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Location: California | I am at my witts end... I need some new ideas. We have a 5 year old gelding who went through a cattle guard a few weeks ago. Long story short, he is wrapped from elbows to hooves on both fronts and hock down on both hinds. This will be a several month healing process and he already has me pulling my hair out. He started ripping the front leg bandages off a few days ago. It was every once in awhile but now he will do it within minutes of putting him back in his stall. I currently have a grazing muzzle on him during the day and night and during feeding I tie him up and let him eat. Even then he sometimes manages to get at his bandages. I have tried No Chew and several different types of medications that have pain/itch relief in them. They are wrapped very well with elasticon wrapped around them plus a standing wrap/polo. It doesn't matter... he can get it off. My issue is I don't always have 1-2 hours each feeding to tie him up and hang out while he eats and we often are gone for a night or two and I can't expect anyone else we hire to go that above and beyond. I have seen the "horse neck cradles" and I am wondering if it would work. It looks a litte sketchy but I am willing to try anything at this point. It is going to be a long and expensive few months of wraps.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | little_bug - 2019-07-31 7:36 PM
I am at my witts end... I need some new ideas. We have a 5 year old gelding who went through a cattle guard a few weeks ago. Long story short, he is wrapped from elbows to hooves on both fronts and hock down on both hinds. This will be a several month healing process and he already has me pulling my hair out. He started ripping the front leg bandages off a few days ago. It was every once in awhile but now he will do it within minutes of putting him back in his stall. I currently have a grazing muzzle on him during the day and night and during feeding I tie him up and let him eat. Even then he sometimes manages to get at his bandages. I have tried No Chew and several different types of medications that have pain/itch relief in them. They are wrapped very well with elasticon wrapped around them plus a standing wrap/polo. It doesn't matter... he can get it off. My issue is I don't always have 1-2 hours each feeding to tie him up and hang out while he eats and we often are gone for a night or two and I can't expect anyone else we hire to go that above and beyond. I have seen the "horse neck cradles" and I am wondering if it would work. It looks a litte sketchy but I am willing to try anything at this point. It is going to be a long and expensive few months of wraps.
Alot of times when the wrap/bandage is too tight or sometimes the bandage will tighten up with time then horses will try to get them off. When I had to keep my gelding's knee wrap with the elasticon I had to be very careful as not to get it tight. |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | little_bug - 2019-07-31 5:36 PM
I am at my witts end... I need some new ideas. We have a 5 year old gelding who went through a cattle guard a few weeks ago. Long story short, he is wrapped from elbows to hooves on both fronts and hock down on both hinds. This will be a several month healing process and he already has me pulling my hair out. He started ripping the front leg bandages off a few days ago. It was every once in awhile but now he will do it within minutes of putting him back in his stall. I currently have a grazing muzzle on him during the day and night and during feeding I tie him up and let him eat. Even then he sometimes manages to get at his bandages. I have tried No Chew and several different types of medications that have pain/itch relief in them. They are wrapped very well with elasticon wrapped around them plus a standing wrap/polo. It doesn't matter... he can get it off. My issue is I don't always have 1-2 hours each feeding to tie him up and hang out while he eats and we often are gone for a night or two and I can't expect anyone else we hire to go that above and beyond. I have seen the "horse neck cradles" and I am wondering if it would work. It looks a litte sketchy but I am willing to try anything at this point. It is going to be a long and expensive few months of wraps.
I tried a cradle once but the mare was 14.1 as a 3yo and tinyyyyy so it didn't work. If she was "regular" size, I think it could have worked. We eventually came up with something she couldn't get off (it was on her forearm so very hard to bandage/keep clean) and she also eventually gave up. I ended up giving her a 30 day sedative and that also helped the boredom as I think half of her issue was boredom and not used to being stalled 24/7. The drugs only came out after she came out of her stall on two legs with a lip chain in (yes, she may be small but she be mighty!) |
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Location: California | Southtxponygirl - 2019-07-31 6:04 PM
little_bug - 2019-07-31 7:36 PM
I am at my witts end... I need some new ideas. We have a 5 year old gelding who went through a cattle guard a few weeks ago. Long story short, he is wrapped from elbows to hooves on both fronts and hock down on both hinds. This will be a several month healing process and he already has me pulling my hair out. He started ripping the front leg bandages off a few days ago. It was every once in awhile but now he will do it within minutes of putting him back in his stall. I currently have a grazing muzzle on him during the day and night and during feeding I tie him up and let him eat. Even then he sometimes manages to get at his bandages. I have tried No Chew and several different types of medications that have pain/itch relief in them. They are wrapped very well with elasticon wrapped around them plus a standing wrap/polo. It doesn't matter... he can get it off. My issue is I don't always have 1-2 hours each feeding to tie him up and hang out while he eats and we often are gone for a night or two and I can't expect anyone else we hire to go that above and beyond. I have seen the "horse neck cradles" and I am wondering if it would work. It looks a litte sketchy but I am willing to try anything at this point. It is going to be a long and expensive few months of wraps.
