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I came across this horse for sale, who has been with this trainer for the past six months. I'm just curious what the purpose is of him constantly bumping the bit with the reins? My guess is he's trying to keep the horse in a "collected" frame, even though he's not truly collected?

I am not a trainer by any stretch, so I'd love some insight from those who are more experienced.

I'm curious to read the replies to this one. He's trying to keep him bumped behind the vertical, but man is he annoying. Is this a cutting thing? They are bumped in WP and reining somewhat, but not nearly this much.

It was really hard for me to watch the whole thing, I can't help but think how miserable the horse must be. Maybe I'm missing something.

I would guess it must be a cutting thing. The person who used to keep her horse at my place came from the cutting world and rode like that all the time.  All. The. Time. And then wondered why her mare got hot in the alley with her pulling like that when the mare wanted to move freely forward.

But she thought that was the only right way for a horse to move. If I'd've wanted to have been confrontational I would have videod her and shown her that her horse was also not in frame. Every tool was used to keep that nose in. The horse was never allowed to work freely at any gait. But what do I know . . 

I'm not an expert by any means but honestly it doesn't look like him bumping the horse is really doing anything, other than being extremely annoying. 

Good gravy that was almost painful to watch. I'm not a pro here but pretty sure what was really accomplished accomplished here was annoying the crap out of that horse. 

I was trying to remember where I've seen extreme "bumping" before and I want to say it was in western pleasure waaaaay back when.. I remember a trainer hollering over and over "bump him, bump him" ... 

He was basically just picking on him. He has the horse wadded up. When the horse tried to drop his head and relax, the guy probably felt like he was speeding up, hollowing his back and getting out of that wadded up frame. It served no purpose other than to just pick on the horse.

Ok, that's exactly what it looked like to me, that the horse truly wasn't doing anything wrong. I thought the trainer was being a little excessive, but wanted to get opinions from more knowlegeable people :)

I believe he's trying to get him to give to his face and drop his head, and probably slow his legs which would only happen if he collected up. But he's out of balance so his legs are moving faster and the gentleman is just asking from the front end rather than asking from the belly so... it just looks more annoying than anything. 

Is this a trainer we would know?

The horse is actually trying to be collected, every time he drops his head and starts reaching into the bridle and into frame the man bumps his reins up and gives him mixed signals.  I’ve been taking lessons on how to get my horses more soft and collected with a reining trainer and from what I’ve learned and can see in the video he’s giving mixed signals.  You should only ask for more collection/pressure if he starts raising his head and hollowing his back but this man does it as the horse is trying to get into a relaxed and collected gait.  I use leg pressure and if they don’t respond to legs you use rein pressure as soon as the horse drops you should release and give it back, that’s how they learn from release of pressure, this poor horse has many mixed signals.  

I dabbled in the cutting world and the horses were always ridden "thrown away." You leave the reins loose and just ride them without messing with them. This looks like more show pen, WP type stuff. Just someone who doesn't know what they're doing looks like 

I've watched NCHA hall of fame riders at cuttings and have never seen this. . .  I feel bad; I liked the way the horse looked.  

Not a fan at all.

He's continually asking the horse to be in a "headset" but he is doing nothing about engaging the horse's body. He's teaching this horse to have a false headseat, with weight on the front end and hollowed back.

This will be a horse that learns to carry his nose on his chest to get away from that annoying bumping and not learn to steer properly or how to use his body correctly.

Of course, it won't be the horse's fault......

Quite frankly this sale video lost me at the martingale on a leverage bit before he even got on the pick at that horse. 

Who is this man anyway? I need to look him up and ask him to come on here to explain his training, every one trains different so he may have his reasons for doing what hes doing and can explain why since a lot of folks dont seem to agree with his way..I try not to be judgemental of others but I know sometimes its hard to just keep quite, but really the horse looks really nice to me, I see nothing wrong with a man that has a different way of doing things.. I bet if everyone posted a video of their training not everyone is going to agree with what they are doing. Just my 2 cents

Nice gelding. My guess is they're selling him because he's not taking to Western pleasure as quickly as they had hoped.  He's still moving his feet a bit quicker than wp people like and he wants to carry himself higher than they like.

Whatever this guys reason for constantly bumping that poor horse’s mouth, it wasn’t a good one. There’s *never* a reason to purposely put a horse behind the vertical and there’s definitely no reason to bump and nag them like that.

Have you guys never watched western pleasure riders exercise their horses? They ALL ride just like this. Its terrible.