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| I have a horse very deficient in vitamin E. She was on stall rest and dry lotted for almost 2 years due to an injury. She is not a shedding very well, has a lack of muscle tone even with being riden and seems to have some muscle soreness. She's being treated. What are you your experiences with very low vitamin E in horses and recovery. I know it takes a while... |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I'm learning Vit E can really help a lot of things, but most feed throughs (not sure on vitamins) can take 30 days to get in the system. Have you done a chiro/massage? Audie was very body sore from his neck injury. I had him worked over that fall and again this spring before riding him. So far he is riding like a champ. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-21 7:29 PM I have a horse very deficient in vitamin E. She was on stall rest and dry lotted for almost 2 years due to an injury. She is not a shedding very well, has a lack of muscle tone even with being riden and seems to have some muscle soreness. She's being treated. What are you your experiences with very low vitamin E in horses and recovery. I know it takes a while...
Not to hijack your post but what treament plan is your horse on? Curious is all.  |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| thanks for the replies. I've done everything possible for this horse. I bought her a magnawave semi machine and she is chiro regularly. Her treatment plan consists of elevate ws liquid vitamin e from Kentucky Performance products. I'm to give 12 ml (6000 iu) for 2 moths then retest. She could be on a high dose up to 3 months. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | You can go as high as 10K daily and should see significant results in 6 weeks. Since your using the magnawave I would like to recommend you give your horse a descending dose of lactalex. |
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| What brand of Vitamin E is the best bang for your buck? |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2018-05-23 2:20 AM
You can go as high as 10K daily and should see significant results in 6 weeks. Since your using the magnawave I would like to recommend you give your horse a descending dose of lactalex.
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| Emily's Biggest Fan - 2018-05-23 11:27 AM
What brand of Vitamin E is the best bang for your buck?
look for natural vitamin e. Anything synthetic doesn't absorb as easily |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-23 11:58 AM
Emily's Biggest Fan - 2018-05-23 11:27 AM
What brand of Vitamin E is the best bang for your buck?
look for natural vitamin e. Anything synthetic doesn't absorb as easily
The body will also STORE the Natural E. When additional Vitamin E is needed, the body will pull the Natural Vit E from "storage". |
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Location: Willows, CA | There are a many forms of Vitamin E, and they are not created equal. Tocopherol is the most common, and is added to feeds, primarily as a preservative, because of its anti oxidant value. It is available in both natural and synthetic forms, with the natural form considered by most people to be more effective. Another form of Vitamin E is Tocotrienol. These tend to be much more potent and better absorbed. Some tocotrienols are 1000 times as effective as tocopherol. You can find tocotrienols in properly stabilized rice bran, rice oil and palm oil. MaxEglo, Natural Glo, and also in the stabilized rice bran used in Renew Gold which uses the same stabilization technology, will provide significant amounts of both natural tocopherol, and tocotrienols. Raw rice bran, or extended life rice bran that uses a different process and solvent extracted rice bran oil will not have either form of vitamin E in any significant amount because it is destroyed both by heat and the rapid rancidity that those both suffer from. Adding additional vitamin E in the form of tocopherol may be necessary in the horse that the OP is discussing. For a diet that uses properly stabilized rice bran and quality forage, additional supplementation of Vitamin E should not be necessary though horses is selenium deficient area may benefit from additional E.
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Location: West Texas | I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide).
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Sadly that is why mine is deficient. I live in Wisconsin and our winters are so long my horses don't see green grass from October to almost June. This horse hasn't been able to be on pasture since August 2016. She just went out to pasture for an hour for the first time since then today. With all other aspects of her injury vitamin e was unfortunately the last thing discussed. Unfortunately now with being deficient she has another thing being thrown at her... Vitamin e is very important and needs to be considered for any horse, no matter what activity level, that is not on the green grass. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Tdove - 2018-05-23 1:36 PM I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide).
I think this is the best answer to the OP's question.  |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 1:57 PM
Tdove - 2018-05-23 1:36 PM I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide).
I think this is the best answer to the OP's question.
I already knew vitamin e comes from green grass. This horse couldn't be on pasture due to an injury and long winters for almost 2 years. When you don't have access to green grass and your horse is stressed that is when you run into problems. The problem was since she wasn't and received normal amounts of vitamin e just in feed and her vitamin mineral topdress she became deficient. She is not shedding and is muscle sore. Since I already know about vitamin e I am asking what are people's experiences with deficient horses... Not where I get it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-23 2:05 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 1:57 PM Tdove - 2018-05-23 1:36 PM I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide). I think this is the best answer to the OP's question. I already knew vitamin e comes from green grass. This horse couldn't be on pasture due to an injury and long winters for almost 2 years. When you don't have access to green grass and your horse is stressed that is when you run into problems. The problem was since she wasn't and received normal amounts of vitamin e just in feed and her vitamin mineral topdress she became deficient. She is not shedding and is muscle sore. Since I already know about vitamin e I am asking what are people's experiences with deficient horses... Not where I get it.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 2:11 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-05-23 2:05 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-05-23 1:57 PM Tdove - 2018-05-23 1:36 PM I would consider the best and most absorbable vitamin E to be growing green pasture and fresh legume hay. If it is possible to add this, I feel that should be your first route (not to mention all of the other nutrients it will help provide). I think this is the best answer to the OP's question. I already knew vitamin e comes from green grass. This horse couldn't be on pasture due to an injury and long winters for almost 2 years. When you don't have access to green grass and your horse is stressed that is when you run into problems. The problem was since she wasn't and received normal amounts of vitamin e just in feed and her vitamin mineral topdress she became deficient. She is not shedding and is muscle sore. Since I already know about vitamin e I am asking what are people's experiences with deficient horses... Not where I get it.
She is on magnesium. My hay is alfalfa mixed. Alfalfa hay, cubes and pellets loose a significant amount of vitamin e like grass hay. Anything that isn't fresh forage is deficient. |
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| Just forget all of the magical supplements and feed a handful of this
each day … thrown in their feed ..
25# loose <$33/bag ..
MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS …
with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program
if horse needs more weight ..
add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn
If you want a blinding shine …
add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-05-24 3:00 PMJust forget all of the magical supplements and feed a handful of this each day … thrown in their feed .. 25# loose <$33/bag .. MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS … with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program if horse needs more weight .. add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn If you want a blinding shine … add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED If your horse is as deficient in vitamin e as mine they need an additional supplemental source to get their blood levels up quicker. Powdered vitamin e supplements can take close to 6 months. Either several hours of grass pasture or the water soluble liquid is the quickest according to my vet. Edited to add.... There is nothing wrong with my feed program. This is the case of a stressed horse due to recovering from an injury and no pasture for almost 2 years. I wish I would have had her on something extra but with all other aspects of her rehabilitation it was the last thought.
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-05-24 1:00 PM Just forget all of the magical supplements and feed a handful of this each day … thrown in their feed .. 25# loose <$33/bag .. MOORMANS GROSTRONG MINERALS … with whole oats and alfalfa as your base feeding program if horse needs more weight .. add 1/3 pound of chopped/rolled corn If you want a blinding shine … add a handful of WHOLE FLAX SEED
I remember when corn and corn oil was the way to go but, luckily we've learned a lot over the years about things called omega fatty acids. With it's high omega 6 (pro inflammatory) Corn is NOT something you want to feed for weight gain. Add calories and fat for that!
And I agree with what others have said when supplementation is needed, natural E is where it's at. And Elevate is a great product for that.
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| Another vote for the Elevate vitamin E.. I use the powder now for maintenance, but used the liquid when treating for EPM at higher doses. |
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