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| To start, looking back I should have seen the red flags and not have gone through with the deal.
I recently traded a very nicely bred colt off for a 3yo mare, the colt was not halter broke and a flightly little guy. I made this person very aware of him and everything about him I disclosed, there was nothing left out or any unanswered questions. The morning of the trade before we even headed out she claimed that her papers were at her inlaws and she would need to overnight them to me, mind you I never saw a picture of the actual papers during the whole discussion of trade. I worked around her schedule and turned down several other people becuase I decided on the mare she had. Upon us getting there they wanted to keep him in our stud wall and try to get a halter on him, he was not having it so we unloaded, traded and headed out. Less than 24 hours later they had a halter on him and leading him around, really blew my mind as we have worked and worked with him on that.
Now onto yesterday, (we traded on Sunday) she messaged me saying she thinks he is blind in his left eye, the colt did not have any haze or blind look to it. He would work both ways in the round pen, literally see you from any direction you came from. Has never acted blind in that eye and it would have never even crossed my mind that he was. She is now saying she can no longer to the deal and would like the mare back. Okay, that's fair but should I have a vet here confirm that he is blind or not?! Would you take the colt back and give the mare back without a vet opinion? I'm kinda at a loss on what to do and how to handle the situation. I'm afriad something may have happened when they were getting a halter on him and he will not be coming back in the same shape I traded him off as.
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| This is the colt that had the cut on his forehead, correct? Maybe he is so flighty because he lacks some eyesight? I really dislike trade deals because it always seems to benefit one over the other. Tough call, but I think I'd keep the mare if I were you. A deal is a deal, and they could have had the colt examined before the trade. |
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| If you did not get the papers I would be hauling right back over there. Take the baby straight to the vet and let him check the eye. If the needs to tranq him let him do that. If paperwork is not in order and in my hand I move on. I bought. Horse without a Coggins but paperwork was in order. It is against the law to sell without Coggins n TX. If I was a ****head I could have turned her in. I decided she was just dumb. Gotta love it when someone thinks they are a big horse dealer. |
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| Meep.Meep - 2018-07-03 1:03 PM This is the colt that had the cut on his forehead, correct? Maybe he is so flighty because he lacks some eyesight? I really dislike trade deals because it always seems to benefit one over the other. Tough call, but I think I'd keep the mare if I were you. A deal is a deal, and they could have had the colt examined before the trade.
Yes this is the same colt. That could be true, but deep down I really have strong opinion he is not blind. I just don't see how he could be. She is now saying she will keep him but would need cash on the mare. I have sold horses for years now, but this type of situation is new to me never had anything like this.
I agree with you, if this was a problem she could have had him vet checked before we did the deal or just said no deal when we met up, but this colt has no haze or anything in the eye. Again agreeing with you a deal is a deal, but also trying to keep her and I happy. |
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| They don't have to have a haze or a cloud to be blind or partially blind. I used to ride a horse that couldn't be tied because he'd get scared and pull back, he was blind in one eye and partially in the other. Looking at him you'd never have known it. I'd probably just give the cash, get the papers and move on. Lesson learned, even in a trade deal vet checks are a good idea. |
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| streakysox - 2018-07-03 1:11 PM If you did not get the papers I would be hauling right back over there. Take the baby straight to the vet and let him check the eye. If the needs to tranq him let him do that. If paperwork is not in order and in my hand I move on. I bought. Horse without a Coggins but paperwork was in order. It is against the law to sell without Coggins n TX. If I was a ****head I could have turned her in. I decided she was just dumb. Gotta love it when someone thinks they are a big horse dealer.
Agreed as well I should have never gone through with the deal when she told me that on Sunday morning. 9 times out of 10 that means papers really don't exist. Should have seen it, looking back that is my regret. There is absolutley and I mean ZERO way this colt is blind. I have had 5 people around him and work with him just because they wanted to in the past month and they all agree the colt is not blind in the left eye theres just no way.
