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     Location: Cody, WY | There is a veterinarian in Kansas that is encouraging his clients to do multiple nerve blocks on obvious hoof abscess type symptoms, or when client asks for farrier Xray views. Ok... so that seems like bad business, but the part that I believe is negligent is that he doesn't check to see if his blocks are good or not, and then he keeps doing nerve blocks up the leg which is a hefty bill. I believe that he is not doing good nerve blocks on purpose. I believe that this is malpractice. Thoughts? Opinions? |
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| Well, that’s why they call it “ practice” lol. If that was my horse, I would be asking a lot of questions as he is working on my horse. If I was not satisfied with the answers I would leave. |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Sounds like you are really unhappy with something this vet did or did'nt do, are you planning on trying to sue this vet?  |
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     Location: Cody, WY | No, I'm asking how people feel about vets that purposefully alter results to get more money. |
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     Location: Cody, WY | Or have any experiences like this ? I also have had a vet falsifiy lab results, and caught him in it by calling the lab, and he never took ownership of it. |
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       Location: Mountains of VA | There are just as many "shady" vets as there are human Drs. |
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     Location: Cody, WY | hotpaints - 2019-05-19 3:50 PM
There are just as many "shady" vets as there are human Drs.
Yes, I agree. But much more closlely monitor by the insurance companies. Those insurance companies will do anything to get out of paying the bill. |
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      Location: Tulsa, Ok | This is why every individual needs to educate themselves and become a vigilent and discerning consumer regardless of the product. It is very easy to screw over a passive victim. Not so easy if you are willing to question and advocate on your own or your animals behalf. After all you are controlling the purse strings. |
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       Location: Kansas | Unless you have been at the appointments it is heresay
I have been involved with horses most of my life and still have trouble relaying what the vet explained to me a few hours later to a friend. I feel there are a few vets who should not be, but if you make a statement like that we need some proof to back it up |
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| I had a vet repeatedly send stallion shipments that had no semen in them NONE! She said that they had been mishandled and was not responsible for anything after it left her facility. When the stallion owner was contacted, he sided with the vet and cussed two of us out. Finally gave up and had to do an “emergency” booking to another stallion. Funny thing, about a year later the stallion owner figured out what was going on and felt he was such a victim. We tried to tell him. Not the end of the story! I bought a brood mare from about 1000 miles from me. They had bred to the same stallion and had the same problem with the vet and semen. Very expensive lesson. |
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     Location: Cody, WY | OeI agree all the way. My point I'm making is not everyone is going to have the knowledge of a veterinarian. A lot of people will learn through years and years of experience. But who is holding veterinarians accountable? If I wouldn't of had a background in health care, I wouldn't of caught the false lab results. I would of believed my vet. Im very grateful I found one I can trust.
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     Location: Cody, WY | Sangria - 2019-05-19 9:16 PM
Unless you have been at the appointments it is heresay
I have been involved with horses most of my life and still have trouble relaying what the vet explained to me a few hours later to a friend.
I feel there are a few vets who should not be, but if you make a statement like that we need some proof to back it up
I've seen first hand. I believe to successfully prove malpractice the animal will have to be harmed in some way. With multiple unnecessary needle sticks it's only a matter of time before someone's horse gets an infection. I shared my story with a couple friends, and they told me they had similar experiences. That's when I started questing who is holding them accountable? |
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| I have had many negative experiences with vets that led to firing the vet or service, but none that would qualify for malpractice. Tho giving a lutealase shot after only a cursory glance at the uterus (looking for a pregnancy) is pretty close. Malpractice is blatant disregard for standard practices. Running up the bill is common. It's as wrong as anything malpractice, imo, but not illegal. Hmm, let's use a gallon bag to clean a mare instead of the standard bag?? Let's make the client fearful of horrible things to come if they don't have us out at least 4 times a year for shots and teeth and other services that may or may not be needed? Chiros that use a pen to get a response on a horses back and then talk the client into many 'adjustments' on the horse - when ANY horse will respond to a pen run down its back? The list is endless on this subject . . Misdiagnosis is also pretty common, sometimes from lack of footwork (labwork, xrays, etc.). But also sometimes from lack of equine medical technology to definitively diagnose so many of the issues equines can suffer from. |
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| lonely va barrelxr - 2019-05-20 9:47 AM
I have had many negative experiences with vets that led to firing the vet or service, but none that would qualify for malpractice. Tho giving a lutealase shot after only a cursory glance at the uterus (looking for a pregnancy) is pretty close.
Malpractice is blatant disregard for standard practices.
Running up the bill is common. It's as wrong as anything malpractice, imo, but not illegal. Hmm, let's use a gallon bag to clean a mare instead of the standard bag?? Let's make the client fearful of horrible things to come if they don't have us out at least 4 times a year for shots and teeth and other services that may or may not be needed? Chiros that use a pen to get a response on a horses back and then talk the client into many 'adjustments' on the horse - when ANY horse will respond to a pen run down its back? The list is endless on this subject . .
Misdiagnosis is also pretty common, sometimes from lack of footwork (labwork, xrays, etc.). But also sometimes from lack of equine medical technology to definitively diagnose so many of the issues equines can suffer from.
