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Is the HHA test worth it?

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Wild1
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2019-02-19 2:19 PM
Subject: Is the HHA test worth it?


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Looking for feedback if any of you have done the Horse Hair Analysis testing. Is it really worth the $185? I'm on the fence about it yet. I don't know anyone near me that has done this test either. Thanks for any input!

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roxieannie
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2019-02-19 2:26 PM
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Bear said one time, it is a history of where your horse has been. What are you looking for in this hair test ?  

I got one of my horses hair done.  It showed he was low on Calcium. Even though he was getting alfalfa cube and pellets.  Now he also gets alfalfa hay. 

Normally they cut main hair at withers and cut down to the nub. It hasn’t grown back like it was despite several years gone by. 

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SoDak
Reg. Jan 2013
Posted 2019-02-19 2:36 PM
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Vet says waste of time.. just draw blood.

I skeptical of the fact they are trying to sell you on their supplements.

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Wild1
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2019-02-19 6:41 PM
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Wanted to test overall if 2 of my horses are just "missing" anything..I do have one that gets muscle sore at times, doesn't stride out like I think she should, and is moody. yes I do chiro and vet checks when I feel needed. Also was curious if this test could diagnos if there's ulcers or not

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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2019-02-19 7:24 PM
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Have you tested for PSSM? Or tried a low NSC diet?

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jake16
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2019-02-19 8:35 PM
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Wild1 - 2019-02-19 7:41 PM


Wanted to test overall if 2 of my horses are just "missing" anything..I do have one that gets muscle sore at times, doesn't stride out like I think she should, and is moody. yes I do chiro and vet checks when I feel needed. Also was curious if this test could diagnos if there's ulcers or not


  I would spend the money on pssm.With the muscle soreness,I would go that route immediately. Also,do some research quickly,if your horse is having an episode,and you try to move them,you can kill them.Knowledge is key.

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Wild1
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2019-02-19 10:16 PM
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Have not tested  for PSSM, I've been reading a little on this..is this just a blood test from my local vet? Or does anyplace else test with hair? I feed mostly alfalfa hay, right now it's 50/50 grass/alfalfa. I feed Purina Strategy at 4-5lbs per day per horse. No other supplements except a himalyan salt block

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Wild1
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2019-02-19 10:20 PM
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Also, wanted to add, I have NO experience with PSSM with my horses, so I have no idea what to feed if one is suffering from that..maybe alfalfa hay is bad? I will have to speak to my vet on this topic

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SoDak
Reg. Jan 2013
Posted 2019-02-20 8:07 AM
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Wild1 - 2019-02-19 5:41 PM


Wanted to test overall if 2 of my horses are just "missing" anything..I do have one that gets muscle sore at times, doesn't stride out like I think she should, and is moody. yes I do chiro and vet checks when I feel needed. Also was curious if this test could diagnos if there's ulcers or not


For ulcers I would get them scoped. Only way to tell if they for sure have ulcers and the severity of them which will affect treatment routine. 

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dRowe
Reg. Jan 2017
Posted 2019-02-20 9:42 AM
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I bought a horse over 2 years ago and he came with a big bucket of his supplements based off HHA. He did look amazing, but he was also fed right with high quality hays. I never reordered those supplements....I’ve been tempted to do it again but just don’t see enough convincing reviews of it to spend the money. I did like their ulcer supplement though (exceed??).

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Wild1
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2019-02-20 9:51 AM
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dRowe - 2019-02-20 9:42 AM


I bought a horse over 2 years ago and he came with a big bucket of his supplements based off HHA. He did look amazing, but he was also fed right with high quality hays. I never reordered those supplements....I’ve been tempted to do it again but just don’t see enough convincing reviews of it to spend the money. I did like their ulcer supplement though (exceed??).


I think you're talking Succeed supplement for Ulcers? I have recently been told this is great for maintenance.  Our horses all get very good 2nd cutting alfalfa/grass, not much grain, feeding 6 is pricey with grains. But we do feed the ones we ride some. Thanks

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dRowe
Reg. Jan 2017
Posted 2019-02-20 10:15 AM
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Wild1 - 2019-02-20 10:51 AM


dRowe - 2019-02-20 9:42 AM


I bought a horse over 2 years ago and he came with a big bucket of his supplements based off HHA. He did look amazing, but he was also fed right with high quality hays. I never reordered those supplements....I’ve been tempted to do it again but just don’t see enough convincing reviews of it to spend the money. I did like their ulcer supplement though (exceed??).



