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| This horse has a tattoo, and did run on the track. QH. Her tattoo is unreadable :/ we cant read the first & last number. Can I send in hair? AQHA will have to have it on file....
This horse was sold through a very well known futurity trainer. He promised the papers and is not responding to messages anymore. It's kind of disheartening. This mare is proven, but getting up there in age. Papers are a must to breed her (for us). Any help is welcomed. | |
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| You might post a picture of the tattoo here, some folks are insanely good at reading them.
If you know who she is I would call AQHA and ask them what you can do - yes if you know who the horse is they should be able to verify DNA. I’m not sure how involved the previous owner will need to be in helping you get the papers though... | |
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| I have never had a problem with AQHA until this year. I bought a weanling filly that the breeder/owner had just sent the registration application in for. The guy had about 18 babies that he registered at one time and got the white markings wrong. I did the DNA test(pulled hair, signed, and sent in). I immediately got he papers back with the incorrect white markings. When I tried to correct them, AQHA thought I had substituted another horse after I had pulled the hair. It took 6 months, many phone calls and an act of congress to get the papers.
Many horses especially off the track are sold without papers. Unless you have a signed transfer there is probably no hope. If anyone could pick up a horse at a sale and get the papers from a tattoo, it would defeat the purpose of the transfer.
Another example, I was standing waiting for exhibitions at a large barrel race and overheard a professional trainer say that a horse she had trained had some lameness issues that she could not get fixed. The horse had her brand. She sold the horse in a sale as unsound and a trader picked the horse up. Horse was sold as a top barrel horse and the people traced the brand and called her wanting the papers. She was not too happy about that. She also said that would probably be the last horse she ever branded.
Edited to add that you might be able to find the last person the horse was registered to, if you can get the horse's name from the tattoo. Contact them. Have them apply for new papers. File transfers for the owners between you and the the last owner and you should be able to make things work.
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| So..... I called AQHA about the part of the tattoo that i CAN read and she's not even QH LOL. She's a TB. I mean I knew she would at least be appendix (due to how she's made) but that put a spin on things lol. I went to jockey club website and tried to pull her up based off the part I can read and 2 horses came up by it & her color/ markings and neither are her :/ I'm afraid this is a lost cause.
Also, spoke with AQHA on the DNA stuff and a lady told me I could get a genetic testing kit from UC Davis, send them hair, then send the results I get from them to AQHA for them to run it against their database and they would tell me the name & number of the horse if it had a match. I don't think this mare has ever had a foal, so I don't think that's going to help me now, but decent bit of info anyways. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller! | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller!
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Location: Oakdale, CA | Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-05 7:43 AM NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller! Agreed
I have seen this happen more than once..........................and one was ugly and they were upfront and honest..................................did not make any sense to me................. | |
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| NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM
My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller!
What’s wrong with trying? Just because someone bought it without papers doesn’t mean they can’t try to locate them. I don’t understand why you have such an issue with someone trying to find papers to a horse they own?
None of this pertains to the horse in question, I just don’t understand why you have your feathers ruffled over someone else trying to get papers on their horse. Maybe they wouldn’t have been able to afford the horse if it were papered... maybe papers didn’t matter to them then but do now... maybe they realized how hard it is to sell an unreg horse nowadays... could be lots of things but at the end of the day it’s not your horse, not your problem? | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-05 10:28 PM NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller! What’s wrong with trying? Just because someone bought it without papers doesn’t mean they can’t try to locate them. I don’t understand why you have such an issue with someone trying to find papers to a horse they own? None of this pertains to the horse in question, I just don’t understand why you have your feathers ruffled over someone else trying to get papers on their horse. Maybe they wouldn’t have been able to afford the horse if it were papered... maybe papers didn’t matter to them then but do now... maybe they realized how hard it is to sell an unreg horse nowadays... could be lots of things but at the end of the day it’s not your horse, not your problem?
