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Location: Central Iowa | My boy will be 3 in 2019 and I have made the decision not to breed him until 2020 to get a good solid foundation on him and start hauling him more. My question is I have 4 nice mares that I own that I am going put under him but I would like to get more under him. I have already lined him up to be at a stallion station on be AI only.
Obviously I do not expect mares owners to even show interest in a Jr. Stallion that has not proven himself yet so I am trying to think outside of the box (well maybe this is common not sure). Since I am looking for 2020 I have some time and I thought I might send some barrel racers I know that have some nice broodmares a message and wave the breeding fee if they pay for the vet charges. I know Slick By Design the first year or two he made it to the NFR they offered the top 15 ladies free breeding's to him (trying to get his babies in good hands) and I was wanting to do that as well in a way. Is this common or does anyone have any other ideas for me? Question for Mare owners, would this interest you at all??
I also know of some top stallion owners that will buy very well bred proven broodmares, breed them to their JR stallions and then sell the broodmares to get those babies in different peoples hands as well. Not sure if I like that plan as well but just another idea I guess!
My boy is by SBD out of a proven 1D/producing daughter of PCFH/Dinero
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | ropinbuzz - 2018-10-23 11:27 AM My boy will be 3 in 2019 and I have made the decision not to breed him until 2020 to get a good solid foundation on him and start hauling him more. My question is I have 4 nice mares that I own that I am going put under him but I would like to get more under him. I have already lined him up to be at a stallion station on be AI only. Obviously I do not expect mares owners to even show interest in a Jr. Stallion that has not proven himself yet so I am trying to think outside of the box (well maybe this is common not sure). Since I am looking for 2020 I have some time and I thought I might send some barrel racers I know that have some nice broodmares a message and wave the breeding fee if they pay for the vet charges. I know Slick By Design the first year or two he made it to the NFR they offered the top 15 ladies free breeding's to him (trying to get his babies in good hands) and I was wanting to do that as well in a way. Is this common or does anyone have any other ideas for me? Question for Mare owners, would this interest you at all?? I also know of some top stallion owners that will buy very well bred proven broodmares, breed them to their JR stallions and then sell the broodmares to get those babies in different peoples hands as well. Not sure if I like that plan as well but just another idea I guess! My boy is by SBD out of a proven 1D/producing daughter of PCFH/Dinero
Take this advice for what you pay for it.
You are talking about standing a son of a young Stallion that is himself priced pretty resasonable at this piont.
Unless your's is winning at a pretty substantial level, the market is going to be very limited. |
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Location: Central Iowa | 1DSoon - 2018-10-23 10:32 AM
ropinbuzz - 2018-10-23 11:27 AM My boy will be 3 in 2019 and I have made the decision not to breed him until 2020 to get a good solid foundation on him and start hauling him more. My question is I have 4 nice mares that I own that I am going put under him but I would like to get more under him. I have already lined him up to be at a stallion station on be AI only. Obviously I do not expect mares owners to even show interest in a Jr. Stallion that has not proven himself yet so I am trying to think outside of the box (well maybe this is common not sure). Since I am looking for 2020 I have some time and I thought I might send some barrel racers I know that have some nice broodmares a message and wave the breeding fee if they pay for the vet charges. I know Slick By Design the first year or two he made it to the NFR they offered the top 15 ladies free breeding's to him (trying to get his babies in good hands) and I was wanting to do that as well in a way. Is this common or does anyone have any other ideas for me? Question for Mare owners, would this interest you at all?? I also know of some top stallion owners that will buy very well bred proven broodmares, breed them to their JR stallions and then sell the broodmares to get those babies in different peoples hands as well. Not sure if I like that plan as well but just another idea I guess! My boy is by SBD out of a proven 1D/producing daughter of PCFH/Dinero
Take this advice for what you pay for it.
You are talking about standing a son of a young Stallion that is himself priced pretty resasonable at this piont.
Unless your's is winning at a pretty substantial level, the market is going to be very limited.
Thank you for your honest opinion. I do get what you are saying and have thought about holding off on breeding him at all. At least until he gets some money under him in both roping and barrels. |
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Location: OH | Agree with 1D soon but if you are going to stand him I would sure breed your mares to him next year. Heck, should have this year.
It is very hard to sell somebody on breeding to him till he has get out there winning---like you stated, SBD went to the NFR and they were still giving breedings away. Best way to do that is to breed your mares and direct those foals to people that will make them shine. |
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Location: Central Iowa | Whiteboy - 2018-10-23 11:16 AM
Are you going to futurity him?
Yes, thinking about the later ones I guess!
