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| I'm going to rant here, but I'm so tired of seeing people at races veining their horses! Yes - I realize they may need some pain meds but seriously - if they hurt that bad why are they running them? This is not the NFR! I go to races of 180-600 riders and over the last few years, I have seen more and more people injecting iv's into their horses than one can shake a stick at! Yesterday, across the alley I hear this rider say to another 'he's been running like a deadhead' then the next thing you see is someone else drawing up a cocktail. This morning at 6:30 am I hear commotion and two alleys over, a rider is chasing the horse around the stall and I ask my husband if the rider is veining her horse - he looks and sure enough that's what they were doing, and the horse was tired of the 'misses' with the needle. I've been around the block a time or two so I'm not some newbie or novice to the sport - but in my opinion if the horse doesn't have the mind for it, or isn't running like you want, or any other thing people vein for.........perhaps try a new horse! How many riders do you see out there are really qualified to know what drug they need for their horse? And quite honestly - shame on the vets that sell them the drugs! I'm done now - need to go get ready.......everyone will have their own opinion - I didn't post to start anything I just needed to rant for a moment!
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| run,run,run - 2018-10-14 9:31 AM I'm going to rant here, but I'm so tired of seeing people at races veining their horses! Yes - I realize they may need some pain meds but seriously - if they hurt that bad why are they running them? This is not the NFR! I go to races of 180-600 riders and over the last few years, I have seen more and more people injecting iv's into their horses than one can shake a stick at! Yesterday, across the alley I hear this rider say to another 'he's been running like a deadhead' then the next thing you see is someone else drawing up a cocktail. This morning at 6:30 am I hear commotion and two alleys over, a rider is chasing the horse around the stall and I ask my husband if the rider is veining her horse - he looks and sure enough that's what they were doing, and the horse was tired of the 'misses' with the needle. I've been around the block a time or two so I'm not some newbie or novice to the sport - but in my opinion if the horse doesn't have the mind for it, or isn't running like you want, or any other thing people vein for.........perhaps try a new horse! How many riders do you see out there are really qualified to know what drug they need for their horse? And quite honestly - shame on the vets that sell them the drugs! I'm done now - need to go get ready.......everyone will have their own opinion - I didn't post to start anything I just needed to rant for a moment!
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| I'm going to be one of those IVing one of my horses at shows from here on out. I don't like it either. But I'm not going to subject him to a bunch of 'maybe' help with the bleeding so Lasix it is.
One person told me it made them run faster because they lost weight peeing before they ran. Yeah right. Considering it wipes out their electrolytes, which are essential for full muscle firing, I kinda doubt that idea. It might make them run faster than they have before the Lasix because they couldn't breathe when they ran before, and now they can, but you aren't going to run any faster than the horse could have without bleeding. |
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| Much of the mainlining is Lasix. Don’t assume it’s pain meds. If you feel the need to know, go ask. Typically the ones doing it in plain sight have nothing to hide. It’s the ones doing it in secrecy behind closed stall curtains at big futurities that are hiding something. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| How is it right for you to accuse all people veining their horse for using drugs that are harmful? You are assuming and have absolutely no clue what they are giving. Most of the time it's Lasix. It could be banamine too. No bute, banamine, equioxx or dexamethasone is going to make an unsound horse run. I give my horses bute or previcox, depending on the horse, over the weekend. Previcox for my gelding who is younger and has no issues and bute to my good mare who has some maintenance. If I'm driving 6 hours and they are stalled for 3 days they will get a pain reliever. That is no one's business but mine and my vet. Also I am a dental hygienist hunched over all day and I have to take an ibuprofen every once in a while. Trust me... It helps me get through the day but it doesn't take all the pain away.As far as other drug that are harmful, like snake oil ect..., obviously yes that is absolutely unacceptable but I guarantee those people who use it wouldn't be giving it in broad daylight. |
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Location: OH | SKM - 2018-10-14 11:50 AM
Much of the mainlining is Lasix. Don’t assume it’s pain meds. If you feel the need to know, go ask. Typically the ones doing it in plain sight have nothing to hide. It’s the ones doing it in secrecy behind closed stall curtains at big futurities that are hiding something.
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | bbennington - 2018-10-14 11:26 AM
A lot of times they are injecting banamine into the vein.
And have to add that I am so sick and tired of it.. It has gotten so bad and the reason why I have cut way back on shows in the last 5 years.
You're going to let someone injecting banamine affect your life and how often you race?
While I don't agree with using performance enhancing substances to hop a horse, a shot of banamine or bute isn't going to make a horse any better than he's capable of being. They may have a relationship with a vet who understands their horse and prescribed it. Or, they may be doing it completely on their own accord.
