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| What should we be able to post on BHW. We need your opinions.
Recently we froze a thread about an 11 year old. I want your opinion about topics like this and when is a topic “off limits”. Should everything be posted on the internet? When is it appropriate, and when is it not? What’s your opinion? |
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| Maybe we should limit it to BARREL RACING. Just a thought. |
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| Hard lines are very difficult to draw. I believe people should be able to share their opinions, but I think their real name should be posted next to the comment. |
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| I like being able to discuss everything ... not just barrel racing.. I get this is a barrel forum but I feel there is such a good group of knowledgeable people on that can share opinions and offer advice on just about anything. My thoughts on the 11 yr old... we all know who it is, it's been shared on fb and beyond by now so it's no secret about it. I think as long as you leave the persons name out of it, it should be ok. It's not too incredibly difficult to find out information on just about anybody these days, I feel this place shouldn't be any different.. just my humble opinion, of course! |
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Location: Deep South | No. Everything certainly should not be posted on the internet. There are times when it's inappropriate. Said 11 yo's video should have never been posted and saying it was inappropriate is an understatement. However, in my opinion discussing a video and/or post in response to that video on a public forum that was voluntarily posted on social media for the entire world to see is not inappropriate.
And because I agree with Whiteboy, I'll sign my name. ;)
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Location: Texas | It's tricky. I agree good call to freeze that thread.. enough damage has been done on FB and she is a minor, a really young minor... doesn't need to be the source of any more social media drama.
But IDK if any hard rules should be placed. |
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| This isn't our first go-round with what can and can't be posted on BHW. I understand that there are legal angles which take some of the fun out of stuff (David??). But we, as members, have to abide by what BHW can and cannot allow on its site.
My personal opinion is that free speech is very important and anything up to the legal limit should be allowed. You get to know peeps pretty good by observing how far they push limits.
The brave
The crowd
The foolish
The offended
The offensive
We all have a bit of each, right?
Dave and BHW - you have done such a great job over the years. Love that you are still asking opinions instead of just making new rules! |
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Location: CTX | Emotions can run high, and typed words cannot always accurately express the sentiments behind them, so some people might get upset because they feel attacked while that was not the intention of the writer.
That being said, I love that this is a horse forum but also like the fact that we can talk about just about everything under the sun.
As long as we keep it respectful! I can (and sometimes will... ) disagree with others, but can still respect their opinions.
I have seen the video's and I feel she is a product of her environment. When her dad started defending her and saying he was proud of her he only put oil on the fire. She will keep doing this until mom and dad get a reality check, and if that happens the fight will be on to get her back on track. If they don't see the issues at hand here I think her future will be a very difficult one.
I for one feel sorry for her, she is way too immature to be able to handle the backlash her actions will have. And maybe spin totally out of control because of it. She is still only 11!! People really do good to remember that and not attack her online.... they are doing the same thing as her... bully someone online.... with the exception that most comments I read are from adults that should know better.....
Just MHO.
But back to your question Dave, I feel as long as people are discussing the matter at hand like adults, and not start name calling or bullying the people they disagree with I think the thread should stay open for comments.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall from past issues that if someone gets nasty their comment can be deleted. So that might be a way how we can still keep the discussion going, but also keep it nice.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | When videos are posted for the whole world to see it was made public and that was not appropriate so of course its going to be talked about when alot of kids and adults looked up to that someone. Not everything should be made public or posted on the internet. Some just showed their true colors posting videos of themselves. edit to add" Glad I got to see the true colors on this one, was really an eye opener..
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2018-11-14 10:16 AM
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Location: Northeast SD | I honestly think that we, as adults, should be able to monitor ourselves and realize, that although that video was inappropriate for anyone, we should stop adding to the drama and bullying her for bullying others.
With that being said we obviously can't monitor ourselves and keep from throwing in our 2 cents. I think once you believe it is very obvious bullying and could ruin anyone's reputation any further than it has been on other forms of social media it needs to be shut down. |
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| It’s a tough call. I do think kids should be off limits to a certain extent. After all, they are minors. But with that said, the kids parents are the ones that put the kid in the spotlight. Whenever someone is in the spotlight, they are under the microscope and parents should realize that.
What I do find to be sad is the judgement on the child. Let’s face it, any child from the age of newborn to 15 or 16...those kids are a direct product of their environment. The PARENTS aren’t parenting if the child is a hot mess. Maybe they are the ones that should be held accountable instead of the kid. |
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Location: Kansas | I have no idea what the 11-year-old post was about. Missed that and I'm glad.
