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| My gelding got sore on his left side after a run one day. Limping on his left hind. Made a vet app and he got hocks and stifles injected and we treated him for EPM. And for some odd reason he gave him a windstraw injection. A week later I had him chiroed and his left hip was way high. I stayed off him for 2 weeks before I got back on him and no change. Still did not want to engage his rear end....working off his front end and hitting so hard I was lifted out of the saddle. I called said vet I took him too and waited for 6 days for a call back...never got it. Took him to another vet. Extensive lameness exam and sure enough still off on left hind. Xray his back feet and he was sitting to low in back...he got acupuncture and acupuncture injections in his hind end. They did block the foot and stifle...he was better going in circles but still off on straight away. Was told to put hind shoes on which I did. Got on him yday after a week of rest from last vet visit and no change. Does not want to use his butt. He is sore in that hip and high again on it. Called vet back today and was told to put him on Bute for 5 days to see if it's a pain issue...well I know he is in pain. I'm so upset and disappointed. Any advice would be helpful. I won't disclose vets name on this thread but will answer any pm's. The first vet I went to because I could not get into my regular one I use. Sorry so long...im just beat down and broke now. My gelding is 15. TIA
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| halter_ego - 2018-09-04 12:00 PM
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| Maybe his muscles are still tight and they're continuing to pull his hip out? Maybe looking into massage to loosen it up and then adjust again? Just spit-balling ideas... |
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| I have been massaging him. We are suppose to get adjusted tonight again. Thank you for the input. I appreciate it . He is super tight in the hip.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I would worry about a pelvic injury, even a mild one involving ligaments. Time off, massage/chiro and inject that SI area to relieve soreness. Mesotherapy is wonderful too. Might even rest in a small pen. I had a gelding break his pelvis and NEVER knew. He was in pasture for the winter and I saw them daily when I broke their tank open and cleared the ice every morning. Found out when I started to haul him again and he wouldn't finish his 2nd barrel.
My show horse has chronic back and SI soreness and is higher on the right side. We have looked at every joint/feet issue there could be and find nothing. We guess it happened when he was being started under saddle. Must have had a wreck with all the other things that guy did wrong. I massage/stretch and lunge to limber him up before I ride. I am going to inject his SI twice next season and see if he can hold out for a show year. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2018-09-04 12:12 PM
I would worry about a pelvic injury, even a mild one involving ligaments. Time off, massage/chiro and inject that SI area to relieve soreness. Mesotherapy is wonderful too. Might even rest in a small pen. I had a gelding break his pelvis and NEVER knew. He was in pasture for the winter and I saw them daily when I broke their tank open and cleared the ice every morning. Found out when I started to haul him again and he wouldn't finish his 2nd barrel.
My show horse has chronic back and SI soreness and is higher on the right side. We have looked at every joint/feet issue there could be and find nothing. We guess it happened when he was being started under saddle. Must have had a wreck with all the other things that guy did wrong. I massage/stretch and lunge to limber him up before I ride. I am going to inject his SI twice next season and see if he can hold out for a show year.Â
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Location: Texas | I think you mean winstrol instead of windstraw
So what i would do is i would start from the foot up with blocking... and I would do a peroneal tibial nerve block. If it’s above the hock he shouldn’t improve after the block, but should if it’s below.
It’s really hard to prove hip pain in a horse, and not much you can do about it other than rest and alternative medicine.
A bone scan may be helpful if you’re really convinced it’s in the hip and not elsewhere.
What meds did you use for the EPM treatment? Did your vet think he looked neurologic?
Also, if there’s like a 60-70% improvement after a stifle block we consider that a successful block. There’s so many components to stifle pain that aren’t articular you rarely get 100% improvement even if you’re dang convinced the problem is within the joint pouch you’re blocking.
It’s also possible that if there is some sort of hip Injury, it’s going to take a long time to improve. |
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| casualdust07 - 2018-09-04 2:56 PM
I think you mean winstrol instead of windstraw
So what i would do is i would start from the foot up with blocking... and I would do a peroneal tibial nerve block. If it’s above the hock he shouldn’t improve after the block, but should if it’s below.
It’s really hard to prove hip pain in a horse, and not much you can do about it other than rest and alternative medicine.
A bone scan may be helpful if you’re really convinced it’s in the hip and not elsewhere.