While we were doing the trade she just bragged the whole time about her selling 40-50k horses. I am very professional with the way I handle my sales/trades but this person is blowing my mind.
She is now saying she is willing to keep the colt, but would need cash for the mare. |
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I'd need a mutually agreed upon vet's opinion. But you must be willing to accept that opinion. |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | I sold a mare and got a colt as partial trade that ended up having ocd lesions. When original owner found out he needed surgery they offered to return as is or pay some towards the surgery. I think with good people deals can be done correctly but its always a risk. They could have said too bad but they offered what they felt was fair and I agreed. Good luck! |
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Location: Oklahoma | If you do decide to give her cash for the mare I would say not til you have the papers and who to say if he is blind it didn't happen after you left him! How much cash she talking about? This might have been a setup. If she had called you the day of or when you was pulling out of drive mayyybee. But sounds fishy to me! |
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Location: Claremore, OK | Maybe that’s part of the reason he’s so flighty ? He’d be extra scared if he didn’t see well. |
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| At least hes halter broke now lol 
Its possible you cant tell my blind mare is blind in the round pen or pasture, and being he was not halter broke abd had a good check over he very well could have vision issues. |
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| Turnburnsis - 2018-07-03 2:48 PM If you do decide to give her cash for the mare I would say not til you have the papers and who to say if he is blind it didn't happen after you left him! How much cash she talking about? This might have been a setup. If she had called you the day of or when you was pulling out of drive mayyybee. But sounds fishy to me! She's talking like $3k cash for the mare on top of the colt this mare is just a 3yo with only 30 days, just because he's "blind in one eye and will never be 100%" The more I think about it, it really seems to be a setup of some sort. There is a reason she didn't give the the papers to the mare when trading.
As in my original post I'm afriad something did happen in the time they got a halter on him and may have caused an issue. I would like my vet to look at him as well. This all started after I sent my address to her at noon yesterday so she could overnight me the papers, she did not respond until 8pm stating he was blind ect....
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| della - 2018-07-03 2:50 PM At least hes halter broke now lol Its possible you cant tell my blind mare is blind in the round pen or pasture, and being he was not halter broke abd had a good check over he very well could have vision issues.
Lol no kidding!
I do agree with you, he very well might be but I will for sure be having my vet look him over top to bottom and see what he says. |
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| Liana D - 2018-07-03 2:49 PM Maybe that’s part of the reason he’s so flighty ? He’d be extra scared if he didn’t see well.
Could be, but I have never seen any signs of vision issues. He does no tilt his head at all, will load right in and out of the trailer. Work both ways in the round pen with no head tilt. It puzzles me. |
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Location: Canada | How far away are you from them? |
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| RunNitroRun - 2018-07-03 3:21 PM How far away are you from them?
About 5 1/2-6 hours. |
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Location: IL | So question....what is the mare like? The one you traded for? Is she what the seller claimed her as? Is she a nice horse? I don't know if I would trade back, but lesson learned. I would have waited until the lady had the mare's papers in hand. |
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| merdth6 - 2018-07-03 3:34 PM So question....what is the mare like? The one you traded for? Is she what the seller claimed her as? Is she a nice horse? I don't know if I would trade back, but lesson learned. I would have waited until the lady had the mare's papers in hand.
If her breeding is really what the girl claims her to be she will make a nice horse, but right now you can't even get her to walk up to you. She super jumpy and ass grabby. Claims to have 30 days, but will set back if you just look at her. Haven't been on her yet but im sure it will be a rodeo. |
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She now wants to buy the colt outright for way less than I was asking and come pick up the mare. I'm so puzzled by this whole deal. |
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Location: Canada | You delivered the first time, tell her to bring the gelding back and pick up the mare. You traded a registered gelding who you knew was quirky for essentially a grade mare who sounds equally as quirky and may be worse.
There is a so many red flags I'd be trading back and quick. Something is wrong with this person so I'd quickly make arrangements to undo this deal and then contact the previously interested parties and let them know he's available for sale.
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