Alot of times when the wrap/bandage is too tight or sometimes the bandage will tighten up with time then horses will try to get them off. When I had to keep my gelding's knee wrap with the elasticon I had to be very careful as not to get it tight.
Definitely not too tight. If anything they sometimes are too loose - the elasticon doesn't really stick after awhile because it is pretty warm here. I do change it daily as well and cold hose it/hand walk him. He is amazingly sound, just has some ugly battle scars. Poor guy. |
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Location: California | bccanchaser16 - 2019-07-31 6:22 PM
little_bug - 2019-07-31 5:36 PM
I am at my witts end... I need some new ideas. We have a 5 year old gelding who went through a cattle guard a few weeks ago. Long story short, he is wrapped from elbows to hooves on both fronts and hock down on both hinds. This will be a several month healing process and he already has me pulling my hair out. He started ripping the front leg bandages off a few days ago. It was every once in awhile but now he will do it within minutes of putting him back in his stall. I currently have a grazing muzzle on him during the day and night and during feeding I tie him up and let him eat. Even then he sometimes manages to get at his bandages. I have tried No Chew and several different types of medications that have pain/itch relief in them. They are wrapped very well with elasticon wrapped around them plus a standing wrap/polo. It doesn't matter... he can get it off. My issue is I don't always have 1-2 hours each feeding to tie him up and hang out while he eats and we often are gone for a night or two and I can't expect anyone else we hire to go that above and beyond. I have seen the "horse neck cradles" and I am wondering if it would work. It looks a litte sketchy but I am willing to try anything at this point. It is going to be a long and expensive few months of wraps.
I tried a cradle once but the mare was 14.1 as a 3yo and tinyyyyy so it didn't work. If she was "regular" size, I think it could have worked. We eventually came up with something she couldn't get off (it was on her forearm so very hard to bandage/keep clean) and she also eventually gave up. I ended up giving her a 30 day sedative and that also helped the boredom as I think half of her issue was boredom and not used to being stalled 24/7. The drugs only came out after she came out of her stall on two legs with a lip chain in (yes, she may be small but she be mighty!)
He is a normal sized horse. The biggest and worst wound is on his forearm and that is definitely the one he goes after. I am able to hand walk him daily and he seems quiet and laid back in his stall. I was really thinking it must itch pretty good but as soon as the muzzle goes on him or whenever I am around him he doesn't even attempt to grab at it so it might be a habit now. I feel awful muzzling him, although he doesn't even seem to notice lol. But I have no solution if I have to be gone for a feeding. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Have you tried the Rap Last spray or paint? That stuff is my go to when I am wrapping babies for the first time, it burns like a SOB if you get it in your mouth or eyes, the other products I have tried just don't seem to work at all. If that doesn't work, I would for sure use a cradle. Just make sure it's fairly snug because it will get looser when he drops his head. |
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Location: California | Barnmom - 2019-07-31 9:13 PM
Have you tried the Rap Last spray or paint? That stuff is my go to when I am wrapping babies for the first time, it burns like a SOB if you get it in your mouth or eyes, the other products I have tried just don't seem to work at all.
If that doesn't work, I would for sure use a cradle. Just make sure it's fairly snug because it will get looser when he drops his head.
I have not tried this spray. I will definitely order it and give it a try! Thank you |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | I'm a HUGE fan of Underwoods.. you spray it on add baking powder on it and leave it alone.. it creates a crust and heals from the inside out.. I've have HOLES , Deep Cuts and used this stuff and it has left little to no scars.. plus its easy to apply. You just keep adding to it daily you don't wash it off. it will flake off it's amazing. https://www.underwoodhorsemedicine.com/ |
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| I have a plastic “bib” that has three straps that attach to the halter. It works well. My neighbor had a baby get cut on his leg badly so I lent him the bib. It was too big. I had some WONDER DUST that the bottle had become brittle and cracked. I gave the neighbor that and he took the bandages off. Applied WONDER DUST and the baby left the wound alone. |
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Location: Up North in Minnesnowta. | Barnmom - 2019-08-01 12:13 AM
Have you tried the Rap Last spray or paint? That stuff is my go to when I am wrapping babies for the first time, it burns like a SOB if you get it in your mouth or eyes, the other products I have tried just don't seem to work at all.