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| ropinbuzz - 2018-10-23 11:30 AM
Whiteboy - 2018-10-23 11:16 AM
Are you going to futurity him?
Yes, thinking about the later ones I guess!
I think that goes a long ways if the mare owners can see that he is in training and you are committed to proving him. As far as offering him to mare owners, it doesn't hurt, but chances are they will not be top tier mares. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on. |
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Location: OH | OregonBR - 2018-10-23 1:11 PM Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on.
This was my approach also---I believed in them and went to breeding them immediately. The quicker I could put their Get out there, the quicker they could prove themselves as a sire. |
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Location: Central Iowa | OregonBR - 2018-10-23 12:11 PM
Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on.
Very true! Didn't think of it that way! |
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Location: OH | It takes quite a while to get things rolling. Believe me, you can tell people how nice your stud is till you are blue in the face but everyone will agree and then go to the flavor of the day. |
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Location: California | Mighty Broke - 2018-10-23 10:44 AM
It takes quite a while to get things rolling. Believe me, you can tell people how nice your stud is till you are blue in the face but everyone will agree and then go to the flavor of the day.
This is SO true!! They’ll choose designer studs with crappy conformation even after they’ve gone on about how nice yours is.
I personally think you have an advantage point in that he is an interesting cross, and being SBD he’s somewhat of an outcross for people.
Don’t wait to breed, start now. You won’t regret seeing his foals and the quicker the foals are riding age the better for him.
And the sooner you know if he’s a quality stallion, the better, especially for financial reasons.
Edited by *almost there* 2018-10-23 2:02 PM
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Mighty Broke - 2018-10-23 12:21 PM OregonBR - 2018-10-23 1:11 PM Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on. This was my approach also---I believed in them and went to breeding them immediately. The quicker I could put their Get out there, the quicker they could prove themselves as a sire.
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| Prove your stud....
Keep your stud in the public eye...
Breed your own, raise your own, futurity your own, and make sure they get in good hands
Most people go broke trying to prove a stallion. J Briggs I saw recently is selling her stud because flat out it's extremely expensive to pay them into incentives, advertise, prove them, prove their offspring, and foot the bill of all that goes with a stallion station stay etc |
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Location: California | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-10-23 6:11 PM
Prove your stud....
Keep your stud in the public eye...
Breed your own, raise your own, futurity your own, and make sure they get in good hands
Most people go broke trying to prove a stallion. J Briggs I saw recently is selling her stud because flat out it's extremely expensive to pay them into incentives, advertise, prove them, prove their offspring, and foot the bill of all that goes with a stallion station stay etc
Was this an article? I’d love to read it |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | *almost there* - 2018-10-23 7:28 PM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-10-23 6:11 PM Prove your stud.... Keep your stud in the public eye... Breed your own, raise your own, futurity your own, and make sure they get in good hands Most people go broke trying to prove a stallion. J Briggs I saw recently is selling her stud because flat out it's extremely expensive to pay them into incentives, advertise, prove them, prove their offspring, and foot the bill of all that goes with a stallion station stay etc Was this an article? I’d love to read it
She posted it on facebook
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Location: Carpenter, WY | OregonBR - 2018-10-23 11:11 AM Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on.
ditto to this. If you don't believe in him enough to breed your own mares to asap, no one else will. |
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Location: OH | teehaha - 2018-10-24 12:15 PM OregonBR - 2018-10-23 11:11 AM Breed him. People will always find an excuse not to breed. But the sooner you get foals on the ground the better. Another reason is, he may not sire what you want (quality) the sooner you know, the sooner you can geld him and move on. ditto to this. If you don't believe in him enough to breed your own mares to asap, no one else will.
Yep--I bred my two best mares to my one stud when he was two. They foaled when he was three and were out winning and my stud was only 7. If you completely wait till a stud is proven in the barrel pen to breed---his Get will not hit the pen till he is 10-11 years old. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | I understand owners wanting to breed their young 2yo stallions to get foals on the ground quickly. However, I have a nice 3yo stallion and I'm not sure if I will even breed him as a 4yo...........WHY??? because I want to make sure I have the training/hauling in him FIRST before opening the "stud" door. Some stud colts can handle starting their breeding career plus staying in training/hauling and some can't. I think it depends on the colt and how studdish they act from a young age.
IMO, if a stallion can breed a lot of mares and be a stud, he is not going to act like a gelding. A mild mannered stud will have a hard time collecting and "surviving" the breeding season. It drives me crazy when mare owners state that they only want to breed to a stallion that acts like a gelding..............they have obviously never tried to get through a breeding season with a stallion....the stallion sure as hell better not act like a mild mannered gelding.
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