If you ever read the drug rules for AQHA just as an example, they DO allow for the use of NSAIDs, given at the proper dose, and given at the appropriate time frame. So it's not as if someone is committing a crime for giving a shot of bute or banamine at a barrel race. Not to mention, like others have said, a lot of what you are seeing injected is lasix as well. But anyone who's giving IV injections should be proficient at it, and it's tacky when someone just throws needles and syringes away without discarding of the properly.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | When I went to the bigger barrel races I would see a few people main line their horses, I didnt worry myself over what others were doing, most of the ones I saw doing it was with lasix {bleeders} for the op just in case she didnt know what lasix was for} but I'm pretty sure there was some pain maintenance going on to, no biggie, I think the ones doing it was for the good of their horses to make them more comfortable.. Now if illegal they sure would not be sticking their horses in front of everybody to watch. |
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| I have a friend who rodeos and goes to big barrel races and she says the ones doing big illegal stuff don’t care if you see what they are doing. They told her everyone does it. She just asked them to please dispose their stuff in the trash, she didn’t want her grandkid to accidentally step on their needles. This is at the big barrel races, the rodeos she said were different. The illegal stuff they would try to hide. It’s everywhere, you just have to do what you think is right and not worry about the other people. Ultimately, the horse pays, unfortunately. |
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| Honestly its posts like this that make people try all the herbal meds, and some probably do more harm then good. I had to use lasix on a bleeder in the past and I hated the looks I got, so I probably started to look sketchy after awhile, but I would rather run on lasix because it is proven then run on some unproven method. I've also given my horse legend the odd time or two, plus most drugs you can give orally, so illegal drugs are used both ways. I wouldn't be so quick to judge, and the ones that are doing it... well hopefully it will bite them in the butt one day. I just do my own thing and try not to worry about anyone else. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-10-14 11:34 AM
How is it right for you to accuse all people veining their horse for using drugs that are harmful? You are assuming and have absolutely no clue what they are giving. Most of the time it's Lasix. It could be banamine too. No bute, banamine, equioxx or dexamethasone is going to make an unsound horse run. I give my horses bute or previcox, depending on the horse, over the weekend. Previcox for my gelding who is younger and has no issues and bute to my good mare who has some maintenance. If I'm driving 6 hours and they are stalled for 3 days they will get a pain reliever. That is no one's business but mine and my vet. Also I am a dental hygienist hunched over all day and I have to take an ibuprofen every once in a while. Trust me... It helps me get through the day but it doesn't take all the pain away.As far as other drug that are harmful, like snake oil ect..., obviously yes that is absolutely unacceptable but I guarantee those people who use it wouldn't be giving it in broad daylight.
Agreed. I appreciate a couple ibuprofen after a long day. Why wouldn't I give my horse (who I put there, he didn't ask to be there) some relief after stalling them in a 12x12 stall on concrete for 3 days straight? Rude to assume that everyone injecting something is doing something "bad". |
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Queen Bean of Ponyland
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Location: WYOMING | Perfect example of a person making assumptions, not knowing the whole story and not minding their own business. Plus just lumped every NFR barrel racer into one drug using group.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Odd person out here, I believe what the original poster is saying - not about legal drugs, they said that. They aren't talking about lasik, etc.
And they are old enough and have worked at enough vet's offices to know the difference. (I know this person) between a legally used drug or not.
Whether people like to admit it or not, there is abuse of drugs in the barrel horse world. Also the race horse world. Thus, the reason most racing venues have gone to hair testing.
And, as usual, if you don't like it, stay home, will be most of the answers on here.
But, putting your head in the sand and pretending it is all legal, will only get your eyes full of sand.
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Location: Louisiana | Guess I just don't look around enough when I'm at rodeos and barrel races...
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Location: Claremore, OK | Where are these barrel races that have girls around every corner injecting horses ?? I’ve been to a lot of Barrel races/rodeos and have been back on the back side where a lot of illegal stuff would normally take place but I very rarely see it.
I’m for Banamine and Lasix. They’re included on a lengthy list of approved drugs by he AQHA And WPRA.Tossing needles down is ignorant and makes everyone look bad, but it gets done with regular trash too.
I highly doubt if they were giving something illegal they’d be doing it in front of everyone.
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Saint Stacey
| There’s a lot of steroid use at the race track and illegal cocktails. Why? Because three races a month is a lot. 13-17 races in a year is a lot. The illegal Redbull and other mixes used by many match racers ruins (usually killing) a horse within 5-7 outs.
With as many times as a barrel horse runs in a month, they would be dropping over like flies if they were on the stuff that it sounds like the OP thinks they are on. Granted some barrel racers are way too free with things like Ventipulmin. But if a barrel horse was constantly given synthetic adrenaline, frog juice, Redbull and similar other track recipes...they’d probably be dead in a week because of how often they run. |
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Location: North Dakota | run,run,run - 2018-10-14 9:31 AM I'm going to rant here, but I'm so tired of seeing people at races veining their horses! Yes - I realize they may need some pain meds but seriously - if they hurt that bad why are they running them? This is not the NFR! I go to races of 180-600 riders and over the last few years, I have seen more and more people injecting iv's into their horses than one can shake a stick at! Yesterday, across the alley I hear this rider say to another 'he's been running like a deadhead' then the next thing you see is someone else drawing up a cocktail. This morning at 6:30 am I hear commotion and two alleys over, a rider is chasing the horse around the stall and I ask my husband if the rider is veining her horse - he looks and sure enough that's what they were doing, and the horse was tired of the 'misses' with the needle. I've been around the block a time or two so I'm not some newbie or novice to the sport - but in my opinion if the horse doesn't have the mind for it, or isn't running like you want, or any other thing people vein for.........perhaps try a new horse! How many riders do you see out there are really qualified to know what drug they need for their horse? And quite honestly - shame on the vets that sell them the drugs! I'm done now - need to go get ready.......everyone will have their own opinion - I didn't post to start anything I just needed to rant for a moment!
Curious: How do you know WHAT they are injecting the horse with? How do you know it's not (for example) Lasix? |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | SKM - 2018-10-15 10:28 AM There’s a lot of steroid use at the race track and illegal cocktails. Why? Because three races a month is a lot. 13-17 races in a year is a lot. The illegal Redbull and other mixes used by many match racers ruins (usually killing) a horse within 5-7 outs. With as many times as a barrel horse runs in a month, they would be dropping over like flies if they were on the stuff that it sounds like the OP thinks they are on. Granted some barrel racers are way too free with things like Ventipulmin. But if a barrel horse was constantly given synthetic adrenaline, frog juice, Redbull and similar other track recipes...they’d probably be dead in a week because of how often they run.
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