If you limit this forum to barrel racing and horses, you'll lose half your folks. There are simply the same subjects over and over and over again. You can only talk about leg wraps and what you feed your horse just so often. Look how much interest the Kavanaugh hearings generated and the Migrant Caravan. It's a great way for people to learn what's going on. If there's a little hostility here and there, such is the world. It doesn't happen often and happens on the barrel racing threads as well. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Just another thought, I think what happen on that one video of the 11 year old was that alot of folks had her high up on a pedestal because of a great coming up barrel racer she has become alot were in total shock of the things she said and how she was acting, so alot of us were in shock mode. Such a shame for her.I know I was in shock . 
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2018-11-14 11:03 AM
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Location: The Lone Star State | If people had not been allowed to "discuss" little miss high and mighty then her sponsors might never have been made aware of what they were promoting. While "hear say" and defamation should not be allowed, that was not "hear say" when she herself made those videos public therefore public knowledge and open to scrutiny and should be allowed. JMO |
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Location: WYOMING | She is 11. Little girls that age, and especially ones with very poor role models, have no clue the long term, far reaching repurcussions a video like that can have.
Just because it was posted does not mean it should be fair game for further discussion. Adults should make better choices and choose not to perpetuate the problem she has caused for herself.
JMO
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| I don't agree with bullying anyone. I would also normally agree that minors are off limits but this thing has gone completely viral elsewhere, and it did not start here. We just touched on the subject. Discussing it may have helped some of us realize we need to be careful with our own kids when it comes to social media. I do like to come here and discuss topics with my peers. I have been able to clear up lots of "hearsay" about things going on in the industry because we have so many well informed folks on this forum. I feel if we are discussing topics and our opinions based on FACTS, we should be able to do so. Anyone getting too nasty should be subject to having their comments deleted. I love this forum because its a safe place where we can discuss things that isnt WIDE OPEN like FB and other platforms.
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Never miss a good chance to shut up.
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| I'm getting a constant theme that:
1. We are more than just barrel racing, we are a barrel racing community, that likes talking about and sharing many different topics. It's fun and I agree.
2. Most of us seem to agree that children probably need to be protected from themselves. But if they never "get in trouble" how do they learn?
With that said, when do we stop a thread?
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| I’ll be honest - I actually deleted Facebook off my phone last night because of the whole thing. I’d been considering it for a while because of the time suck it was becoming but watching how grown adults were treating an 11 year old girl made me realize how little I really want to have anything to do with social media these days. I’ll use the platform from the laptop to post items for sale - people can send me a message or call me. Their loss if they can’t read the whole ad and see I won’t reply to comments frequently.
Keyboard warriors who have never parented or haven’t parented in decades and had to deal with children in the world today willing to absolutely tear into a young child who is already being bullied, who have no clue what it’s like to have that kind of a spotlight on you. The same people who will turn around and share anti bullying messages. Just made me want to scream.
None of that is my feeling on the actual video or her fathers response, just my feeling on people’s reaction. I should hope some folks never find themselves inhabiting a glass house.
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| DaveM - 2018-11-14 12:16 PM I'm getting a constant theme that:
1. We are more than just barrel racing, we are a barrel racing community, that likes talking about and sharing many different topics. It's fun and I agree.
2. Most of us seem to agree that children probably need to be protected from themselves. But if they never "get in trouble" how do they learn?
With that said, when do we stop a thread?
I think you guys have done a great job at knowing when it's time to stop. Judgement is always going to be part of a forum like this. Sometimes you have to pull the dogs off, no matter how much blood they smell. |
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| geronabean - 2018-11-14 10:53 AM She is 11. Little girls that age, and especially ones with very poor role models, have no clue the long term, far reaching repurcussions a video like that can have. Just because it was posted does not mean it should be fair game for further discussion. Adults should make better choices and choose not to perpetuate the problem she has caused for herself. JMO
I 100% agree with geronabean, what she said about her having no clue about the long term repercussions is not an opinion it is actually a fact. She does not have a brain that is developed enough to understand this at her age. I don't think a child is born this way, I think she was developed by her role models and parents. I do not think that a social media crucifying will fix the problem, I actually think it is a form of bulling in its own way. I think if you feel the need to judge, jury, and convict someone then the parents are the ones you should be turning your anger towards. I used it as a learning experienced and made my children watch it, whatever her reasons for acting that way children need to understand social media is not the place and to be very careful about your actions on there, how you may feel or act in the moment may not be the same way you feel in a day, an hour, or even 5 minutes. |
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