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okhorselover
Reg. Feb 2016
Posted 2019-05-04 7:00 PM
Subject: The Derby



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First off I am not a racing expert by any means, but JMHO, I think for the first time in derby history, this race was won by politics. Very sad day in horse racing  :(

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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2019-05-04 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: The Derby


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At first I did, too. But once I cooled off I realized that rules are rules. But that doesn’t mean I am still disappointed at the outcome.  

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aqhabarrelchic1
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2019-05-04 8:34 PM
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2019-05-04 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: The Derby



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I disagree. We watched too that video from different angles on the screen too. We all saw the obvious interference. One trainer made a good point. On any other race day the winner would have been dq’ed with very little fuss for the same thing. Is Maximum Security an awesome horse who led wire to wire. Yes. Did he jump a puddle or veer out about five wide and nearly cause a tremendous wreck about banging into two horses definitely getting right in front of and on top of another. Yes.  Rules are rules. People in general don’t like to see their favorites impacted. But it was a fair call and there is plenty of video evidence and thousands of other everyday races to set as a precedent to prove it.

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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2019-05-05 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby



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https://www.horseracingnation.com/blogs/letswastemoney/Kentucky_Derby_Maximum_Security_disqualification_the_right_call_123

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vjls
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2019-05-05 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby


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when i saw him move over i thought ohoho   it could have been bad  totally agree however in my peabody brain    if if if he had not moved over he would have won by several more lenght  they were not gonna catch him  even the jock sad me moved nothing the jock could have done prevent it happening  justy my 2 cents

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-05-05 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby



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No Politics, just a race with a unfortunate event that happen, was nobodys fault. I thought the Jocky did a great job of getting Maximum Security straighten back out.

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NJJ
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2019-05-05 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby


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Country House will always be known as the "Winner by Default" of the 2019 Kentucky Derby. I shouldn't be too upset. it moved my "pick" up a place ...... 2nd - Code of Honor!

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Frodo
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2019-05-05 12:09 PM
Subject: RE: The Derby


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Three year olds on a sloppy track is a bad scenario.  I think it was a sad turn of events but it looked like a good call to me too.  

 

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Mighty Broke
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2019-05-05 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: The Derby



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Stinks for those involved but it was the right call.

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hotpaints
Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2019-05-05 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: The Derby


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Everyone in TB racing should be Thanking the Powers that Be!!!! This could have been devasting for Jockeys and Horses. All I can see/think about is that horse going down, surely the jockey would have been killed, then most of the other horses going down and who know what the death toll would have been for jockeys and horses.

I don't buy the comment from the jockey saying the noise from the crowd caused the horse to move over...........horses move away from whatever scares them.

If it was caused by the Jockey or the horse just moved over, just be greatful that all made it through that race by the Grace of God.



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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2019-05-05 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: The Derby



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NJJ - 2019-05-05 11:40 AM


Country House will always be known as the "Winner by Default" of the 2019 Kentucky Derby. I shouldn't be too upset. it moved my "pick" up a place ...... 2nd - Code of Honor!


That's exactly what I told Sean, winner by default is what he's gonna be called. . . Like someone else said, I'm so very thankful because this could have been devastation beyond belief.   Good Lord blessed everyone (4 and 2 legged both) when they all walked off that track rather than being trucked off.  

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SC Wrangler
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2019-05-05 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: The Derby


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When there is interference the horse at fault is taken down. Politics played no part in the decision that was made. It happens daily at tracks around the world.  It is unfortunate that it happened in the Derby, but the stewards made the correct call.  It is very fortunate that a tee-total wreck that could have been devastating for many horses and jockeys did not happen, because it very well could have.  

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OhMax
Reg. Feb 2013
Posted 2019-05-06 6:55 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby


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I feel that if the connections of Will of War had lodged the inquiry - we wouldn’t be having nearly as much conversation about it.  The interference was clear.  The fact that the connections of Country House were the ones to lodge the inquiry is what gets my goat a little.

I think the call was the right one.  The stewards were in a very difficult spot once the inquiry was lodged.  

Had they not DQ’d Maximum Security would we be here talking about how big names trainers and prodigy undefeated colts get to bend the rules and screw the little guy?

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horsegirl
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2019-05-06 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby



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I thought it was unfair as well until a horse racing industry friend of mine posted screen captures from the race to show how the pink silks BEHIND the leader was interefered with. Their legs were intertwined, and the following horse was even almost sideways at one point trying to keep himself upright. It was a dangerous situation. Once I saw those views (the newscasters made it sound like the leader just veered out, which pushed 20 to the outside a little and I didnt really understand what was so bad about that) it made sense to me...he broke rules...he could have caused a disaster. He may have been the best and fastest horse, but he did something wrong--intentionally or not.

 

As for that jockey---I'd hate to be him right now.

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horsegirl
Reg. Feb 2004
Posted 2019-05-06 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby



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OhMax - 2019-05-06 7:55 AM


I feel that if the connections of Will of War had lodged the inquiry - we wouldn’t be having nearly as much conversation about it.  The interference was clear.  The fact that the connections of Country House were the ones to lodge the inquiry is what gets my goat a little.


I think the call was the right one.  The stewards were in a very difficult spot once the inquiry was lodged.  


Had they not DQ’d Maximum Security would we be here talking about how big names trainers and prodigy undefeated colts get to bend the rules and screw the little guy?


Agree. That is what confused me. And the commentators only spoke about Country House, not the horse that was really effected. My racing friend says any trainer in that race could have the objection, and it made the most sense for Country House trainer to do so, because he could have won.

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streakysox
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2019-05-06 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby



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Can someone explain to me how the lanes are marked on the track?  Would that mean that the number 21 horse should be on the outside rail while he appears to be on the inside rail?

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CHASIN CANS
Reg. Nov 2018
Posted 2019-05-06 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/disqualified-inside-the-historic-decision-that-shocked-the-kentucky-derby/ar-AAAUyCe?ocid=spartandhp  

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/opinion-maximum-security-was-robbed-at-kentucky-derby-yet-another-black-eye-in-horse-racing/ar-AAAVl5d?ocid=spartanntp&fbclid=IwAR1MGLGRfQuN4AKqBd8HFTUU7Fc0KbFSJaIpt_UCnogvIhD_yKpOV6NH3QA

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Whiteboy
Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2019-05-06 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby


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NJJ - 2019-05-05 11:40 AM


Country House will always be known as the "Winner by Default" of the 2019 Kentucky Derby. I shouldn't be too upset. it moved my "pick" up a place ...... 2nd - Code of Honor!


Default or not I'd be happy winning $1.8M.  Take it and sell him.  

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MOGirl07
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2019-05-06 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: The Derby



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One of my FB friends shared an article explaining Level 1 and Level 2 rules in horse racing and how outside of the US and Canada, Maximum Security would not have been DQ'd. US and Canada follow Level 2 rules, which state that if a horse interferes with any other horse they're DQ'd. Level 1 rules state that the horse is only DQ'd if interferes with a horse winning, I think? Something along those lines. So in other words, since Maximum Security did not interfere with Country House, he would not have been DQ'd if the US followed  Level 1 rules. But I can't find it to share the link with you all. 

Maybe someone else here has read the article and will share. 

Like others, it really bothers me that it wasn't the owner/jockey of the horse that Max interfered with that lodged the complaint, but rather those who simply benefited from him being DQ'd but weren't affected by his interference at all. 



Edited by MOGirl07 2019-05-06 9:43 AM
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