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Please share info on cribbing.
Day 1 & Day 14. I am soooo happy with her progress. I am sooo tired of seeing ribs
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | A friend bought a cribber not knowing this animal was going to eat her barn.. Called the seller and "demanded" her money back. I would have done exactly the same thing even if it came to hiring an attorney. Cribbing is a terrible habit and you need to be honest about it when you sell a horse. I'm not a big fan of this "buyer beware" baloney.
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| Do you mean wind sucking or fence chewing?
People use cribbing so interchangeably Im Not sure what one you mean...
The best horse I own is a terrible windsucker .... You couldn't come up with enough money to get her from me lol. Never once has she thought another horse and I have babies every year, even her own foal who's 7. She needs regular dental work .... But don't they all...
The nondisclosure is not OK but I can manage it well very easily here. |
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| If the horse is truly wind sucking, it’s usually caused by pain issues with hind gut ulcers being at the top of the list. But once they start, it can be next to impossible to stop even if you cure the original cause. They basically are almost like a drug addict that needs a fix. |
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| She bites the panel and sucks air |
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Location: Kansas | RoaniePonie11 - 2018-07-01 1:25 PM She bites the panel and sucks air
She's a cribber. They are also destructive to wood panels and posts. I know. I had one. Whether or not you're willing to put up with a cribber depends on how much you like the horse. |
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| Disclosure and lying about it are 2 different things, imo. The seller can disclose what they please, they technically don’t have to tell you anything if you’re willing to write the check based on what you know about the horse.
If you asked if the horse cribbed or wind sucked or had bad habits and they said no...that’s a different story.
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| I have a cribber, he had had surgery fir cribbing and did not crib for the first 2 years of owning him. A very wet winter, he was up a lot and he started cribbing. He has been treated for stomach ulcers and hind gut ulcers a couple of times, gets nothing but alfalfa and still cribs. He is a mild cribber, only does it for a few minutes after eating. I only put a collar on him if he has to stay stalled. |
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| OhMax - 2018-07-01 2:13 PM
Disclosure and lying about it are 2 different things, imo. The seller can disclose what they please, they technically don’t have to tell you anything if you’re willing to write the check based on what you know about the horse.
If you asked if the horse cribbed or wind sucked or had bad habits and they said no...that’s a different story.
1. This sounds shady to me. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I did this to someone.
2. I got told over and over the horse didn’t have any bad habits. |
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Location: Upstate New York | Sometimes just turning them out and not stalling them will solve the issue. That worked with my husbands rope horse. Had another good horse that cribbed. He would suck wind on anything, even tied to trailer. We bought a Miracle collar, put it on him TIGHT and no more issues. Good luck. Like others said, depends on how much you like the horse.
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Location: Canada | Okay now before you flame the seller - did they have electric fences only? Did the horse ever come into a barn? If the answer is no to both of those then they seller may not have know the horse was a cribber. If the answer is no, they were in post and rail and stalled in a barn... then light the torches cause they lied.
If the horse is a cribber you can try treating for ulcers, and keeping a crib collar on them and keep them turned out as much as possible. Unfortunately only a rare few ever stop, most once they start are cribber for life. |
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Location: Kansas | A really dedicated cribber will crib on anything. I was keeping one for a couple of days for someone, took his collar off (the collars are disgusting) and he tried to crib on my arm. Water tubs, tanks, feeders, tree limbs, tree trunks, you name it. It's an addiction that I never really connected with health problems. It's an endorphin thing. |
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Location: my piece of paradise | Cribbing is not a deal breaker for me. I personally will choose the one who cribs. Every cribber I have had has been a heck of a horse. They are smarter IMO. I just make sure I stay on top of ulcers and gut issues with them. As a seller I would disclose that they were cribbers, but there are no rules or laws saying what a seller has to disclose. Buying and selling is all about how well you can play the game... although I do think most decent human beings would be honest about what they are selling. |
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| I sold a colt once who had never even nibbled a fence at my place. A year later a lady called me trying to sue because he had started destroying her fence and barn. Found out he was being underfed and kept alone - so boredom and lonliness won out and he started chewing. But it was chewing, he wasn't sucking.