What meds did you use for the EPM treatment? Did your vet think he looked neurologic?
Also, if there’s like a 60-70% improvement after a stifle block we consider that a successful block. There’s so many components to stifle pain that aren’t articular you rarely get 100% improvement even if you’re dang convinced the problem is within the joint pouch you’re blocking.
It’s also possible that if there is some sort of hip Injury, it’s going to take a long time to improve.
They did block him. As I said he was better in a circle but on the straightaway he was still off. The vet told me I should just treat him for EPM and not waste the Money on the test. Excuse my spelling...i had never even heard of this shot nor do I want my guy to have another one. EPM med was Diclazuril 8.3%...Levaminsole 3% and vitamin E 10,000 IU. He is high on his left hip. You can see it from the back clearly and I can see it standing at his side also. Well I'm sad to think I might be off him for a while. I am a sponsor in a barrel race for childhood cancer awareness and it is this weekend. It is close to my heart since my baby girl battled cancer at the age of 7. Thank you for your input. Are you a vet? Yes you are a vet. The stifles also had fluid on them...vet said prob secondary to where the pain is.
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| quickdraw - 2018-09-04 5:58 PM
Bless your heart. It sounds like there has been much speculation and it is costing you a fortune. If one hip is high and they are not addressing that, they are dropping the ball. Has he rotated his pelvis or broke his pelvis? That needs to be determined. In the vets defense I know it is difficult and sometimes impossible to pinpoint a deep hip injury. That is a large area they can't go deep enough into. I would xray his pelvis before going any farther and inject his SI. I would put him on methacarbonal to relax his muscles and keep him on anti-inflammatories for a total of 7-10 days. (Aloe vera juice on his feed to help combat ulcers.) I'm not a vet but I had a 3 yr old that was hurt really bad in a freak accident and it was obvious he had severe damage deep in his hip but they never could determine exactly what all was torn up. I ended up having to put him down after trying everything for 11 months. (long story) When all else fails, if a horse is hurt and the vets can't figure it out, turn them out for a year and let them heal on their own. If it doesn't heal in a year, it most likely never will no matter what modalities are used. Good Luck and hang in there. I know how you feel.
Thank you. It has been really disappointing and expensive for a poor gal. I hope they can fix him. He is 15 so he isn't young. |
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Location: Texas | mmfarms - 2018-09-04 4:47 PM
casualdust07 - 2018-09-04 2:56 PM
I think you mean winstrol instead of windstraw
So what i would do is i would start from the foot up with blocking... and I would do a peroneal tibial nerve block. If it’s above the hock he shouldn’t improve after the block, but should if it’s below.
It’s really hard to prove hip pain in a horse, and not much you can do about it other than rest and alternative medicine.
A bone scan may be helpful if you’re really convinced it’s in the hip and not elsewhere.
What meds did you use for the EPM treatment? Did your vet think he looked neurologic?
Also, if there’s like a 60-70% improvement after a stifle block we consider that a successful block. There’s so many components to stifle pain that aren’t articular you rarely get 100% improvement even if you’re dang convinced the problem is within the joint pouch you’re blocking.
It’s also possible that if there is some sort of hip Injury, it’s going to take a long time to improve.
They did block him. As I said he was better in a circle but on the straightaway he was still off. The vet told me I should just treat him for EPM and not waste the Money on the test. Excuse my spelling...i had never even heard of this shot nor do I want my guy to have another one. EPM med was Diclazuril 8.3%...Levaminsole 3% and vitamin E 10,000 IU. He is high on his left hip. You can see it from the back clearly and I can see it standing at his side also. Well I'm sad to think I might be off him for a while. I am a sponsor in a barrel race for childhood cancer awareness and it is this weekend. It is close to my heart since my baby girl battled cancer at the age of 7. Thank you for your input. Are you a vet? Yes you are a vet. The stifles also had fluid on them...vet said prob secondary to where the pain is.
Yeah that’s unfortunate for sure. I do agree with the not testing for EPM because there’s such a grey area with the testing anyway. The meds you used were good, I like that combination.
It sounds like you’ve got a frustrating case for sure. All of your bases were covered pretty much other than ultrasounding your suspensories. I would be scratching my head too if there was no improvement after everything you’ve done.