WHY? Because you (not you personally but plural) bought a GRADE horse and, more than likely, at a DISCOUNT....THEN, you expect the AQHA, Jockey Club or past owners to jump through hoops to get you a REGISTERED horse. If you wanted or needed a registered horse then you should BUY a registered horse. Usually, there is a good reason that a horse is sold as "GRADE" (WITHOUT papers) ..... past owners don't want to be associated with said horse....said horse has mental or health problems ..... said horse is not fertile ..... said horse is NOT what it is advertised regarding training or competition ......Seller is a sleazy horse trader and never HAD papers .... etc, etc etc ...... | |
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My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller!
If a horse has a tattoo, then obviously it is not grade. This horse was never mentioned as being grade by the OP. I personally love researching bloodlines and backstories on horses, and have even mentioned to my husband more than once about why don't people try and do DNA tests more often to learn more about the horse they have under them. There's a wicked pole horse up here that the owners are breeding to a higher end stallion, but back in the day, they purchased her as grade and she was a typical "Rez pony". If she were mine, I would love to DNA test her and at least see what breed she is.
It might be an expensive endeavor, but if it's worth it to you as the owner, then I say keep trying! You could do the genetic test through UC Davis, or take a picture of the tattoo and see if someone at the JC can read it- or like was mentioned, post a picture on here and see if anyone can figure it out! Since the horse was promised to have papers, it might be in your interests to have a letter sent from your attorney to the seller, just politely asking for the papers as promised. Don't get nasty, but do let them know that you would like them to provide you with any information they may have. | |
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RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-05 10:28 PM NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller! What’s wrong with trying? Just because someone bought it without papers doesn’t mean they can’t try to locate them. I don’t understand why you have such an issue with someone trying to find papers to a horse they own? None of this pertains to the horse in question, I just don’t understand why you have your feathers ruffled over someone else trying to get papers on their horse. Maybe they wouldn’t have been able to afford the horse if it were papered... maybe papers didn’t matter to them then but do now... maybe they realized how hard it is to sell an unreg horse nowadays... could be lots of things but at the end of the day it’s not your horse, not your problem?
I don’t think asking AQHA or the jockey club to do the job they get paid to do is asking them to jump through hoops, but that’s just my OP.
And honestly... most horses are sold as grade because people are lazy and irresponsible. Not because it’s lame or crazy.
And like I mentioned before, what if papers weren’t important then, but are now? What if they aren’t a massive issue, but hey, why not see if we can get them... if all it took to get papers on a horse was a little leg work a person would be crazy not to do it.
Saying someone helping to locate papers on a horse that works at AQHA or the jockey club is like saying asking a waitress for ketchup is too much to ask.... it’s their J-O-B lol. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-04 6:39 AM This horse has a tattoo, and did run on the track. QH. Her tattoo is unreadable :/ we cant read the first & last number. Can I send in hair? AQHA will have to have it on file.... This horse was sold through a very well known futurity trainer. He promised the papers and is not responding to messages anymore. It's kind of disheartening. This mare is proven, but getting up there in age. Papers are a must to breed her (for us). Any help is welcomed.
When ever I buy a horse I want to see papers up front to see the bloodlines if I know I'm buying a register mare or gelding, but if they say they will get the papers I'll wait till I see the papers befor I buy. I want to know the bloodlines, theres a few lines I stay away from so if saying papered horse I want to see papers. Because when I pay for this horse papers will be coming home with me.. Now if I know its a non papered horse, I dont care.
