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  That's White "Man" to You
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| What is the most you have ever paid for an entry fee in an open race? Would you be willing to pay a higher fee for a higher payout? |
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 Witty Enough
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Location: CTX | The most I've paid for 1 single open run was $250. Back in the WBR days when there were 6 trucks up for grabs. |
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 Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | Booger’s races were 150 with two runs. I remember those trucks. I miss those races. |
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Location: Illinois | Most I've paid was $275, but you got 3 runs for that. I think your answer about higher fees/higher payback will depend on the division people fall in. A 1/2D rider will probably happily pay higher, the 1D in my area tends at a regular weekend race tends to have 5-6 people, 2D will have double/triple that, and then the other 50 horses in the back fight for the last 2 divisions. We pay a $25-30 fee even if it's $100 added, most times 1st in the 4D doesn't even cover your entry/office fees for the day. You're basically going for the fun of it at that point. Last time I won the 4D at a $500 added race I still came out upside down on my day. If I had a better shot to win, like the 1/2D horses I'd probably pay more, but I think a lot of the back of the pack might be deterred by higher fees. We had a local place start charging $10 jumpout fee, plus $5 office fee for day riders per horses and boy the number of people that pull in for the day went drastically down. And that place is where we have some of the biggest payouts of the whole NBHA season. I live 20 miles away and just started stalling for the weekend because it was cheaper to stay |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | Anymore it had better be something special with great added money and over the moon trinkets like trucks to get very many for a real high entry fee and then the excess fees had better be minimal. Alot of people are tired of being feed to death and I'm seeing a sharp decline in middle of the road races on entries. Your $5000 added races with 3 runs at $75 plus office/processing fee plus stall fees is a $1000 weekend in nothing flat and if someone is not on a top 1D horse and falling in the cracks they can't afford to many of those weekends and they start staying close to home and run for $50. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| What would you expect for a $1,500 entry fee? |
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Location: Missouri | I'm a total weekend warrior at this point in my life. I have a 3d horse so its p re try well my chance if I win money or not....needless to say, I'm quite happy with my 30 dollar fees to run locally. When my kids are older and I have more time to travel, if I ever had a 1d2d horse, that may change. As of now, I dont think I'd pay more than 60, and only in an arena I knew my horse ran well in. |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2018-12-19 2:22 PM
Most I've paid was $275, but you got 3 runs for that. I think your answer about higher fees/higher payback will depend on the division people fall in. A 1/2D rider will probably happily pay higher, the 1D in my area tends at a regular weekend race tends to have 5-6 people, 2D will have double/triple that, and then the other 50 horses in the back fight for the last 2 divisions. We pay a $25-30 fee even if it's $100 added, most times 1st in the 4D doesn't even cover your entry/office fees for the day. You're basically going for the fun of it at that point. Last time I won the 4D at a $500 added race I still came out upside down on my day. If I had a better shot to win, like the 1/2D horses I'd probably pay more, but I think a lot of the back of the pack might be deterred by higher fees. We had a local place start charging $10 jumpout fee, plus $5 office fee for day riders per horses and boy the number of people that pull in for the day went drastically down. And that place is where we have some of the biggest payouts of the whole NBHA season. I live 20 miles away and just started stalling for the weekend because it was cheaper to stay
Thats crazy!! Last hole in 4D is supposed to get your fees back. |
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| Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 7:18 AM
What would you expect for a $1,500 entry fee?
Slot Race with 100,000 added and 100 percent pay back. |
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| I have paid $1000+for 2 runs that were not 4D format. There was a little added money like maybe $3000. |
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 Miss Laundry Misshap
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| I'm not willing to pay a high entry fee unless I get multiple runs and it's divisional. I don't have a 1D horse, so truly, there are very few races where you can make much money past the 2D payout. The 3,4,5 Ds just aren't worth the higher entries unless there's a pretty decent amount of added.
Heck, I'm looking at futurity entry fees right now and wondering if that's worth it! Does my filly have "it"? Maybe, probably! BUT...am I going to get it out of her?? Who knows...
If I'm paying a 1000+ Entry fee, I want a Sister or a Reddy to ride. Rodeo entry fees aren't even that high. I'd be willing to pay a little more with a 1D consistent horse, but still not 1000. |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| I'm just curious about all this. I've never understood why barrel racers will drive 200 miles to win $500. That isn't even worth most peoples time. Pay a real entry fee and win some real money. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 11:15 AM
I'm just curious about all this. I've never understood why barrel racers will drive 200 miles to win $500. That isn't even worth most peoples time. Pay a real entry fee and win some real money.
