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| My toddlers 3.5 years are do for there vaccinations pretty much all of them second dose. We are heading there tomorrow to either sign a waver or get a couple vaccinations I am not for them but I do know u should have a couple the most important which i will talk to the nurse about. I tried looking up information but couldnt find much of anything except for that u need and of course need everything. Any input would be super! |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | FlyingJT - 2018-10-04 2:33 PM Why do you not believe in them?
because herd immunity.
Duh
why subject little johnny to the needle when all the other little rug rats that did get the necassary vax will take care yours not getting sick.
if you let everyone else do all the heavy lifting your life is so much easier.
oh and Autism
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | We had a huge thread on this about a year ago. Do a search. Bear and I went back and forth and he brought up a lot of great points.
My little One has an auto immune disease and her body doesn't respond well, in fact opposite, to most medications and all vaccines.
Do a search in the forums |
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Location: my piece of paradise | Coming from a pediatric nurse....every one of them is important. Honestly their immune systems are under more stress when you take them to the grocery store than when they receive the vaccines. I encourage parents to do their own research but make sure it is credible literature, not some mommy website who also is trying to get you to breastfeed them until they are 10 and feed them grape juice to prevent the stomach virus (which does not work btw). Trust me when I say, every parent who's child I have taken care of with measles, chicken pox, influenza etc. and they are fighting to survive wishes they would have given the vaccine. Yes I have taken care of a child with measles. They are still a very real thing to be worried about. Please feel free to voice your concerns and maybe I can help you...  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here’s my Quick Books opinion, in a nutshell:
1.) Don’t let anyone tell you vaccines are “not natural”. They are an incredibly natural preventative measure. Everything about vaccines is natural. If you are afraid of unnatural “chemicals”, then consider the antiviral drugs your child would need to survive a bout of measles encephalitis (not to mention a respirator, ICU, coma, etc..) if he is not vaccinated.
2.) The child’s immune system is not “overwhelmed” by vaccines.
Vaccines are foreign proteins derived from the actual virus (or bacteria). Those foreign proteins are called “antigens”. Everyone is exposed to thousands of antigens every single day. The human immune system has an unimaginable capacity to eradicate those antigens, without your even realizing it.
3.) there is abundant data out there comparing the incidence and mortality risk of most common childhood viral diseases, like mumps, measles, etc.... look at the numbers before and after the advent of vaccines. The contrast is staggering.
4.) Miniscule amounts of preservatives are not a threat.
5.) Yes there is a potential for adverse reaction to vaccines, but that risk is extremely small. The benefit far exceeds the risk.
6.) Herd immunity is a very real phenomenon. If you don’t believe me, google measles outbreaks and whooping cough outbreaks in communities where the antivax movement is popular.
7.) the Autism scare is a tragic myth, born out of fraudulent research.
I could go on and on, but I have to run to pick up some Chinese food.
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| There has been an upsurge in childhood diseases ie mumps, measles, the chicken pox I think what a lot of parents don't think about are the other serious issues these diseases can cause. I personally know someone whose son contracted the mumps and is now deaf due to the high fever he ran. I myself, although vaccinated, had the mumps and have a slight hearing loss in my left ear because I only got them on one side. I think I had all of the childhood diseases I listed above mumps check, chicken pox yep had them too actually ended up in the hospital with them when I was 10. German measles had them don't remember them b/c I was a baby. So when I had my children I did get all the vaccines for them just because I knew first hand what these diseases can cause. There are a couple I'm still on the fence about like HPV. Just know there are risks doing it either way with the vaccines and without. Do your research, talk to the doctor, go to the pharmaceutical websites to make the best-informed decision for your family. It's hard being a parent because you want the best for your children, you think you got it figured out then wham something out of left field makes you rethink everything you thought you knew. |
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| thank you everyone i am going to reschedule my appointment to next week one of my kids is sick |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | A word of caution is in order. Whenever you are told “do your research”, I think you should have a set of standards when considering your sources of information. There’s a long list of impressive, scientific-sounding quack journals and organizations out there. They are designed to promote snake oil and unproven holistic bullsh!t. I’d recommend you learn to use reliable sources to research any health related topic. A lot of world-renowned clinics and organizations have excellent websites designed for laypeople.
The Mayo Clinic is one example.
Also, whenever you get in a discussion with an antivaxer or someone who despises western medicine, be wary whenever they resort to the “debate by link” tactic. Usually they haven’t read the actual articles they cite, much less actually understand them. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Bear...I am stealing your Quickbooks list for my FB. I have some folks that could benefit from that simple concise list. They get caught up in the "it's not natural" claims and fearmongering. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Bear...I am stealing your Quickbooks list for my FB. I have some folks that could benefit from that simple concise list. They get caught up in the "it's not natural" claims and fearmongering. |
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Location: North Dakota | I think most of us understand the basis for vaccinations, right? How about other things: car seats for kids, when properly used save lives. I still see kids not in car seats OR properly used. This leads me to the "what if" part of my life. What if I made a decision that somehow failed my children. I decided they don't need to be buckled up and they are killed in a car crash or god forbid, maimed, paralyzed etc. What if I decide not to vaccinate my children and they end up with life long issues due to a simple disease?