So did you see the papers? To me if papers were a must I would not have bought this mare untill papers were in hand. I want proof of a register horse and how its bred. | |
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but AQHA is not going to give you any papers without the registered owner signing off on the transfer. That is assuming they would even attempt to find the papers.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-07 12:37 AM NJJ - 2018-06-06 8:36 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-05 10:28 PM NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller! What’s wrong with trying? Just because someone bought it without papers doesn’t mean they can’t try to locate them. I don’t understand why you have such an issue with someone trying to find papers to a horse they own? None of this pertains to the horse in question, I just don’t understand why you have your feathers ruffled over someone else trying to get papers on their horse. Maybe they wouldn’t have been able to afford the horse if it were papered... maybe papers didn’t matter to them then but do now... maybe they realized how hard it is to sell an unreg horse nowadays... could be lots of things but at the end of the day it’s not your horse, not your problem? I don’t think asking AQHA or the jockey club to do the job they get paid to do is asking them to jump through hoops, but that’s just my OP. And honestly... most horses are sold as grade because people are lazy and irresponsible. Not because it’s lame or crazy. And like I mentioned before, what if papers weren’t important then, but are now? What if they aren’t a massive issue, but hey, why not see if we can get them... if all it took to get papers on a horse was a little leg work a person would be crazy not to do it. Saying someone helping to locate papers on a horse that works at AQHA or the jockey club is like saying asking a waitress for ketchup is too much to ask.... it’s their J-O-B lol.
Its not AQHA's responsibility to keep up with all the owners papers, its not AQHA's fault that owners wont keep up with their own papers and then some owners lose papers, its the owners that are responsible for their papers, if you dont know the horses register number or the name of last said owners and papers are lost its not AQHA's fault. Its the seller's responsibility. If you bought this horse knowing papers were not in hand of the seller then dont blame AQHA or the JC for not being able to help you, the register number is very important in location of the horse in the AQHA's register directory. | |
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| In my instance, I bought a grade mare. I am happy to have her whether she has papers or not. I was not promised papers with her, and never expected them. I did try to figure out if she had them. I really just wanted to know her registered name or her bloodlines, as I only know what I have been told.
Found out after the fact, that she doesn't have papers because there was an issue with the mare owner not paying the stud fee. I still don't know the stud or the stud owner or bloodlines, but I know this mare is doing very very well, and the stallion owner might want to take some credit for her.
I would even be willing to settle up on the stud fee.
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In my instance, I bought a grade mare. I am happy to have her whether she has papers or not. I was not promised papers with her, and never expected them. I did try to figure out if she had them. I really just wanted to know her registered name or her bloodlines, as I only know what I have been told.
Found out after the fact, that she doesn't have papers because there was an issue with the mare owner not paying the stud fee. I still don't know the stud or the stud owner or bloodlines, but I know this mare is doing very very well, and the stallion owner might want to take some credit for her.
I would even be willing to settle up on the stud fee.
I just can't get any names.
How well is she doing?
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-07 10:46 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-07 12:37 AM NJJ - 2018-06-06 8:36 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-05 10:28 PM NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller! What’s wrong with trying? Just because someone bought it without papers doesn’t mean they can’t try to locate them. I don’t understand why you have such an issue with someone trying to find papers to a horse they own? None of this pertains to the horse in question, I just don’t understand why you have your feathers ruffled over someone else trying to get papers on their horse. Maybe they wouldn’t have been able to afford the horse if it were papered... maybe papers didn’t matter to them then but do now... maybe they realized how hard it is to sell an unreg horse nowadays... could be lots of things but at the end of the day it’s not your horse, not your problem? I don’t think asking AQHA or the jockey club to do the job they get paid to do is asking them to jump through hoops, but that’s just my OP. And honestly... most horses are sold as grade because people are lazy and irresponsible. Not because it’s lame or crazy. And like I mentioned before, what if papers weren’t important then, but are now? What if they aren’t a massive issue, but hey, why not see if we can get them... if all it took to get papers on a horse was a little leg work a person would be crazy not to do it. Saying someone helping to locate papers on a horse that works at AQHA or the jockey club is like saying asking a waitress for ketchup is too much to ask.... it’s their J-O-B lol.
It sounds like you’ve got your panties in a bunch over this. It is not AQHA’s responsibility to keep up with papers, but it is their job to assist AQHA members/owners in registration paper- related matters. I called them and ask them to answer registration and tattoo related questions. Is that in their job description? I did not ask the m to physically do anything for me or my situation.