I feel your pain on the time off. My 4yo filly this year started the year phenomenally. She was winning three saddles where I run, open 1D, Adult 1D, and novice horse. Out of the blue she somehow ended up with bone edema in her front feet and I’ve been off her since May. She had won the last two races I went to...hit a barrel to break a record at another. I did the MRI and everything. And she’s just healing slow. Slower than they thought. I was supposed to be back on her and it’s looking like she needs another month or two at least. We definitely lost the novice saddle, but I’m on another horse who’s keeping my head above water for the other two.
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casualdust07 - 2018-09-04 2:56 PM
I think you mean winstrol instead of windstraw
So what i would do is i would start from the foot up with blocking... and I would do a peroneal tibial nerve block. If it’s above the hock he shouldn’t improve after the block, but should if it’s below.
It’s really hard to prove hip pain in a horse, and not much you can do about it other than rest and alternative medicine.
A bone scan may be helpful if you’re really convinced it’s in the hip and not elsewhere.
What meds did you use for the EPM treatment? Did your vet think he looked neurologic?
Also, if there’s like a 60-70% improvement after a stifle block we consider that a successful block. There’s so many components to stifle pain that aren’t articular you rarely get 100% improvement even if you’re dang convinced the problem is within the joint pouch you’re blocking.
It’s also possible that if there is some sort of hip Injury, it’s going to take a long time to improve.
They did block him. As I said he was better in a circle but on the straightaway he was still off. The vet told me I should just treat him for EPM and not waste the Money on the test. Excuse my spelling...i had never even heard of this shot nor do I want my guy to have another one. EPM med was Diclazuril 8.3%...Levaminsole 3% and vitamin E 10,000 IU. He is high on his left hip. You can see it from the back clearly and I can see it standing at his side also. Well I'm sad to think I might be off him for a while. I am a sponsor in a barrel race for childhood cancer awareness and it is this weekend. It is close to my heart since my baby girl battled cancer at the age of 7. Thank you for your input. Are you a vet? Yes you are a vet. The stifles also had fluid on them...vet said prob secondary to where the pain is.
Yeah that’s unfortunate for sure. I do agree with the not testing for EPM because there’s such a grey area with the testing anyway. The meds you used were good, I like that combination.
It sounds like you’ve got a frustrating case for sure. All of your bases were covered pretty much other than ultrasounding your suspensories. I would be scratching my head too if there was no improvement after everything you’ve done.
I feel your pain on the time off. My 4yo filly this year started the year phenomenally. She was winning three saddles where I run, open 1D, Adult 1D, and novice horse. Out of the blue she somehow ended up with bone edema in her front feet and I’ve been off her since May. She had won the last two races I went to...hit a barrel to break a record at another. I did the MRI and everything. And she’s just healing slow. Slower than they thought. I was supposed to be back on her and it’s looking like she needs another month or two at least. We definitely lost the novice saddle, but I’m on another horse who’s keeping my head above water for the other two.
I'm past depressed. He is my only horse so I don't have a back up to run. I feel your pain too...especially winning and then getting hurt. I wish they could talk. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | mmfarms - 2018-09-04 6:22 PM casualdust07 - 2018-09-04 6:48 PM mmfarms - 2018-09-04 4:47 PM casualdust07 - 2018-09-04 2:56 PM I think you mean winstrol instead of windstraw So what i would do is i would start from the foot up with blocking... and I would do a peroneal tibial nerve block. If it’s above the hock he shouldn’t improve after the block, but should if it’s below. It’s really hard to prove hip pain in a horse, and not much you can do about it other than rest and alternative medicine. A bone scan may be helpful if you’re really convinced it’s in the hip and not elsewhere. What meds did you use for the EPM treatment? Did your vet think he looked neurologic? Also, if there’s like a 60-70% improvement after a stifle block we consider that a successful block. There’s so many components to stifle pain that aren’t articular you rarely get 100% improvement even if you’re dang convinced the problem is within the joint pouch you’re blocking. It’s also possible that if there is some sort of hip Injury, it’s going to take a long time to improve. They did block him. As I said he was better in a circle but on the straightaway he was still off. The vet told me I should just treat him for EPM and not waste the Money on the test. Excuse my spelling...i had never even heard of this shot nor do I want my guy to have another one. EPM med was Diclazuril 8.3%...Levaminsole 3% and vitamin E 10,000 IU. He is high on his left hip. You can see it from the back clearly and I can see it standing at his side also. Well I'm sad to think I might be off him for a