Because we're not going to the race with the end result being winning money (most of us). We're going because we love barrel racing. The money is just an added perk. At least it is for me. I would not go to a $1500 entry fee race....I wouldn't even go to a $500 entry fee race even when I had a horse that could outrun anyone. It's just too much pressure on me and my horse for one run. I'd rather go to 5 smaller races and win more. Just my opinion. If entry fees get that high, only the rich will be able to run barrels. |
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| As a 2D-3D sometimes even 4D barrel racer. . .
I do this for fun, I don't do it to make a living on it or expect for my winnings to make my expenses a wash. I completely understand the concept of paying a higher entry fee to win more money - completely get it. I cannot afford to run 2-3 horses for more than what I am already paying ($25-$75/run typically). If I had a 1D horse, I'd risk the $200-$500+ all day long. But I don't, so right now I am just having fun and working on making myself and my horses better than we were the last run we made.
I don't have the fancy therapies (BOT, PHT, Game Ready). I have a simple, "cheap" feeding program. So there really isn't other expenses for me to cut to put more money in my pocket for the higher entry fees.
At a NBHA we had offered a 3D slot race, $100 entry fee and 100% payback. We had to cancel it because only 2 people signed up. |
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Location: North Dakota | Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 11:15 AM I'm just curious about all this. I've never understood why barrel racers will drive 200 miles to win $500. That isn't even worth most peoples time. Pay a real entry fee and win some real money. Nice, this is mostly the reason I don't go to all the "big" races near me, even though I do this for "fun" there still needs to be the possibility of winning back at least entry fees or fuel or stall fees or food......My daughter started the summer with $700 cash in an envelope, she ran 2 horses in open and youth races that were mostly within 100 miles. She received any money that was won above the entry fee for that horse/run. She had $200 left in the envelope at the end of the summer. Yes I paid for fuel and stalls in the 2 places needed. Didn't think losing $500 was too bad for a summers worth of fun, also, she seemed to win a few prizes here and there along with year end awards in the open and youth divisions (5 total prizes which we haven't received yet) of our local NBHA. Most importantly her riding improved ten fold. I do have plans to take her to the Sherry Cervi youth race in MN this spring if we have horses in running shape. "big money" around here means the barrel bash other than that you're traveling 300 miles for the capability of winning $1000. I really don't like being away from home that much to run to the "big money" races for a couple of weekends a summer, they're usually more "downtrodden" than fun. (sounds like I'm rambling but I don't understand running all over the place for a couple hundred bucks won back, stay local and enjoy the ride, gain confidence)
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Miracle in the Making
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| understand i do not barrelrace anymore wheelchairbound but i was *****ing about all the fees in 2000 and 2001 when we stopped
i really had more fun at the federations hows made more money at them oles arena ladies and open
if i could ride today i would not go to a barrel race i would trailride or team pen i like to start on time and around here 3 hrs is rule of thumb
but again i am in a chair and no i am a quad not like ambery who is a para whom i admire greatly |
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 I hate cooking and cleaning
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Location: Jersey Girl | Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 12:15 PM I'm just curious about all this. I've never understood why barrel racers will drive 200 miles to win $500. That isn't even worth most peoples time. Pay a real entry fee and win some real money.
This year I did a monthly weekend series that was 3 hours from me. Since it was my first year back after 3 years and on a new horse, I only entered Masters. I was lucky and got a few checks. Did the winnings pay for the weekend? Nope, not even close. I'm a 4D rider. But its a fun weekend away with friends. Thats why I do it. And I just really love barrel racing. |
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Witty Enough
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Location: CTX | CanCan - 2018-12-19 3:58 PM Booger’s races were 150 with two runs. I remember those trucks. I miss those races.
You are right, the $250 EF might have been one of the last ones he put on, it didn't have trucks but 1 check for 50K that one of the people placing won. I vividly remember cuz we ran on Friday evening, and was sitting perfectly (exaclty 2.5 secs behind the FT) for winning the 6D all weekend! (this was 1 race over 3 days) We even drove back to Waco on Sunday, only to find out someone ran a new FT in the last 25 or so runners, which knocked me out completely... Man, I was pretty bummed out for a little while, cuz I would have gotten a saddle, buckle and a check for $3500..... plus the chance of winning that extra check.
Booger sure put on some epic races!!
Nowadays I like to go to races that keep the EF lower, it does depend on the added money and payout. But in the end it is just a hobby for me. So I am a bit more selective as to where and when I am running.
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 Firecracker Dog Lover
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| Whiteboy - 2018-12-20 7:18 AM What would you expect for a $1,500 entry fee?
I could never afford a $1500 entry fee period, especially for a crap shoot 4 or 5D race when I know I won't be in the 1D. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | I don't think the average barrel racer .....can afford very many of these.......... |
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