I had one come home from the trainer wanting to crib. I have vinyl fencing so it's tough to get a grip for that but he learned to use the gate posts that were wood. We covered them with a metal cap. He tried to crib for a year or two and then gave it up. I feel very lucky that he did because I know it is an addiction. |
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| inittowinit - 2018-07-02 7:14 AM Cribbing is not a deal breaker for me. I personally will choose the one who cribs. Every cribber I have had has been a heck of a horse. They are smarter IMO. I just make sure I stay on top of ulcers and gut issues with them. As a seller I would disclose that they were cribbers, but there are no rules or laws saying what a seller has to disclose. Buying and selling is all about how well you can play the game... although I do think most decent human beings would be honest about what they are selling.
I am in agreement with this ^^^ I have a cribber and he is a very nice horse, and I would have a hard time selling him! |
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Location: Illinois | I have one that would rather crib than eat his food most of the time, he's worn his front teeth to the gums. He doesn't do well with a collar & will still crib through it anyway. Tried everything and Crib Guard from Big Dee's actually completely stops him. When you spray it, it will choke you out though lol. First time I sprayed it I got a wiff and tossed my cookies right in his stall. He won't go near anything I spray with it & it lasts a couple weeks before I have to spray again. I just do his stall, he can crib outside as I don't treat it with anything. But we put oak boards on top of the fence rails & he can't do any damage to those. He's been doing it for 10 years, he's not going to ever stop |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2018-07-01 11:13 AM
Seller did not disclose.
Please share info on cribbing.
Did you talk with the seller after you noticed this? If not I would suggest starting there.
Also maybe try a slow feeder net, some horses crib due to belly pain, and maybe he/she is used to eating as needed not at set times. |
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| Hi guys. Not sure if anyone cared for an update... good news is a really like the horse. So I contacted the seller and got the “oh I thought I told you.” Anywho I expressed how not happy I was but in all honesty I like the horse enough to keep her. Because she started cribbing only when I grained her and she looks poor IMO, I immediately started her on ulcer meds and took her off feed. She’s on alfalfa cubes, grass, grass hay, and baled alfalfa. I put stabilized flax seed/rice bran (1 cup) in her alfalfa cubes with her MVP. It’s only been a few days and she looks 100% better. She did not crib yesterday during dinner praise Jesus... I’m really hoping it’s a pain response and fixing the ulcers and sticking forage in front of her will fix it. I did take her out of a bucket on the fence and put her in a feeder on the ground. I took the cribbing collar off because it rubbed her over the weekend :/ I will need to order one that’s lined for when we go over night and she HAS to be in a stall. I have this tiny glimmer of hope there is a new horse on the other side of the ulcers. |
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| Oh, I am so glad that she is responding so well. I hope things go well and I am glad you updated us. |
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| RoaniePonie11 - 2018-07-01 5:01 PM
OhMax - 2018-07-01 2:13 PM
Disclosure and lying about it are 2 different things, imo. The seller can disclose what they please, they technically don’t have to tell you anything if you’re willing to write the check based on what you know about the horse.
If you asked if the horse cribbed or wind sucked or had bad habits and they said no...that’s a different story.
1. This sounds shady to me. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I did this to someone.
2. I got told over and over the horse didn’t have any bad habits.
Oh I agree - as a seller I probably want to over share more often than not, I want to see a horse go to a good well matched home, and stake my reputation on it. Not every seller is open and honest and as a buyer sometimes we have to ask every single question carefully and look for clues - like chew marks on wood if the horse was tried at its home stable or wear patterns on teeth.
If you asked about bad habits I would say the seller thought she would lose the sale if she disclosed the cribbing - I don’t know of anyone, whether they are ok with cribbing or not, who wouldn’t consider it a “bad” habit.
I’m glad you seem to be making headway on it though! Sometimes great horses just need to find the right person who is willing to take extra steps outside the box to give them the individual care they need. I hope she turns out to be a bang up horse for you :) |
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