while. I am a sponsor in a barrel race for childhood cancer awareness and it is this weekend. It is close to my heart since my baby girl battled cancer at the age of 7. Thank you for your input. Are you a vet? Yes you are a vet. The stifles also had fluid on them...vet said prob secondary to where the pain is. Yeah that’s unfortunate for sure. I do agree with the not testing for EPM because there’s such a grey area with the testing anyway. The meds you used were good, I like that combination. It sounds like you’ve got a frustrating case for sure. All of your bases were covered pretty much other than ultrasounding your suspensories. I would be scratching my head too if there was no improvement after everything you’ve done. I feel your pain on the time off. My 4yo filly this year started the year phenomenally. She was winning three saddles where I run, open 1D, Adult 1D, and novice horse. Out of the blue she somehow ended up with bone edema in her front feet and I’ve been off her since May. She had won the last two races I went to...hit a barrel to break a record at another. I did the MRI and everything. And she’s just healing slow. Slower than they thought. I was supposed to be back on her and it’s looking like she needs another month or two at least. We definitely lost the novice saddle, but I’m on another horse who’s keeping my head above water for the other two. I'm past depressed. He is my only horse so I don't have a back up to run. I feel your pain too...especially winning and then getting hurt. I wish they could talk.
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Location: Northern CA | I have had 2 seperate horses correctly diagnosed with "hip issues" via rectal ultrasound. One has spurs in his Si joints, the other had a bad (permanant) injury with seperation and soft tissue damage. I am not sure if you are using a performance horse vet that specialzes in lameness, but although the inital cost can be quite high, it is so much cheaper than guessing and chasing shadows. I sort of comapre it to going to general practioner for a knee replacement instead of an orthopedic surgeon, human doctors specialize, I feel it is the same for horses. |
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mmfarms - 2018-09-04 6:22 PM casualdust07 - 2018-09-04 6:48 PM mmfarms - 2018-09-04 4:47 PM casualdust07 - 2018-09-04 2:56 PM I think you mean winstrol instead of windstraw So what i would do is i would start from the foot up with blocking... and I would do a peroneal tibial nerve block. If it’s above the hock he shouldn’t improve after the block, but should if it’s below. It’s really hard to prove hip pain in a horse, and not much you can do about it other than rest and alternative medicine. A bone scan may be helpful if you’re really convinced it’s in the hip and not elsewhere. What meds did you use for the EPM treatment? Did your vet think he looked neurologic? Also, if there’s like a 60-70% improvement after a stifle block we consider that a successful block. There’s so many components to stifle pain that aren’t articular you rarely get 100% improvement even if you’re dang convinced the problem is within the joint pouch you’re blocking. It’s also possible that if there is some sort of hip Injury, it’s going to take a long time to improve. They did block him. As I said he was better in a circle but on the straightaway he was still off. The vet told me I should just treat him for EPM and not waste the Money on the test. Excuse my spelling...i had never even heard of this shot nor do I want my guy to have another one. EPM med was Diclazuril 8.3%...Levaminsole 3% and vitamin E 10,000 IU. He is high on his left hip. You can see it from the back clearly and I can see it standing at his side also. Well I'm sad to think I might be off him for a while. I am a sponsor in a barrel race for childhood cancer awareness and it is this weekend. It is close to my heart since my baby girl battled cancer at the age of 7. Thank you for your input. Are you a vet? Yes you are a vet. The stifles also had fluid on them...vet said prob secondary to where the pain is. Yeah that’s unfortunate for sure. I do agree with the not testing for EPM because there’s such a grey area with the testing anyway. The meds you used were good, I like that combination. It sounds like you’ve got a frustrating case for sure. All of your bases were covered pretty much other than ultrasounding your suspensories. I would be scratching my head too if there was no improvement after everything you’ve done. I feel your pain on the time off. My 4yo filly this year started the year phenomenally. She was winning three saddles where I run, open 1D, Adult 1D, and novice horse. Out of the blue she somehow ended up with bone edema in her front feet and I’ve been off her since May. She had won the last two races I went to...hit a barrel to break a record at another. I did the MRI and everything. And she’s just healing slow. Slower than they thought. I was supposed to be back on her and it’s looking like she needs another month or two at least. We definitely lost the novice saddle, but I’m on another horse who’s keeping my head above water for the other two. I'm past depressed. He is my only horse so I don't have a back up to run. I feel your pain too...especially winning and then getting hurt. I wish they could talk.
