Whiteboy - 2019-01-19 9:27 PM

Only if you believe palm readers. 

Gator Bug - 2019-01-20 12:21 PM

I was going to say, depending on what you want in a foal, ASOF or Slick. 

Both are high priced studs (for a reason). 

However, it does depend on what you are looking to get out of the foal. 

 

Gator Bug - 2019-01-20 1:08 PM Yearling sales? Barrel, track, overall performance?  

slacy09 - 2019-01-20 1:26 PM  Barrel racing

Gator Bug - 2019-01-20 1:44 PM


Then, I would stick with one like Slick.

However, another like Slick and with your mare's pedigree, for barrel yearlings, is Blazin Jetolena. Both seem pretty 'user friendly' and seem to put that in their babies. But, right now, Slick is probably in higher demand...but who knows in 2-3 years. 

If you want to sell as yearlings, short/long in age, just make sure you have all the time you can on them from as soon as you can; i.e., manners, standing, loading, farrier...all that good stuff. I have purchased both ways (no handle and with).

Trust me as a few time purchaser of babies...with lots of familiarity and 'handle' is a way better selling point. And it really is just time (and love - for the baby and the 'Process') involved and not too much more money involved.

slacy09 - 2019-01-19 6:29 PM

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dial+a+famous+fancy
 

ehwaz - 2019-01-21 4:17 PM


We’ve been looking at Guys Pocket Coin. You have that line so you might have something good on your hands. Amber Moore bred him to Paige and Ivy Conrado has bred him to JLo so only time will tell if the demand on Queen’s Coin get may rise.

The two I’d seek approval on first are Darkelly or Furyofthewind but I love double bred Dash for Cash horses. Plus, Copper Springs has an amazing incentive program going on their studs.

If you’re interested in resale, you can’t really go wrong with PC Frenchman’s Hayday. I’m also partial to Firewater Fiesta; Epic Leader is one good looking, proven stud whose foals are bound to perform and have resale value, so if I were prioritizing margins, these last two studs would be ones I’d consider given increased demand.

OregonBR - 2019-01-20 12:07 PM Whether you believe anyone has found the genes (and can test for them) that cause the issues that can make a horse unable to function because their muscles don't work or metabolize properly, kidney damage and death. You still have to acknowledge it is genetic. Because the leading researcher says it is = Dr Valberg. Therefore chances are it came from one or both of the horses parents. Read any research at all about how genetics are passed to progeny. He's the parent of just such a horse. In fact more than one. So logically......... Fill in the blank. Just because he's an industry leader, sires some horses with a lot of talent for the job they are asked to do, doesn't mean he's perfect. Example: Doc O Lena had HERDA. Impressive had HYPP. < two of the most historically influential sires for their discipline.

Whiteboy - 2019-01-22 9:16 AM

 Below is a link to the article regardiing Dr. Valberg's research.  Where he says there is no evidence it is genetic.  What other factors could cause it?  Several.  People tend to oversimplify this.  As the article states, "When comparing the genome of one horse to another, there are as many as 17 million genetic variants that make an individual unique. In other words, it is common to find genetic variants between horses, even in important and highly functional genes. It is also common to find genetic variants that are shared between horses. The difficulty with genetic disease research is not in finding variants, but rather is determining whether a specific variant is responsible for a specific disease.".  

Until these tests are scientifically proven they are worthless.  The reason the 5 panel test works is because it is proven to work everytime. This is not the case with Pssm2, 3, 4, x, or any other type. 

https://cvm.msu.edu/research/faculty-research/valberg-laboratory/type-2-polysaccharide-storage-myopathy

 

OregonBR - 2019-01-22 2:02 PM Well first he is a she. And she doesn't say in what you copied and pasted that it isn't genetic. She is totally against any idea that there might be a test based on genetics. Fine. I conceded that point for the sake of finding common ground and said lets look at the rest of the information we do know. PSSM1 IS GENETIC. Since there is a genetic test for it, it's a fact. Yet not all horses with the gene have symptoms (the disease state). Also a fact. Lets discuss for a bit the alternative theory. IF the P2 variants are not genetic, why haven't they come out with ways to prevent or reverse the affects? Why haven't they been able to find a common denominator for the acquisition of these muscle disorders? Like EPM has a protozoa. Lyme disease is from a tick infected with it who bites and spreads the disease. A parasite, virus, bacteria, protozoa? If it's not genetic why are some breeds of horses more likely to have one type of muscle disease but not another. There are several distinctly different types of muscle disease (from Dr Valbergs research). These have been proven by studies (scientifically proven) to be in one breed of horse but not another. Thoroughbreds don't have PSSM1. The one that's tested for by the 5 panel. But they do have some the other types. Scientifically proven by muscle biopsy and clinical disease states. Horses with draft horse breeding (stock horse breeds, warmbloods and many others have a draft horse component in their ancestry) have some of the variants common in draft breeds, while today's pure draft horse breeds have their own specific type of variant not found in stock horse breeds along with the same one that is in stock horse breeds. This is scientifically proven with muscle biopsy and different staining techniques. Warmbloods which are a cross between draft and TB's have both. This is scientifically proven with muscle biopsy and different staining techniques. Whether she or anyone else believes someone has/hasn't surpassed her in her chosen field is irrelevant. If she wants to get butthurt about it, that's her problem and has nothing to do with facts. Cancer and many other common diseases have a genetic component. Fact. You can get a complete genome done on yourself to find a number of different genes that give you a higher likelihood of having disease a or b. Some diseases are recessive and some are dominant. Some don't automatically mean you will get the disease state of that gene. But the likelihood you will get it is higher if you have the gene. https://www.genome.gov/10001204/specific-genetic-disorders/ Finally, I provided a chart from a research paper by Dr Molly McCue where she does pedigree mapping for the non PSSM1 muscle disorders.