If that doesn't work, I would for sure use a cradle. Just make sure it's fairly snug because it will get looser when he drops his head.
I have used this on my Shoo Fly leg boots when they want to pull them off. This stuff is stout! It worked really well! |
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| I am also a fan of the Rap Last Spray and of Underwood's Horse Medicine. My mare will take ANYTHING off you try to leave on her legs, even the pull on rubber bell boots! Rap Last is the best deterrent that I have found but even with that I have to saturate the wrap a minimum of 2x per day - she is relentless. If you can get away with not wraping and just using the Underwood's, do it. |
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Location: California | wishingforsun - 2019-08-01 8:32 AM
I am also a fan of the Rap Last Spray and of Underwood's Horse Medicine. My mare will take ANYTHING off you try to leave on her legs, even the pull on rubber bell boots! Rap Last is the best deterrent that I have found but even with that I have to saturate the wrap a minimum of 2x per day - she is relentless. If you can get away with not wraping and just using the Underwood's, do it.
I just started with Underwoods yesterday. Although, it did say use baking soda on top of the spray? I didn't do that. I am tempted to stop wrapping the one wound he continues to eat at. The others he seems to leave alone. But there have been a few times he has ate at the wound and caused it to irritate and bleed and I don't want that either. I drenched his wraps in cayenne pepper just now to see if that helps while I wait on the Rap Last to arrive. The wound looks good but we are trying to minimize scarring so I hate to unwrap it. I will attach a photo of the wound yesterday and the day it happened (July 14th).  
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | little_bug - 2019-08-01 2:13 PM
wishingforsun - 2019-08-01 8:32 AM
I am also a fan of the Rap Last Spray and of Underwood's Horse Medicine. My mare will take ANYTHING off you try to leave on her legs, even the pull on rubber bell boots! Rap Last is the best deterrent that I have found but even with that I have to saturate the wrap a minimum of 2x per day - she is relentless. If you can get away with not wraping and just using the Underwood's, do it.
I just started with Underwoods yesterday. Although, it did say use baking soda on top of the spray? I didn't do that. I am tempted to stop wrapping the one wound he continues to eat at. The others he seems to leave alone. But there have been a few times he has ate at the wound and caused it to irritate and bleed and I don't want that either. I drenched his wraps in cayenne pepper just now to see if that helps while I wait on the Rap Last to arrive. The wound looks good but we are trying to minimize scarring so I hate to unwrap it. I will attach a photo of the wound yesterday and the day it happened (July 14th).
I would contiue using underwood's only. spray the underwoods sprinkle ( or place baking POWDER in the palm of your hand and genlty place it on the wound) then spray underwoods on it again. No wrapping is involved at all. it will start to shrink in no time and heal.. TRUST me... |
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| It might not be an option due to the location, but I've seen people put pantyhose over wraps to keep the horses from pulling off standing wraps. |
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Location: Arkansas | little_bug - 2019-08-01 2:13 PM
wishingforsun - 2019-08-01 8:32 AM
I am also a fan of the Rap Last Spray and of Underwood's Horse Medicine. My mare will take ANYTHING off you try to leave on her legs, even the pull on rubber bell boots! Rap Last is the best deterrent that I have found but even with that I have to saturate the wrap a minimum of 2x per day - she is relentless. If you can get away with not wraping and just using the Underwood's, do it.
I just started with Underwoods yesterday. Although, it did say use baking soda on top of the spray? I didn't do that. I am tempted to stop wrapping the one wound he continues to eat at. The others he seems to leave alone. But there have been a few times he has ate at the wound and caused it to irritate and bleed and I don't want that either. I drenched his wraps in cayenne pepper just now to see if that helps while I wait on the Rap Last to arrive. The wound looks good but we are trying to minimize scarring so I hate to unwrap it. I will attach a photo of the wound yesterday and the day it happened (July 14th).
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Location: California | RunningOnPaints - 2019-08-01 11:30 AM
little_bug - 2019-08-01 2:13 PM
wishingforsun - 2019-08-01 8:32 AM
I am also a fan of the Rap Last Spray and of Underwood's Horse Medicine. My mare will take ANYTHING off you try to leave on her legs, even the pull on rubber bell boots! Rap Last is the best deterrent that I have found but even with that I have to saturate the wrap a minimum of 2x per day - she is relentless. If you can get away with not wraping and just using the Underwood's, do it.