This,at least rule it out,best vet you can get and rectal exam,I sure wouldn't be riding him or turning him out at this point,this should be a fairly inexpensive thing to try.Good luck. |
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Location: Texas | mmfarms - 2018-09-04 7:22 PM
casualdust07 - 2018-09-04 6:48 PM
mmfarms - 2018-09-04 4:47 PM
casualdust07 - 2018-09-04 2:56 PM
I think you mean winstrol instead of windstraw
So what i would do is i would start from the foot up with blocking... and I would do a peroneal tibial nerve block. If it’s above the hock he shouldn’t improve after the block, but should if it’s below.
It’s really hard to prove hip pain in a horse, and not much you can do about it other than rest and alternative medicine.
A bone scan may be helpful if you’re really convinced it’s in the hip and not elsewhere.
What meds did you use for the EPM treatment? Did your vet think he looked neurologic?
Also, if there’s like a 60-70% improvement after a stifle block we consider that a successful block. There’s so many components to stifle pain that aren’t articular you rarely get 100% improvement even if you’re dang convinced the problem is within the joint pouch you’re blocking.
It’s also possible that if there is some sort of hip Injury, it’s going to take a long time to improve.
They did block him. As I said he was better in a circle but on the straightaway he was still off. The vet told me I should just treat him for EPM and not waste the Money on the test. Excuse my spelling...i had never even heard of this shot nor do I want my guy to have another one. EPM med was Diclazuril 8.3%...Levaminsole 3% and vitamin E 10,000 IU. He is high on his left hip. You can see it from the back clearly and I can see it standing at his side also. Well I'm sad to think I might be off him for a while. I am a sponsor in a barrel race for childhood cancer awareness and it is this weekend. It is close to my heart since my baby girl battled cancer at the age of 7. Thank you for your input. Are you a vet? Yes you are a vet. The stifles also had fluid on them...vet said prob secondary to where the pain is.
Yeah that’s unfortunate for sure. I do agree with the not testing for EPM because there’s such a grey area with the testing anyway. The meds you used were good, I like that combination.
It sounds like you’ve got a frustrating case for sure. All of your bases were covered pretty much other than ultrasounding your suspensories. I would be scratching my head too if there was no improvement after everything you’ve done.
I feel your pain on the time off. My 4yo filly this year started the year phenomenally. She was winning three saddles where I run, open 1D, Adult 1D, and novice horse. Out of the blue she somehow ended up with bone edema in her front feet and I’ve been off her since May. She had won the last two races I went to...hit a barrel to break a record at another. I did the MRI and everything. And she’s just healing slow. Slower than they thought. I was supposed to be back on her and it’s looking like she needs another month or two at least. We definitely lost the novice saddle, but I’m on another horse who’s keeping my head above water for the other two.
I'm past depressed. He is my only horse so I don't have a back up to run. I feel your pain too...especially winning and then getting hurt. I wish they could talk.
The only reason I have something to run is my little sister graciously stepped off her 4YO and let me get on him. She is busy in nursing school and they were a little hit and miss anyway.. so it's helping her that I season him so she can focus on school. She hadn't gotten him in the 1D yet either or she may have not let me LOL. But had she not let me, I would be SOL. I tried to get back on my other mare I bred last year and she isn't sound. |
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| Â high on one side? What do you mean exactly? Do you mean they are asymmetrical... One hip is physically lower? I'd be worried about a fractured pelvis or sacroiliac subluxation of the ligaments. My mare came up lower on her left tuber sacrale and via rectal ultrasound they found a fracture on her pelvis. 2 years later she's healed but lower on the left tuber sacrale. The other injury, a subluxation, my best friends mare was higher on the left tuber sacrle because she tore the sacroiliac ligament. Both injures show a Lower/higher tuber sacrale. Is that where you are seeing the difference is in the hip/pelvis or the tuber sacrale ? |
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