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Location: South Georgia | My horse has been having recurrent colic issues (about once a week or week and a half) for the last 2 months. He had a history of ulcers according to previous owner, so I kind of assumed that's what it must be and had him scoped. No ulcers were found in upper stomach, but he was unsuccessful in accessing lower stomach sufficiently. Prescribed a month of Gastrogard. We are on week 3 now. He continues to colic at the same rate. Taking him to a specialist hospital next Monday for abdominal ultrasound and whatever else they want to check.
Blood work "all pretty much normal"
Fecal egg count tested positive for strongyles at 200 eggs/gm.
What wormer do you suggest? Equimax is what I am reading in my searches. My vet said "give him a wormer now and again in 2 weeks," but he did not mention what type. Thoughts?
Edited by horsegirl 2018-10-23 6:48 AM
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Location: Deep South | Omeprazole (Gastrogard) will not cure hind gut ulcers. Not sure why your vet prescribed that if that's what they suspect? |
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The One
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Location: South Georgia | BamaCanChaser - 2018-10-18 9:35 AM Omeprazole (Gastrogard) will not cure hind gut ulcers. Not sure why your vet prescribed that if that's what they suspect?
He suspected lower stomach ulcers (glandular region). I am suspecting hind gut, however. |
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Defense Attorney for The Horse
Location: Claremore, OK | I would do a Safeguard Power Pack and also work for tapeworms (anything with Praziquantel). I would also put him on Assure Guard Gold. They have a program that pays your vet bills (whether they need surgery or not) if he’s on their product and enrolled in the program.
If he did have stomach ulcers and you were using name brand Ulcergard, not compounded, you should have seen a response by now.
I’ve seen horses do this when they’ve got tape worms (which won’t show in a fecal) so it wouldn’t hurt to treat for that.
The AGG is a big dose of probiotics and psyllium. It’s straightened out some chronics for me.
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Location: South Georgia | Liana D - 2018-10-18 9:52 AM
I would do a Safeguard Power Pack and also work for tapeworms (anything with Praziquantel). I would also put him on Assure Guard Gold. They have a program that pays your vet bills (whether they need surgery or not) if he’s on their product and enrolled in the program.
I'll check into it. He's insured, so my vet bills are being covered (Thank God), and I also ordered KER Ritetrac to address hindgut health. Also giving Forco. Praying. |
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Location: South Georgia | Liana D - 2018-10-18 9:52 AM I would do a Safeguard Power Pack and also work for tapeworms (anything with Praziquantel). I would also put him on Assure Guard Gold. They have a program that pays your vet bills (whether they need surgery or not) if he’s on their product and enrolled in the program. If he did have stomach ulcers and you were using name brand Ulcergard, not compounded, you should have seen a response by now. I’ve seen horses do this when they’ve got tape worms (which won’t show in a fecal) so it wouldn’t hurt to treat for that. The AGG is a big dose of probiotics and psyllium. It’s straightened out some chronics for me.
Yep, no response, and it's name brand Gastrogard. |
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| Do you have a lot of sand he could be ingesting?? My 26 yr old retired gelding was NOTORIOUS for colicing and reoccuring ulcers until we would do a monthly round of Metamucil, treated ulcers with GastroPLUS from THE and added FORCO to his diet. |
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Location: South Georgia | panamasgold - 2018-10-18 1:37 PM Do you have a lot of sand he could be ingesting?? My 26 yr old retired gelding was NOTORIOUS for colicing and reoccuring ulcers until we would do a monthly round of Metamucil, treated ulcers with GastroPLUS from THE and added FORCO to his diet.
Not really. I have done 3 sand tests and no real sand to speak of. |
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| Agree with a Power Pack. Either Panacur or Safeguard. Years ago when a horse would colic a lot we would tube worm and they would be fine after. |
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Location: South Georgia | My concern is that this horse is highly sensitive. The lab that did the fecal suggested Equimax because it's relatively gentle and will get strongyles and tape worms. I'm worried a powerpack is a little aggressive. The lab says 200 eggs/gm isnt all that much. IDK |
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Location: Claremore, OK | horsegirl - 2018-10-18 2:11 PM
My concern is that this horse is highly sensitive. The lab that did the fecal suggested Equimax because it's relatively gentle and will get strongyles and tape worms. I'm worried a powerpack is a little aggressive. The lab says 200 eggs/gm isnt all that much. IDK
Powerpack doesn’t have a whole lot to do with the worms that are shedding the eggs found in the fecal. The powerpack is designed to treat encysted strongyles (which don’t show up in a fecal).
I find it really hard to rely on fecals since I’ve seen horses pooping worms, yet not showing anything on
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| Bots will also cause these symptoms. I would worm with ivermectin. It gets tapes also. What are you feeding? |
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Location: South Georgia | readytorodeo - 2018-10-19 8:52 AM
Bots will also cause these symptoms. I would worm with ivermectin. It gets tapes also. What are you feeding?
We have tried a bunch of different options now over the last couple months. The rate of colic does not change.
Started off with 13/8 extruded pellet
Went to 12/10 extruded low starch pellet
Tried 2 weeks of no grain--just pasture and hay
After scoping, vet said to put on Senior feed
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Location: NE Texas | I would powerpak like others have said. Then I would likely go with soaked timothy pellets and a mineral supplement like Big Sky and add in a months worth of their Hi Trax as well. I have been using the it for a couple of months now and really like how my crew has done and the changes i've seen, plus it's very affordable. Read the reviews on the Big Sky mineral itself from others who have used it. It may be exactly what you need, but I would definitely add in the Hi Trax for a bit to get the good bacteria in the gut back balanced. I don't use it free choice, but rather do the 4 oz daily. I wasn't having colic problems, but do have a mare that tends to be more prone to parasitic overload than she should be. Her fecals are always clean, but she has stayed pot bellied despite getting lots of exercise. I do think this has helped.
