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| Long story short, we have a yearling stud colt who was pulled off the ranch about 3 months ago. He is the most flighty/snorty thing you have ever seen. Never had human interaction until we got him. He managed to bang his head pretty good and take the hide off yesterday in his pen (he was playing and didn't stop fast enough before the pole.) We have been working with him on a daily basis but still cannot get within 5 feet of him without him taking off. I did speak with my vet today and all he recommneded was a calming paste, but I don't thing that is going to do the job.
We need to doctor his head but cannot get anywhere near him to do so. Any kind of injectable sedative is out of the question. Is there such thing as an oral sedative or maybe something all natural that will calm him enough we can inject?
I know there is the gel but we cant get close enough to get it under his tongue. |
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Location: South Georgia | I don't know of anything that would help you. The oral sedatives are kind of hit or miss because, at least with Dermosedan, you have to get it under the tongue just right. With your scenario, you wont have enough time to be sure it gets to the right spot. This sounds totally cowboy and I don't even own a rope, but could you rope him in the pen, or maybe surround him with panels so you can get close enough for an injection? |
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| Talk to your vet of course but you can always put a cc or so of ACE on some feed. Let him eat it and give it an hour. |
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Location: Oregon | Oxy Zen calmer is amazing!!! It's like Ace but is a natural alternative by Oxy-Gen. I use it on my boy - who is the jumpiest, flightiest horse - when there's fireworks, workers working in the field, combines in the fields, etc and it does the job for him. Love Zen! Any questions message me :) |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I live in ranch country and know of a lot of horses that never have human interaction until they are weaned or even as yearlings. They don't act like that, he is either kind of a hard case or is just learning he can freak and get away. My own aren't touched unless something goes wrong until they are 5-6 months old. I highly suggest having someone that knows about unhandled colts come work with him. Roping him and teaching him he can't get away and to give to pressure (do not think "choke down") will be the best thing for him. We rope ours and I teach them to take a step when there is pressure, never have them flip or freak out, but it is hard to explain over the internet. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Katie's - 2018-06-11 3:39 PM Oxy Zen calmer is amazing!!! It's like Ace but is a natural alternative by Oxy-Gen. I use it on my boy - who is the jumpiest, flightiest horse - when there's fireworks, workers working in the field, combines in the fields, etc and it does the job for him. Love Zen! Any questions message me :)
She cant touch/catch the horse, needs something to maybe put in feed to really knock the fight out of him, can you put this in feed? |
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Location: Oregon | Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-11 1:42 PM Katie's - 2018-06-11 3:39 PM Oxy Zen calmer is amazing!!! It's like Ace but is a natural alternative by Oxy-Gen. I use it on my boy - who is the jumpiest, flightiest horse - when there's fireworks, workers working in the field, combines in the fields, etc and it does the job for him. Love Zen! Any questions message me :) She cant touch/catch the horse, needs something to maybe put in feed to really knock the fight out of him, can you put this in feed?
Yep! It could just be added to the feed. All the Oxy products are super palatable so I've rarely heard of any horse not eating one of the products. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Do you have a chute that you can run him in? I'm with Flit I would put some ace in his feed.. OR
I would get him into a stock trailer and take him where you can run him into a chute and get a halter and long drag rope on him, and keep the halter and long drag rope on him at all times so that you can at least do a little work with him, but I do agree if you dont have the right type of place for him so you can work with him I would not keep him, but if were mine I would get that halter on him and get him gelded and handle him every single day. And I have a friend that did use ace on this type of horse, you could not catch him so added a bit of ace to his feed but got to do this when hes calm dont be chasing him to where hes all worked up, leave him along for awhile and see how he does from there. But really you need someone that knows what they are doing with this type of horse you can get hurt real quick or he could kill himself since hes a flighty fella. This horse needs a horseman that knows what he/she is doing, even if you have to pay someone to come help you it would be worth it.
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Location: WI | Yes, you have a few options. You can get Ace in powder form and pour on feed, that's stronger but only lasts a few hours. I used Reserpine (also available in powder form) for a horse that went bonkers on stall rest. He was tame though, I'm not sure it would be strong enough for what you are looking for. Reserpine is a long acting sedative - I gave about every 3 days. |
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If he is already upset and acting nuts …
DO NOT GIVE ANY ACE TO HIM …
ACE has a reverse action when a horse is already fighting you
and turns them into a panic stricken suicidal mess ….
It looks like he has already been cowboy'd and maybe pasture roped
to get him in a trailer …. so he is already panic stricken …
Clinton Anderson uses a common method to first teach a horse not to
climb your fence and put a calm well broke horse in with him to buddy
up with …
He has very good points to make and a step by step procedure …
If you get hurt .. you can only blame yourself for buying this horse
in the first place with your limited horsemanship skills …
My advice is get rid of it and spend more money to get you a calmer
horse …
HERE YOU GO … he can say it better than I can >>>>
https://youtu.be/oWU8YgIrNiY
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| Thank you tons for everyone that has replied, I will be trying Ace on his feed as well as looking into the oxy-gen paste.
Just a few touch points as I see where this is going.
-I am very well experienced, been around colts all my life he is just a special hard headed little one
-He's Playgun bred and I refuse to give up on him so selling to get something else is out of the question
-I have a mentor helping me with him as he has dealt with his fair share of wild ones
-We have cowboy'd him and took that better than we thought but will only focus on you for a few minutes before freaking himself out
-He has buddied up with my mare, they share a big pen but he is seperated into his own section of the pen
-He is flighty but has never tried to jump the fence or hurt us in anyway he simply just wants to run away from you
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Location: Oakdale, CA | wouldnt a vet have a dart gun to sedate him?? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kylee501 - 2018-06-11 5:23 PM Thank you tons for everyone that has replied, I will be trying Ace on his feed as well as looking into the oxy-gen paste.