(That’s like saying it’s not the waitresses fault you didn’t know you wanted ketchup when you ordered, but now you do, so get it yourself.)
I’m not “blaming” anybody for anything, just simply trying to see if I can locate the papers. I’m not getting upset with anyone for them not being in my hand. And both the AQHA and JC have been very helpful. I’m starting to be grateful (hopeful) you don’t work there 0.o
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Location: Kansas | RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-07 11:23 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-07 10:46 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-07 12:37 AM NJJ - 2018-06-06 8:36 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-05 10:28 PM NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller! What’s wrong with trying? Just because someone bought it without papers doesn’t mean they can’t try to locate them. I don’t understand why you have such an issue with someone trying to find papers to a horse they own? None of this pertains to the horse in question, I just don’t understand why you have your feathers ruffled over someone else trying to get papers on their horse. Maybe they wouldn’t have been able to afford the horse if it were papered... maybe papers didn’t matter to them then but do now... maybe they realized how hard it is to sell an unreg horse nowadays... could be lots of things but at the end of the day it’s not your horse, not your problem? I don’t think asking AQHA or the jockey club to do the job they get paid to do is asking them to jump through hoops, but that’s just my OP. And honestly... most horses are sold as grade because people are lazy and irresponsible. Not because it’s lame or crazy. And like I mentioned before, what if papers weren’t important then, but are now? What if they aren’t a massive issue, but hey, why not see if we can get them... if all it took to get papers on a horse was a little leg work a person would be crazy not to do it. Saying someone helping to locate papers on a horse that works at AQHA or the jockey club is like saying asking a waitress for ketchup is too much to ask.... it’s their J-O-B lol. It sounds like you’ve got your panties in a bunch over this. It is not AQHA’s responsibility to keep up with papers, but it is their job to assist AQHA members/owners in registration paper- related matters. I called them and ask them to answer registration and tattoo related questions. Is that in their job description? I did not ask the m to physically do anything for me or my situation. (That’s like saying it’s not the waitresses fault you didn’t know you wanted ketchup when you ordered, but now you do, so get it yourself. ) I’m not “blaming” anybody for anything, just simply trying to see if I can locate the papers. I’m not getting upset with anyone for them not being in my hand. And both the AQHA and JC have been very helpful. I’m starting to be grateful (hopeful ) you don’t work there 0.o
Complete a duplicate certificate form and submit the following to The Jockey Club: - Four (4) color photographs clearly indicating all identifying markings taken from the front, rear and both sides. If no identifying markings are present, please submit a fifth (5th) photograph of a close-up of the face indicating all cowlicks present
- Bill of sale from owner or other form of proof of ownership.
- Notarized statement from the owner or authorized agent describing in detail how the certificate of foal registration was lost or destroyed.