Agree!!! I had a vet once charge me 20.00 PER ROLL of vet wrap they used after injecting my horses joints. Read the bill and the total was like 80.00 for 4 rolls. I refused to pay it and went to my trailer and grabbed four rolls of vet wrap and handed them to her. Never used her again. |
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     Location: N Texas | FLITASTIC - 2019-05-20 12:29 PM
lonely va barrelxr - 2019-05-20 9:47 AM
I have had many negative experiences with vets that led to firing the vet or service, but none that would qualify for malpractice. Tho giving a lutealase shot after only a cursory glance at the uterus (looking for a pregnancy) is pretty close.
Malpractice is blatant disregard for standard practices.
Running up the bill is common. It's as wrong as anything malpractice, imo, but not illegal. Hmm, let's use a gallon bag to clean a mare instead of the standard bag?? Let's make the client fearful of horrible things to come if they don't have us out at least 4 times a year for shots and teeth and other services that may or may not be needed? Chiros that use a pen to get a response on a horses back and then talk the client into many 'adjustments' on the horse - when ANY horse will respond to a pen run down its back? The list is endless on this subject . .
Misdiagnosis is also pretty common, sometimes from lack of footwork (labwork, xrays, etc.). But also sometimes from lack of equine medical technology to definitively diagnose so many of the issues equines can suffer from.
Agree!!! I had a vet once charge me 20.00 PER ROLL of vet wrap they used after injecting my horses joints. Read the bill and the total was like 80.00 for 4 rolls. I refused to pay it and went to my trailer and grabbed four rolls of vet wrap and handed them to her. Never used her again.
When I was young and naive, I had a horse cut the inside of his front knee. Honestly nothing bad, but trying to be vigilant, I took him to the vet just to make sure. They cleaned the cut, put some medicine on it, then wrapped basically his whole leg in a bandage. Bill came to at least $150. Lookng back, they truly could have told me to just keep it clean and put some medicine on it, but I guess he felt like he had to do something to make it worth me coming there and applied this ridiculous, unnecessary bandage. I was too passive to argue about it so just paid and left. I seriously couldn't believe they charged that much for a bandage. No sedation, stitches, or anything, just a bandage. I definitely learned my lesson on that one! |
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     Location: N Texas | FLITASTIC - 2019-05-20 12:29 PM
lonely va barrelxr - 2019-05-20 9:47 AM
I have had many negative experiences with vets that led to firing the vet or service, but none that would qualify for malpractice. Tho giving a lutealase shot after only a cursory glance at the uterus (looking for a pregnancy) is pretty close.
Malpractice is blatant disregard for standard practices.
Running up the bill is common. It's as wrong as anything malpractice, imo, but not illegal. Hmm, let's use a gallon bag to clean a mare instead of the standard bag?? Let's make the client fearful of horrible things to come if they don't have us out at least 4 times a year for shots and teeth and other services that may or may not be needed? Chiros that use a pen to get a response on a horses back and then talk the client into many 'adjustments' on the horse - when ANY horse will respond to a pen run down its back? The list is endless on this subject . .
Misdiagnosis is also pretty common, sometimes from lack of footwork (labwork, xrays, etc.). But also sometimes from lack of equine medical technology to definitively diagnose so many of the issues equines can suffer from.
Agree!!! I had a vet once charge me 20.00 PER ROLL of vet wrap they used after injecting my horses joints. Read the bill and the total was like 80.00 for 4 rolls. I refused to pay it and went to my trailer and grabbed four rolls of vet wrap and handed them to her. Never used her again.
Well it was really $5 per roll, plus a $15 application fee  |
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| Gunner11 - 2019-05-20 10:57 AM
FLITASTIC - 2019-05-20 12:29 PM
lonely va barrelxr - 2019-05-20 9:47 AM
I have had many negative experiences with vets that led to firing the vet or service, but none that would qualify for malpractice. Tho giving a lutealase shot after only a cursory glance at the uterus (looking for a pregnancy) is pretty close.
Malpractice is blatant disregard for standard practices.
Running up the bill is common. It's as wrong as anything malpractice, imo, but not illegal. Hmm, let's use a gallon bag to clean a mare instead of the standard bag?? Let's make the client fearful of horrible things to come if they don't have us out at least 4 times a year for shots and teeth and other services that may or may not be needed? Chiros that use a pen to get a response on a horses back and then talk the client into many 'adjustments' on the horse - when ANY horse will respond to a pen run down its back? The list is endless on this subject . .
Misdiagnosis is also pretty common, sometimes from lack of footwork (labwork, xrays, etc.). But also sometimes from lack of equine medical technology to definitively diagnose so many of the issues equines can suffer from.
Agree!!! I had a vet once charge me 20.00 PER ROLL of vet wrap they used after injecting my horses joints. Read the bill and the total was like 80.00 for 4 rolls. I refused to pay it and went to my trailer and grabbed four rolls of vet wrap and handed them to her. Never used her again.
Well it was really $5 per roll, plus a $15 application fee 
Looking back this was in an area of CA that is very very wealthy ( Not me, but the area..LOL) and on most service calls, she probably just writes the bill and the owner pays it no questions asked. SHe almost was insulted and didn't accept my 4 rolls but vet wrap is vet wrap in the same packaging. LOL |
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| IDK about shady veterinarians but about a month ago my mare colic and I called about 10 different veterinarians around the area. Not a ONE called me back. I was so frustrated. I finally called a vet clinic that was about an hour and a half away and hauled her there but to no avail I lost her anyway. |
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| Animals are considered property and not human so state laws vary from state concerning mal practice. I asked my attorney. :) And since I paid for a big chunk of her law school I guess I am entitled to free legal advice. lol ( it's my daughter also ) :) This is a very interesting topic. |
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