With that said what if you vaccinate your kids and they do react in a way that is not typical? At least you did what should have been done to protect them to your best ability. Not vaccinating is opening the door to an ongoing battle of what "should" and should not be done.
My kids have been vaccinated, my daughter had shingles as a 5 yr old.......what happened there? I have no idea, the best we can figure out is that she had a mild form of chicken pox before she was vaccinated.
Fast forward to the HPV vaccine, both of my kids are of the age they should be starting the series, I'm skeptical and still weighing my "what ifs" mostly because the HPV vaccine is relatively "NEW" I would like to give it a few more years of use before we decide what the kids should do. |
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Location: N Texas | 1DSoon - 2018-10-04 1:42 PM
FlyingJT - 2018-10-04 2:33 PM Why do you not believe in them?
 because herd immunity.Â
Duh
why subject little johnny to the needle when all the other little rug rats that did get the necassary vax will take care yours not getting sick.Â
if you let everyone else do all the heavy lifting your life is so much easier.Â
oh and Autism Â
Also because essential oils and vitamins are all you need! |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Gunner11 - 2018-10-05 10:25 AM
1DSoon - 2018-10-04 1:42 PM
FlyingJT - 2018-10-04 2:33 PM Why do you not believe in them?
 because herd immunity.Â
Duh
why subject little johnny to the needle when all the other little rug rats that did get the necassary vax will take care yours not getting sick.Â
if you let everyone else do all the heavy lifting your life is so much easier.Â
oh and Autism Â
Also because essential oils and vitamins are all you need!
see this person is educated and enlightened.
Thank you |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | TrailGirl - 2018-10-05 8:22 AM
Bear...I am stealing your Quickbooks list for my FB. I have some folks that could benefit from that simple concise list. They get caught up in the "it's not natural" claims and fearmongering.
Truth is, in medicine, nothing is more natural than vaccines.
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Location: N Texas | 1DSoon - 2018-10-05 10:21 AM
Gunner11 - 2018-10-05 10:25 AM
1DSoon - 2018-10-04 1:42 PM
FlyingJT - 2018-10-04 2:33 PM Why do you not believe in them?
 because herd immunity.Â
Duh
why subject little johnny to the needle when all the other little rug rats that did get the necassary vax will take care yours not getting sick.Â
if you let everyone else do all the heavy lifting your life is so much easier.Â
oh and Autism Â
Also because essential oils and vitamins are all you need!
see this person is educated and enlightened.
Thank you
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Location: North Dakota | I'm just going to leave this link here, using polio as an example. What if parents during the 1950's were part of the large anti-vax movement that exists today? Polio would have never been irradicated.
If it happened in 1993, and less people are vacinating their kids for it today than they were then .... it could happen again.
Is the "risk" of the vaccine, worse than the risk of the disease?
I have two healthy children and they have had all the recommended vaccinations without side effects.
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Location: Texas | I would say that you need to research it and make your own decision. Don't be intimidated by those folks on either side. Everyone is VERY passionate when it comes to this topic. I have my own thoughts as well, and I too feel very passionate about my stance. Bottom line... they are YOU'RE children. You are the only one who needs to feel good about it.
Best of luck and prayers for wisdom and guidance!
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| I seen your fence sitting on the HPV.
The one cool thing about the HPV is we started by only immunizing a specific gender.
The global surveillance den during this time showed something amazing.
Just by immunizing the women alone it reduced male mouth and penile cancer by either 30 or 40 percent (sorry don't have the article in front of me)
This is why we started immunizing the men.
One thing to remember is majority of vaccines are developed the same way, the only main difference is the virus. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | cheryl makofka - 2018-10-06 9:58 PM
I seen your fence sitting on the HPV.
The one cool thing about the HPV is we started by only immunizing a specific gender.
The global surveillance den during this time showed something amazing.
Just by immunizing the women alone it reduced male mouth and penile cancer by either 30 or 40 percent (sorry don't have the article in front of me)
This is why we started immunizing the men.
One thing to remember is majority of vaccines are developed the same way, the only main difference is the virus.
HPV vaccinations in males might be a good idea but we have to keep in mind that we’re talking about a relatively rare cancer to begin with. The incidence is less than 1 in 100,000. About half of those cases are linked to HPV. A lack of circumcision is probably a bigger factor than HPV. You have to give an awful lot of HPV vaccines to prevent a case of penile cancer. I know the literature is showing a clear benefit, but I’m just not quite ready to sign on with this one....yet. |
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