridepre - 2018-04-13 7:44 AM Am I the only one that gets very aggravated about late fees at a barrel race? I understand processing fees, and I also understand that pre entering is easier on the producers but sometimes is hard to know if you are going to be able to run one day or two days, or if you are going to be able to get away at all!!! And yes, I know, if I don't like paying the fees, I just need to stay home, I get that too! Anyways, rant over. Happy Friday everyone!!! None of our local producers charge late fees, most let you enter via text or email and pay the day of-usually you have to pay by 50 before your number or they release it. Most take entries till the last 25-it is great! These are shows that draw 200+ entries. Wrapn3 takes pre entries at their 10k added shows but continue to take entries the day of til last 25 with no late fee.
Bet these producers draw great numbers..... I've only been to a few Wrapn3 shows and thought they were awesome. I don't understand why more producers don't run them like her. |
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| This is for a local producer. They are having a series and you have to become a member in order to eligible for the awards ($$, totally understandable. They do give excellent awards and they are not cheap), of course you have to attend to many shows as well (absolutely, it makes sense). So between fees and memberships (one time only) it can be close to $100.
Their races attracts an average of 130-150 on average. I know the amount of work involved in producing a barrel race is crazy ( I've helped in many) and the entry table can get busy BUT I am sorry, I still don't see the necessity of late fees. If anything, you can encourage people to pre enter by waving half the processing fee or something like that. To me late fees can discouraged a lot of riders from going, mostly riders that don't know if they can get off work in advance to pre-enter. |
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| The bigger races regular jackpots around here do not charge them and close entries at/after the big drag at draw 50.
Frankly I think they are not needed and a way to turn people away. |
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| MS2011 - 2018-04-13 9:52 AM rodeomom3 - 2018-04-13 8:50 AM love2ridepre - 2018-04-13 7:44 AM Am I the only one that gets very aggravated about late fees at a barrel race? I understand processing fees, and I also understand that pre entering is easier on the producers but sometimes is hard to know if you are going to be able to run one day or two days, or if you are going to be able to get away at all!!! And yes, I know, if I don't like paying the fees, I just need to stay home, I get that too! Anyways, rant over. Happy Friday everyone!!!  None of our local producers charge late fees, most let you  enter via text or email and pay the day of-usually you have to pay by 50 before your number or they release it.  Most take entries till the last 25-it is great!  These are shows  that draw 200+ entries. Wrapn3 takes pre entries at their  10k added shows but continue to take entries the day of til  last 25 with no late fee.Â
 Even our smaller weeknight jackpots <100, take entries via text and pay when you get there.  To the OP,  I don’t see any need for late fees, they are a deterrent.   Over the last couple of years I’ve seen a real shift to accommodating the riders, it is sometimes a lot more work for the producers to deal with the scratches.  I am very diligent about canceling my pre entry if I can’t make it and most others are too, we really appreciate the effort to go to for us.
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Location: Texas! | I do the math when looking for races and if it's going to cost me close to $100 just to enter a low added money race I'll find somewhere else to go. |
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| I'm not a fan of late fees either, but I would rather pay them than lose the entire entry, because I wasn't able to make it, for some reason. Pre entered once for a larger race, something happened don't remember what, and wasn't able to go. Only got 70% back, so in that instance I would have been better off paying late fees. Of course if I want a certain draw and I'm pretty sure i can make it, ill pre enter. I do wait until the last minute tho! |
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| MS2011 - 2018-04-13 9:51 AM
runs4fun - 2018-04-13 8:02 AM  If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one.  I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them.
Ok - Here's what I just do not understand about producers with this mentality. With all of the software available, it's not that difficult to do a draw. I think it's a mentality that the barrel racing world has accepted and it's crazy. I've worked LOTS of BIG team ropings - we deal with the logistics of having a crew, and cattle ready for the weekend......... and Everything is on site entries (most ropings are).........you enter them, fix mistakes and post the draw. Books open at 7:30-8:30 and rope at 9:00 - then you close books on the rest of the ropings for the weekend when you get to about the 3rd round of the previous roping. It's not that hard to run 200+ teams per roping like this, and you're playing for far more $$ than most barrel races. Everything is cash or credit card. Those that enter earlier, get to go at the end (it's the best way to incentivise them to get their business tended to).
I've gone to many barrel races here in central north texas that are on site entries, enter till the last 25 or 50 and they run off over 300 entries a day. I HATE late entries and will often boycott producers that charge more than $10 per rider. It's a silly excuse with all the software/resources available that the have to be pre-entered to mange the draw.Â
Agreed!!! Add it up... late fees, office fees, tie-out/jump-out fees, non-member fees... lose your hat fees. I see both sides of the argument, but you're right. The technology is there. |
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| runs4fun - 2018-04-13 7:02 AM
 If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one.  I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them.
THANK YOU! This is exactly the point. |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | I don't know if I mind the fees as much as I dislike waiting all day. If I pre enter, I let work know ahead of time. |
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| IdahoBarrelRacer756 - 2018-04-13 1:10 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-13 7:02 AM If it weren’t for “late” fees, the majority of people would choose to enter late which simply would not allow the producers to have adequate pre-race time to do draws and everything else that goes with putting on a barrel race; especially a big one. I’m pretty sure that they would much prefer everyone enter early rather than make “extra” $$ off of late fees. To me it’s a no-brainer and I have no problem with them. THANK YOU! This is exactly the point.
Our producers are able to put on great reaces without charging late fees. The pre entry system lets them gage the numbers and helps the contestant know when they will run plus the option of walk up with no late fee. Every race I have been too the producers are well prepared, most know what numbers their races draw. |
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| We have been at some big races (500+ horses) and this particular producer doesn't charge ANY fees. Love them and I will support them as much as we can.
I understand the arguments of why to have them but I am sorry, I don't agree.
And yes, if I don't like races with late fees I have three choices, either pre enter, enter on site and pay the late fee and shut up or just don't go, I know I get that.
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Location: Nebraska | I would rather pay a late fee sometimes than pre enter weeks in advance. I like how some races close pre-entries the Tuesday or something before a weekend race. Then I have a good idea of whether or not I can attend.
What absolutely drives me nuts though is pre entry only exhibitions that sell out days ahead of a normal jackpot race. |
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Location: Arizona | Here's our local NBHA entry fee for this weekend's race. So many fee's I can't even figure out the entry form...lol!! Ridiculous! |
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Location: WI | I don't mind them within reason. I've been burned both ways. I prefer to pre-enter since I run a bleeder. I only see them up here on weekend races, not 1 day events. |
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