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RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-07 11:23 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-07 10:46 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-07 12:37 AM NJJ - 2018-06-06 8:36 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-05 10:28 PM NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller! What’s wrong with trying? Just because someone bought it without papers doesn’t mean they can’t try to locate them. I don’t understand why you have such an issue with someone trying to find papers to a horse they own? None of this pertains to the horse in question, I just don’t understand why you have your feathers ruffled over someone else trying to get papers on their horse. Maybe they wouldn’t have been able to afford the horse if it were papered... maybe papers didn’t matter to them then but do now... maybe they realized how hard it is to sell an unreg horse nowadays... could be lots of things but at the end of the day it’s not your horse, not your problem? I don’t think asking AQHA or the jockey club to do the job they get paid to do is asking them to jump through hoops, but that’s just my OP. And honestly... most horses are sold as grade because people are lazy and irresponsible. Not because it’s lame or crazy. And like I mentioned before, what if papers weren’t important then, but are now? What if they aren’t a massive issue, but hey, why not see if we can get them... if all it took to get papers on a horse was a little leg work a person would be crazy not to do it. Saying someone helping to locate papers on a horse that works at AQHA or the jockey club is like saying asking a waitress for ketchup is too much to ask.... it’s their J-O-B lol. It sounds like you’ve got your panties in a bunch over this. It is not AQHA’s responsibility to keep up with papers, but it is their job to assist AQHA members/owners in registration paper- related matters. I called them and ask them to answer registration and tattoo related questions. Is that in their job description? I did not ask the m to physically do anything for me or my situation. (That’s like saying it’s not the waitresses fault you didn’t know you wanted ketchup when you ordered, but now you do, so get it yourself. ) I’m not “blaming” anybody for anything, just simply trying to see if I can locate the papers. I’m not getting upset with anyone for them not being in my hand. And both the AQHA and JC have been very helpful. I’m starting to be grateful (hopeful ) you don’t work there 0.o Complete a duplicate certificate form and submit the following to The Jockey Club: - Four (4) color photographs clearly indicating all identifying markings taken from the front, rear and both sides. If no identifying markings are present, please submit a fifth (5th) photograph of a close-up of the face indicating all cowlicks present
- Bill of sale from owner or other form of proof of ownership.
 - Notarized statement from the owner or authorized agent describing in detail how the certificate of foal registration was lost or destroyed.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Chandler's Mom - 2018-06-08 5:55 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2018-06-08 3:28 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-07 11:23 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-07 10:46 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-07 12:37 AM NJJ - 2018-06-06 8:36 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-06-05 10:28 PM NJJ - 2018-06-05 9:03 AM My question has always been ....WHY do people buy a GRADE (being sold WITHOUT papers) horse and then expect to be able to get papers or get it registered? .... your problem is WITH the seller! What’s wrong with trying? Just because someone bought it without papers doesn’t mean they can’t try to locate them. I don’t understand why you have such an issue with someone trying to find papers to a horse they own? None of this pertains to the horse in question, I just don’t understand why you have your feathers ruffled over someone else trying to get papers on their horse. Maybe they wouldn’t have been able to afford the horse if it were papered... maybe papers didn’t matter to them then but do now... maybe they realized how hard it is to sell an unreg horse nowadays... could be lots of things but at the end of the day it’s not your horse, not your problem? I don’t think asking AQHA or the jockey club to do the job they get paid to do is asking them to jump through hoops, but that’s just my OP. And honestly... most horses are sold as grade because people are lazy and irresponsible. Not because it’s lame or crazy. And like I mentioned before, what if papers weren’t important then, but are now? What if they aren’t a massive issue, but hey, why not see if we can get them... if all it took to get papers on a horse was a little leg work a person would be crazy not to do it. Saying someone helping to locate papers on a horse that works at AQHA or the jockey club is like saying asking a waitress for ketchup is too much to ask.... it’s their J-O-B lol. It sounds like you’ve got your panties in a bunch over this. It is not AQHA’s responsibility to keep up with papers, but it is their job to assist AQHA members/owners in registration paper- related matters. I called them and ask them to answer registration and tattoo related questions. Is that in their job description? I did not ask the m to physically do anything for me or my situation. (That’s like saying it’s not the waitresses fault you didn’t know you wanted ketchup when you ordered, but now you do, so get it yourself. ) I’m not “blaming” anybody for anything, just simply trying to see if I can locate the papers. I’m not getting upset with anyone for them not being in my hand. And both the AQHA and JC have been very helpful. I’m starting to be grateful (hopeful ) you don’t work there 0.o
Complete a duplicate certificate form and submit the following to The Jockey Club:
- Four (4) color photographs clearly indicating all identifying markings taken from the front, rear and both sides. If no identifying markings are present, please submit a fifth (5th) photograph of a close-up of the face indicating all cowlicks present
- Bill of sale from owner or other form of proof of ownership.
- Notarized statement from the owner or authorized agent describing in detail how the certificate of foal registration was lost or destroyed.
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