The Big Sky shouldn't be used with a processed feed with a vit/min pack though. Only if you're feeding a hay pellet and forage only type diet. I have put some out free choice and my horses clean it up, so that would be an option too if you're set up to free choice soemthing. I'm not, so easier to top dress for me.
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Location: Claremore, OK | readytorodeo - 2018-10-19 7:52 AM
Bots will also cause these symptoms. I would worm with ivermectin. It gets tapes also. What are you feeding?
Bots would’ve shown up when the horse’s stomach was scoped.
Ivermectin doesn’t get tapeworms, Praziquantel gets tapeworms. Something like Equimax or Zimectrin Gold will get tapeworms since they have Ivermectin and Praziquantel in them.
Quest Plus will get tapeworms and also encysted strongyles, but it might be on the harsh side for a horse with GI problems. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | your horse may have one of those monoliths/calcium build up. blocking his stomach which would also make him colic. you can put him on chanca piedra and see if it helps. perhaps an ultra sound. |
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| horsegirl - 2018-10-18 8:24 AM
 My horse has been having recurrent colic issues (about once a week or week and a half) for the last 2 months. He had a history of ulcers according to previous owner, so I kind of assumed that's what it must be and had him scoped. No ulcers were found in upper stomach, but he was unsuccessful in accessing lower stomach sufficiently. Prescribed a month of Gastrogard. We are on week 3 now. He continues to colic at the same rate. Taking him to a specialist hospital next Monday for abdominal ultrasound and whatever else they want to check.
Blood work "all pretty much normal"
Fecal egg count tested positive for strongyles at 200 eggs/gm.
What wormer do you suggest? Equimax is what I am reading in my searches. My vet said "give him a wormer now and again in 2 weeks," but he did not mention what type. Thoughts?
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 I'm so sorry about your horse. I hope you get it figured out. One thing I dealt with was one horse I have had colic episodes every week that went on for a month and it ended up being sand... I don't even live in a sandy area. We tested his manure and found it. He just liked to mill around in the dirt picking up everyone's dropped feed. Did a week of sandclear. Then a week off and then one more week of sandclear... Then now just one week of it monthly and luckily he's been good. |
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Location: Arkansas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-10-21 12:26 AM
horsegirl - 2018-10-18 8:24 AM
 My horse has been having recurrent colic issues (about once a week or week and a half) for the last 2 months. He had a history of ulcers according to previous owner, so I kind of assumed that's what it must be and had him scoped. No ulcers were found in upper stomach, but he was unsuccessful in accessing lower stomach sufficiently. Prescribed a month of Gastrogard. We are on week 3 now. He continues to colic at the same rate. Taking him to a specialist hospital next Monday for abdominal ultrasound and whatever else they want to check.
Blood work "all pretty much normal"
Fecal egg count tested positive for strongyles at 200 eggs/gm.
What wormer do you suggest? Equimax is what I am reading in my searches. My vet said "give him a wormer now and again in 2 weeks," but he did not mention what type. Thoughts?
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 I'm so sorry about your horse. I hope you get it figured out. One thing I dealt with was one horse I have had colic episodes every week that went on for a month and it ended up being sand... I don't even live in a sandy area. We tested his manure and found it. He just liked to mill around in the dirt picking up everyone's dropped feed. Did a week of sandclear. Then a week off and then one more week of sandclear... Then now just one week of it monthly and luckily he's been good.
She said she had done 3 sand tests. . . . Bless her heart I hope she can get it figured out for him.
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Chandler's Mom - 2018-10-21 12:34 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-10-21 12:26 AM
horsegirl - 2018-10-18 8:24 AM
 My horse has been having recurrent colic issues (about once a week or week and a half) for the last 2 months. He had a history of ulcers according to previous owner, so I kind of assumed that's what it must be and had him scoped. No ulcers were found in upper stomach, but he was unsuccessful in accessing lower stomach sufficiently. Prescribed a month of Gastrogard. We are on week 3 now. He continues to colic at the same rate. Taking him to a specialist hospital next Monday for abdominal ultrasound and whatever else they want to check.
Blood work "all pretty much normal"
Fecal egg count tested positive for strongyles at 200 eggs/gm.
What wormer do you suggest? Equimax is what I am reading in my searches. My vet said "give him a wormer now and again in 2 weeks," but he did not mention what type. Thoughts?
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 I'm so sorry about your horse. I hope you get it figured out. One thing I dealt with was one horse I have had colic episodes every week that went on for a month and it ended up being sand... I don't even live in a sandy area. We tested his manure and found it. He just liked to mill around in the dirt picking up everyone's dropped feed. Did a week of sandclear. Then a week off and then one more week of sandclear... Then now just one week of it monthly and luckily he's been good.
She said she had done 3 sand tests. . . . Bless her heart I hope she can get it figured out for him.
 I didn't read all the posts. Just her first one. |
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Location: South Georgia | Thanks for the tips! I am fasting him this afternoon and tonight and heading 2 hours to a vet hospital Monday for another scoping and who knows what else they’ll try. Hoping we can figure it out. |
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