Just a few touch points as I see where this is going.
-I am very well experienced, been around colts all my life he is just a special hard headed little one
-He's Playgun bred and I refuse to give up on him so selling to get something else is out of the question
-I have a mentor helping me with him as he has dealt with his fair share of wild ones
-We have cowboy'd him and took that better than we thought but will only focus on you for a few minutes before freaking himself out
-He has buddied up with my mare, they share a big pen but he is seperated into his own section of the pen
-He is flighty but has never tried to jump the fence or hurt us in anyway he simply just wants to run away from you
I wish you and this colt all the best, sounds like you might just have this all covered since you do have someone helping you out with him, he sounds like he needs a lot of hands on. Good luck,  |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-11 5:33 PM kylee501 - 2018-06-11 5:23 PM Thank you tons for everyone that has replied, I will be trying Ace on his feed as well as looking into the oxy-gen paste.
Just a few touch points as I see where this is going.
-I am very well experienced, been around colts all my life he is just a special hard headed little one
-He's Playgun bred and I refuse to give up on him so selling to get something else is out of the question
-I have a mentor helping me with him as he has dealt with his fair share of wild ones
-We have cowboy'd him and took that better than we thought but will only focus on you for a few minutes before freaking himself out
-He has buddied up with my mare, they share a big pen but he is seperated into his own section of the pen
-He is flighty but has never tried to jump the fence or hurt us in anyway he simply just wants to run away from you
I wish you and this colt all the best, sounds like you might just have this all covered since you do have someone helping you out with him, he sounds like he needs a lot of hands on. Good luck,
Thank you! He is the hardest colt I have dealt with. We will see what his future holds, he may become one that I have to cut my losses and let go or he may make something yet. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kylee501 - 2018-06-11 5:46 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-06-11 5:33 PM kylee501 - 2018-06-11 5:23 PM Thank you tons for everyone that has replied, I will be trying Ace on his feed as well as looking into the oxy-gen paste.
Just a few touch points as I see where this is going.
-I am very well experienced, been around colts all my life he is just a special hard headed little one
-He's Playgun bred and I refuse to give up on him so selling to get something else is out of the question
-I have a mentor helping me with him as he has dealt with his fair share of wild ones
-We have cowboy'd him and took that better than we thought but will only focus on you for a few minutes before freaking himself out
-He has buddied up with my mare, they share a big pen but he is seperated into his own section of the pen
-He is flighty but has never tried to jump the fence or hurt us in anyway he simply just wants to run away from you
I wish you and this colt all the best, sounds like you might just have this all covered since you do have someone helping you out with him, he sounds like he needs a lot of hands on. Good luck,
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2018-06-11 4:41 PM I live in ranch country and know of a lot of horses that never have human interaction until they are weaned or even as yearlings. They don't act like that, he is either kind of a hard case or is just learning he can freak and get away. My own aren't touched unless something goes wrong until they are 5-6 months old. I highly suggest having someone that knows about unhandled colts come work with him. Roping him and teaching him he can't get away and to give to pressure (do not think "choke down") will be the best thing for him. We rope ours and I teach them to take a step when there is pressure, never have them flip or freak out, but it is hard to explain over the internet.
I have a yearling filly that is like this and I consider her a hard case. We had to rope her down to treat an injured hock last fall. I am now going to bring in the same guy to sack her out. Tho she is somewhat handleable, she is also very prone to panicking and running off. I have seen horses roped down and sacked out a lot in the past but this guy made it look easy and stress free. I can't wait to see what he does with the sack out. For your colt I wouldn't try anything oral - either find someone who really understands how to rope one down or go with a dart gun. These panicky and flight based horses blow right through any light sedative. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | Katie's - 2018-06-11 4:39 PM Oxy Zen calmer is amazing!!! It's like Ace but is a natural alternative by Oxy-Gen. I use it on my boy - who is the jumpiest, flightiest horse - when there's fireworks, workers working in the field, combines in the fields, etc and it does the job for him. Love Zen! Any questions message me :)
I have to disagree. I've tried this product and had zero results.
I would try the Ace in the feed suggestion. |
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Location: MS | Silver Linings Keep Cool may help. It really takes the edge off and relaxes them.
You can give it everyday. May help him get out of the habit of acting like this. |
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| 1paintedjewel - 2018-06-12 8:05 AM Silver Linings Keep Cool may help. It really takes the edge off and relaxes them.
You can give it everyday. May help him get out of the habit of acting like this.
I was looking into this yesterday and seemed like a good option to try and take the edge off on a daily basis. Thank you! |
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Location: Oregon | fulltiltfilly - 2018-06-12 5:12 AM Katie's - 2018-06-11 4:39 PM Oxy Zen calmer is amazing!!! It's like Ace but is a natural alternative by Oxy-Gen. I use it on my boy - who is the jumpiest, flightiest horse - when there's fireworks, workers working in the field, combines in the fields, etc and it does the job for him. Love Zen! Any questions message me :) I have to disagree. I've tried this product and had zero results.
I would try the Ace in the feed suggestion.
Isn’t that funny how one product can work for some horses and not others? It has literally been a LIFESAVER for me! |
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