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Location: Idaho | Whats yalls opinions on purchasing a grade mare? The mare is out of registered stock but owner just never took the time to do paperwork. I know who she is by and out of....i would be purchasing her with the possibility of resale. She isn't going to make an NFR horse lol but a good solid 2d horse.  |
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Location: OH | The purchasing of a horse is the cheap part of the process ----get something with papers, you will do better in the long run. Sure, there is always gonna be that diamond in the rough and everyone will have their Grade Horse success stories, but papers matter when selling. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | For myself yes I would buy grade if they are what I want but planning to keep for me, but for resale no, papers talk...  |
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Location: Idaho | Im buying her for me....as of now.... but,i already have a buyer if shes not working for what i need but in case that falls thru i just wanted every ones opinions.  |
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| Unless I knew the horse it's whole life, no. I tried one that was supposed to be 17 he had "no papers" I found a lip tattoo, did some research and he was 25! |
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Location: South Georgia | I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
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| If I'm purchasing with resale in mind, papers matter. Especially with a mare. And even if you think you'll keep the horse forever, you always have to consider that you'll sell the horse at some point. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | I guess it depends. My first horse was an older unregistered mare and we never planning on breeding her, same with our next unregistered mare; we just rode them. To me I guess it just depends as what your eventually selling her as. I can see a lot of parents looking for a kids horse and not caring if the mare is registered or not. Same with trail riding people, they won't care.
Personally, I'd be tempted to if I liked the mare but wouldn't because of breeding reasons; but I guess it just depends on the mare. I'm a sucker for gutsy mares. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I would never purchase a grade horse. I don't care how good they get, they won't bring as much money as a registered horse of the same caliber. |
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Location: OH | cecollins0811 - 2018-04-18 12:45 PM I guess it depends. My first horse was an older unregistered mare and we never planning on breeding her, same with our next unregistered mare; we just rode them. To me I guess it just depends as what your eventually selling her as. I can see a lot of parents looking for a kids horse and not caring if the mare is registered or not. Same with trail riding people, they won't care. Personally, I'd be tempted to if I liked the mare but wouldn't because of breeding reasons; but I guess it just depends on the mare. I'm a sucker for gutsy mares.
Valid point on the kid market thing, bomb proof is all that matters and there is a market for them. |
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Location: TN | It don't recommend it, especially for a mare. Resale value is definitely decreased for grade geldings, but it is even worse for grade mares. If it's something for you to keep then go for it, but if you have any thought of possibly reselling don't do it. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I love grade horses.
You can't ride papers
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Location: on my horse | keep'nup - 2018-04-18 9:37 AM
Whats yalls opinions on purchasing a grade mare? The mare is out of registered stock but owner just never took the time to do paperwork. I know who she is by and out of....i would be purchasing her with the possibility of resale. She isn't going to make an NFR horse lol but a good solid 2d horse.
If she's running 2D times and you like her why not. She's already proven herself, horses are expensive no matter which way you turn it. I have a beautifully bred registered AQHA mare that is talented.... and has Navicular. Crap shoot either way lol. |
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Coyote Country Queen
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| I don't have any problem with grade horses, but they just don't carry the same value as registered horses. I have 3 grade horses in my barn right now. We never would have been able to afford the gelding had he been papered, because his dam died before she was DNA typed. So it worked out for us as buyers! The others are mares, a kid horse and an outside horse in for training. The problem with the outside horse is that the owners are going to have so much expense in training and feed/care, that they would be losing money if they decided to sell. |
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Location: Deep South | dianeguinn - 2018-04-18 11:49 AM
I would never purchase a grade horse. I don't care how good they get, they won't bring as much money as a registered horse of the same caliber.
Yep.
Purchasing the horse is the least expensive part of the process. Takes the same amount of money to feed/maintain one, takes the same amount of blood sweat/sweat/tears (time) to train one. I wouldn't want to start off knowing my efforts aren't going to bring as much money as if I had just bought a prospect with papers. |
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Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
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Location: OH | BamaCanChaser - 2018-04-18 1:27 PM dianeguinn - 2018-04-18 11:49 AM I would never purchase a grade horse. I don't care how good they get, they won't bring as much money as a registered horse of the same caliber. Yep. Purchasing the horse is the least expensive part of the process. Takes the same amount of money to feed/maintain one, takes the same amount of blood sweat/sweat/tears (time ) to train one. I wouldn't want to start off knowing my efforts aren't going to bring as much money as if I had just bought a prospect with papers.
That is what I was trying to say---you just said it MUCH BETTER. LOL |
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The One
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Location: South Georgia | redmansmyman11 - 2018-04-18 1:06 PM keep'nup - 2018-04-18 9:37 AM Whats yalls opinions on purchasing a grade mare? The mare is out of registered stock but owner just never took the time to do paperwork. I know who she is by and out of....i would be purchasing her with the possibility of resale. She isn't going to make an NFR horse lol but a good solid 2d horse. If she's running 2D times and you like her why not. She's already proven herself, horses are expensive no matter which way you turn it. I have a beautifully bred registered AQHA mare that is talented.... and has Navicular. Crap shoot either way lol.
But its when that 2D grade mare gets navicular (or something else) and cannot be managed that you end up screwed. |
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| horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM
I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding?
Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove.
Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't... |
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The One
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Location: South Georgia | stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
No, it is really no different with geldings, but with a mare there is always a sense of safety. If the mare is unsound, she can still be a broodmare. There is a bit more protection with a lame mare than there is a lame gelding. But, if the mare is grade, that protection that is often taken for granted and assumed is thrown out the window. |
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| horsegirl - 2018-04-18 1:39 PM
stayceem - 2018-04-18 3:21 PM horsegirl - 2018-04-18 11:17 AM I thought I had nothing to lose when I purchased a grade mare for a cheap price. I figured if I could sell her for $3,000 or $3500, then I'd be perfectly fine since I paid about half that to buy her. All was good and well until she become constantly lame. After pouring $5,000 in vet bills over one year, I ended up with an unregistered, unsound mare nobody wanted. My only option was to donate her to a breeding center as a recip mare. (See my 6 page post on here)
DO NOT DO IT.
I remember your post and I am still very sorry for your situation. However, is it really any different than a gelding? Here is my deal, I generally buy to keep and so if the price is right, the horse fits my style then I say go for it. Obviously I prefer papers in case something were to happen... but it can happen with a papered gelding. I have ridden a lot of grade horses in my life, all competitive and all worth their weight in gold. Sure, IF they went for sale, they sold much cheaper but if the horse is proven, papers are a lot less valuable. The whole point of papers is generally to set yourself up with the best recipe for a nice barrel horse. If they're already a nice one... then nothing to prove. Now if you plan on buying to sell and make money then I wouldn't...
But are all thoes mares fall into the safety net of simply having a registered uterus worth breeding?
I get what everybody says, you can always breed, but it a grade broke horse fits your wants and needs I would not hesitate to purchase, accidents can happen she could get crippled but Im just not one to just breed because I can't ride, so I do not even consider that. Just because they are registered does not instantly equal value as a brood mare.
And I have a yard full of old unsound retired horses what's one more (I get im lucky to have that and not everybody does) |
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