I think you're talking Succeed supplement for Ulcers? I have recently been told this is great for maintenance.  Our horses all get very good 2nd cutting alfalfa/grass, not much grain, feeding 6 is pricey with grains. But we do feed the ones we ride some. Thanks


I just googled it (should have done that first - sorry!!). It’s called Excel. 

 

It smells minty and they get the TINIEST scoop of the powder. I don’t use it anymore (I don’t use anything - just alfalfa, timothy and bermuda hays. 

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wishingforsun
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2019-02-20 6:32 PM
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I have used HHA in the past and I was very disappointed in what I received for the money. It comes in a nice report but it is very vague.  

If I was going to have another one tested, I would use Linsey McLean, a biochemist.  About halfway down this page of her website is where the info on hair analysis is, plus a very indepth questionnaire to submit. She charges $75. https://equineplusfeed.com/supplements/

 

 

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lrberry
Reg. Feb 2019
Posted 2019-02-22 12:05 PM
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Check out Simply Equine. Their HHA is only $25. I have not done it myself, but know people who have and were happy with what they got from it.

 

https://www.simplyequine.org/evaluation/



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Liana D
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2019-02-22 12:54 PM
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lrberry - 2019-02-22 12:05 PM


Check out Simply Equine. Their HHA is only $25. I have not done it myself, but know people who have and were happy with what they got from it.


 


https://www.simplyequine.org/evaluation/


There’s a big difference between Dr DePaolo’s HHA and Simply Equine’s.

DePaolo’s is an actual chemical/mineral analysis.

Simply Equine uses dowsing .

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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2019-02-22 1:22 PM
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Wild1 - 2019-02-19 10:16 PM

Have not tested  for PSSM, I've been reading a little on this..is this just a blood test from my local vet? Or does anyplace else test with hair? I feed mostly alfalfa hay, right now it's 50/50 grass/alfalfa. I feed Purina Strategy at 4-5lbs per day per horse. No other supplements except a himalyan salt block

There are two tests. One is a muscle biopsy that is minimally invasive and the other is a genetic test. One form, PSSM 1 is genetic and the other may or may not be genetic (we don’t have a genetic test anyway that is proven). A muscle biopsy is really the best way to know. The vet can look under a microscope and see if there is starch that is knotting the muscles by clumping up. That is why you feed them a low NSC (non soluble carbohydrates) diet. You are trying to give them less starch/carbohydrates so they don’t have the muscle clumps which is what makes them so body sore and often ****y.  Essentially you are feeding them a low carb diet, something below 11 percent NSC ideally. There are special formulated feeds just for this. Check out purinas well solve feeds since you are already feeding purina. 

ETA the genetic test can be done through AQHA. You just pull some hair. But it won’t give you an answer if she has pssm 2. Only a biopsy can do that.



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Wild1
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2019-02-23 8:30 PM
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Thanks everyone, I've learned alot from this post. Also, does anyone know if Renew Gold Feed is definetly a low starch feed for something like my situation?

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Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2019-02-23 10:37 PM
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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-02-24 9:40 AM
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Wild1 - 2019-02-19 10:20 PM


Also, wanted to add, I have NO experience with PSSM with my horses, so I have no idea what to feed if one is suffering from that..maybe alfalfa hay is bad? I will have to speak to my vet on this topic


Look into Bluebonnets Ex-Factor Low Strach NSC% 10

and Triple Crowns Low Strach NSC% 13.5

Triple Crown Lite NSC%9.3

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-02-24 9:51 AM
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Wild1 - 2019-02-23 8:30 PM


Thanks everyone, I've learned alot from this post. Also, does anyone know if Renew Gold Feed is definetly a low starch feed for something like my situation?


Go to Renew Gold's website and read and it tells a little about Pssm and other problems.. 

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