I just started with Underwoods yesterday. Although, it did say use baking soda on top of the spray? I didn't do that. I am tempted to stop wrapping the one wound he continues to eat at. The others he seems to leave alone. But there have been a few times he has ate at the wound and caused it to irritate and bleed and I don't want that either. I drenched his wraps in cayenne pepper just now to see if that helps while I wait on the Rap Last to arrive. The wound looks good but we are trying to minimize scarring so I hate to unwrap it. I will attach a photo of the wound yesterday and the day it happened (July 14th).
I would contiue using underwood's only. spray the underwoods sprinkle ( or place baking POWDER in the palm of your hand and genlty place it on the wound) then spray underwoods on it again.
No wrapping is involved at all. it will start to shrink in no time and heal.. TRUST me...
Thank you. I think I am going to go that route with that wound. Here is a couple photos of more of his front legs... it does not show the larg wounds on the back of both of his knees but it shows the amout of damage and scarring we are dealing with. These were also taken 2 days ago.  
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Location: Texas | little_bug - 2019-08-01 2:13 PM
wishingforsun - 2019-08-01 8:32 AM
I am also a fan of the Rap Last Spray and of Underwood's Horse Medicine. My mare will take ANYTHING off you try to leave on her legs, even the pull on rubber bell boots! Rap Last is the best deterrent that I have found but even with that I have to saturate the wrap a minimum of 2x per day - she is relentless. If you can get away with not wraping and just using the Underwood's, do it.
I just started with Underwoods yesterday. Although, it did say use baking soda on top of the spray? I didn't do that. I am tempted to stop wrapping the one wound he continues to eat at. The others he seems to leave alone. But there have been a few times he has ate at the wound and caused it to irritate and bleed and I don't want that either. I drenched his wraps in cayenne pepper just now to see if that helps while I wait on the Rap Last to arrive. The wound looks good but we are trying to minimize scarring so I hate to unwrap it. I will attach a photo of the wound yesterday and the day it happened (July 14th).
The baking powder is an essential part of the treatment with Underwoods. I put it in a squeeze bottle (like a ketchup or mustard squeeze bottle from the dollar store) and puff it on the wound. |
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Location: California | Fun2Run - 2019-08-02 7:59 AM
little_bug - 2019-08-01 2:13 PM
wishingforsun - 2019-08-01 8:32 AM
I am also a fan of the Rap Last Spray and of Underwood's Horse Medicine. My mare will take ANYTHING off you try to leave on her legs, even the pull on rubber bell boots! Rap Last is the best deterrent that I have found but even with that I have to saturate the wrap a minimum of 2x per day - she is relentless. If you can get away with not wraping and just using the Underwood's, do it.
I just started with Underwoods yesterday. Although, it did say use baking soda on top of the spray? I didn't do that. I am tempted to stop wrapping the one wound he continues to eat at. The others he seems to leave alone. But there have been a few times he has ate at the wound and caused it to irritate and bleed and I don't want that either. I drenched his wraps in cayenne pepper just now to see if that helps while I wait on the Rap Last to arrive. The wound looks good but we are trying to minimize scarring so I hate to unwrap it. I will attach a photo of the wound yesterday and the day it happened (July 14th).
The baking powder is an essential part of the treatment with Underwoods. I put it in a squeeze bottle (like a ketchup or mustard squeeze bottle from the dollar store) and puff it on the wound.
I just went and bought some. I am going to start this today on that big wound and stop wrapping and see how it goes! |
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Location: Idaho | RunningOnPaints - 2019-08-02 8:28 AM
I'm a HUGE fan of Underwoods.. you spray it on add baking powder on it and leave it alone.. it creates a crust and heals from the inside out..
I've have HOLES , Deep Cuts and used this stuff and it has left little to no scars.. plus its easy to apply. You just keep adding to it daily you don't wash it off. it will flake off
it's amazing.
https://www.underwoodhorsemedicine.com/
I suggest Underwoods too! I knew a horse that fell out of a trailer going 65 MPH.. literally had holes on her knees, hocks and stifles covered in proud flesh. Owner was spending thousands of dollars each week on bandages.. She found underwoods and it saved her a ton of money, her mare healed up great, even the vets were amazed st her healing progress. I have used it myself but I've never had anything *knock on wood* to that extent to use it for. But the stuff is amazing. |
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