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Location: Unfortunately OR | Looking for drills or what you do to get a horse changing leads between barrels.. |
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 Too Skinny
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | Are you able to perform a true lead change at a lope? If not are you able to que for the correct lead every time you ask them to lope off? |
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  Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | When starting one on the pattern, I over finish the first barrel a step by pushing their shoulder and hip back up under them. I their body nice and straight leaving. The way I train a horse is to turn at a point rather than round their body through the entire turn, so when they complete their turn point, their body and position is straight and ready to drop and leave. I want one changing their lead the first stride away from the first barrel. I also really ride deep through a turn and don't get ahead of my horse trying to make them leave. I wait on them to finish and pull me up out of a turn once they're to the point of cruising through. Here's an example of a horse that had about 45 days on the pattern. He was very efficient in figuring this out, but this is a good example of how I want one to position themselves and to leave a barrel and change leads at this point in their training. They all aren't this quick to pick it up, and some will change, then change back, but typically if I start them this way and ride them correctly, as finished horses they will revert back to changing right when leaving. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcW4Eyq9GU |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Great video 
I also like to turn with the outside rein and leg cue, this keeps the horse from over bending, helps them work off their hindquarters better so the are more balanced to swap leads |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | hotpaints - 2018-06-08 1:31 PM Great video
I also like to turn with the outside rein and leg cue, this keeps the horse from over bending, helps them work off their hindquarters better so the are more balanced to swap leads
Thanks. :) I don't use an outside leg or outside rein reinforcement until my leg is even with the barrel leaving. It's imperative that the turn point at each barrel is at the right spot when teaching a horse to leave straight bodied, otherwise you're going to drag down a whole lot of barrels if turn point is too early. I've sure made that mistake more than once! |
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Location: North Dakota | 3barrelsstanding - 2018-06-07 10:20 PM Looking for drills or what you do to get a horse changing leads between barrels..
I like taking them through the poles because it teaches them their "footwork" on swapping those leads.
As the horse needs, I will break them down to a trot between the first and second barrel and ask them for the other lead (or cue a flying change, if the horse is capable). But there comes a point when it's just time for the horse to figure it out themselves. Some are quicker than others on figuring that out.
But yes, make sure you are finishing that first barrel completely. That will help them to change easier.
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Location: Unfortunately OR | Ive never had one not pick it up after awhile..she knows the pattern well, and will pick up correct lead when I break her to a trot.. I've never had one just not get it.. I have tried just pushing her through but she will just turn 2nd and 3rd on the wrong lead.. |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | 3barrelsstanding - 2018-06-08 4:13 PM Ive never had one not pick it up after awhile..she knows the pattern well, and will pick up correct lead when I break her to a trot.. I've never had one just not get it.. I have tried just pushing her through but she will just turn 2nd and 3rd on the wrong lead..
Add momentum. Go fast enough that she can't turn on the incorrect lead and she'll at least have to change in front. She may not get it behind, but sometimes you have to speed things up to get the move you're looking for. |
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Location: Unfortunately OR | Thank you all for the help and ideas!!! |
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| Herbie - 2018-06-08 8:50 AM
When starting one on the pattern, I over finish the first barrel a step by pushing their shoulder and hip back up under them.  I their body nice and straight leaving. The way I train a horse is to turn at a point rather than round their body through the entire turn, so when they complete their turn point, their body and position is straight and ready to drop and leave. I want one changing their lead the first stride away from the first barrel. I also really ride deep through a turn and don't get ahead of my horse trying to make them leave. I wait on them to finish and pull me up out of a turn once they're to the point of cruising through.   Here's an example of a horse that had about 45 days on the pattern. He was very efficient in figuring this out, but this is a good example of how I want one to position themselves and to leave a barrel and change leads at this point in their training. They all aren't this quick to pick it up, and some will change, then change back, but typically if I start them this way and ride them correctly, as finished horses they will revert back to changing right when leaving. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcW4Eyq9GU
I love this video. I don't think i have ever seen that turn style. Could you explain your slow work to teach a horse the turn "point" instead of turning "around" the barrel? I love this idea. Looks like you go straight/ by the barrels, whoa, and almost rollback? |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Thank you, Roanie. I just try to get one holding their body position to the actual spot in which the direction change occurs for each barrel. For me it's more of an egg shape than an oval or cirle, and there is a spot at each barrel where I want them to actually change directions. I don't rate a horse in front of a barrel or even at the barrel in slow work. I want to encourage as much forward momentum through the turn and one specific turn point in the turn, which is at a different spot for each barrel. I don't know if that makes any sense or not, but basically I want a horse to get to the backside, get that hock underneath them and come back straight and hard. In order to do that, they have to get further into the turn before really coming back through themselves, otherwise you'll drag alot of barrels down leaving. |
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