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babbsywabbsy
Reg. Feb 2016
Posted 2019-11-14 3:25 PM
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OK, here we go. I bought this horse, a 3yr old gelding about a month ago and have only ridden him about 10 times due to weather. Fantastic on the ground, super laid back and a perfect gentleman. He is a very 'in your pocket' kinda guy. Stands to be saddled no problem, fly spray, trims, hauls all that good stuff, and then I get on him. He will walk and trot, I ask him to lope and he bucks. Might not be the first stride or the second, I may do a half lap around the arena and he will buck a couple times then go along back to loping like no big deal. Ok, fine, he's young, it's more of a little hoppy buck not a trying to throw me off buck, I'll work him out of it no problem, then I rode yesterday.

Yesterday I saddled, warmed him up, took a pretty calm cool walk around the property and we went into the arena. He found a spot that my boyfriend was sitting on a barrel watching me ride, he'd try to stop there every time (we did not stop at this place previously, so it's not like he was being 'sour' to it because we always stop there... in my opinion). Also, boyfriend usually just kinda picks a barrel or fence panel to sit on while I ride, so this is not a new thing. A lap or two goes by of him trying to slow or side step towards the barrel/ boyfriend and he pitched a FIT and broke in two when I urged him forward, like 3-4 really good get the !#%^ off of me, we are doing what I want to do bucks. I stayed on and continued to urge him forward to go to the opposite side of the arena, which he did, then we would get to the spot (I was completely ignoring the spot, eyes forward toward where I was wanting to go), same thing but not as bad he would stiffen up and I'd urge him forward. It got better, no bucking or trying to go over there so we switched directions and he was fine. What gives and what in the world do I do with this guy? He is literally my dream horse but as a 3 year old is pretty behind. I was told he had 60 days, but the way he rides around and the handle he has, he doesnt seem like it to me. I'm currently riding him in a Jim Warner hack because he's light in the face and really "humps up" in an o-ring. I am using a best ever felt saddle pad, shoulder relief cinch with fleece and a Double J saddle that fits him very well. I do wear spurs. 

He has been vet checked sound so I do not believe this is a lameness issue. 

Please BHW people help me with this guy, also ANY training advice would be super helpful. He works like a dream in the round pen both on the ground and in the saddle. TIA



Edited by babbsywabbsy 2019-11-14 3:34 PM
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Aggieruns17
Reg. Jul 2017
Posted 2019-11-14 3:52 PM
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It sounds to me like he is being a baby.  When I have one that behaves like that (in particular, wanting to stop in a spot), I tend to work them really hard in the spot they are misbehaving and really make them think about what they are doing, once they are listening and AS SOON  as they relax, trot them off and stop them somewhere else.  If it is more of  a spooky thing, I would do the same sort of thing, but intentionally work them in that spot until they decide it is better to ignore it. 

 

When they break in half, I like to pull them into a little circle until they calm down and try again.  The hardest part is relaxing and acting like it never happened.  The last thing you want is for them to think that bucking is a way to get out of working.  I would recommend treating little humps like big bucks, you don't want them thinking any of that is okay - EVER.

 

  I would chalk it up to him testing you - make sure he is being respectful and thinking about what you are asking of him. Also, even though you are looking forward, pay special attention to your body language - remember they can feel a fly on their back, so if you even get a little nervous and your heart rate goes up they WILL feel it.  You may be doing great here already, but a good thing to keep in mind :)

 

Definitely good job on riding it out and moving forward with working him! Just remember - you've got this! I wouldn't be concerned that he isn't gonna make it - imo all of my best horses have been testy as colts and some of them can flat BUCK, but I look at it like this - they care about what they are doing and that is what will make them great in the end :)

 

ETA also may look at checking him for ulcers - this isn't my guess, but it is easy to check for :) Between training, a new home, and a new season, it may get his belly upset.



Edited by Aggieruns17 2019-11-14 4:01 PM
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veintiocho
Reg. Sep 2015
Posted 2019-11-14 3:57 PM
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60 days is not much time on a colt.... he is acting like a typical colt with 60 days and not being worked too hard lately. 
It sounds to me like you need to send him for another 60/90 days with a good trainer and then he might be where you're expecting him to be. 

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little_bug
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2019-11-14 5:39 PM
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Definitely sounds like he is being a spoiled baby to me... needs a little more time tied to a patience pole and less time in your pocket. A lot of times when I have a colt like that I get on them and go straight to work doing small (like around a barrel sized) circles at a trot, switching directions, bending around.  No time to think before I put their mind and feet to work. 

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emricmacy
Reg. Sep 2016
Posted 2019-11-14 8:50 PM
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I wouldn't worry about it. I think your expecting too much from him right now. 60 rides isn't a lot and you've only put another 10 inconsistent rides on him (due to weather). He's still a baby..give him time.

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CanCan
Reg. May 2004
Posted 2019-11-14 9:05 PM
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I have higher expectations, I guess.??Ain't no bucking tolerated after sixty days. Nope.

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Fun2Run
Reg. Jul 2005
Posted 2019-11-14 11:57 PM
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I wouldn't want him to get the idea that this is part of the program.  Saddle, leave tied, then work in the round pen until tired.  My dad always said "a tired horse is a good horse."  I know that can be overdone, but you get the idea. 

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CJE
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2019-11-15 8:44 AM
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I would probably find a good trainer that ride everyday for a good 30 days and learn him bucking is not allowed.  Maybe colt stuff but sounds like he needs a lot of wet blankets.  

If you dont' want to use a trainer......I would suggest a nice brisk warm up in a round pen......ride him......and even if he doesn't buck etc......let him stand tied for a while after the ride........a trainer friend of mine will let them stay tied all day if they think about bucking that morning......by that afternoon they are ready to ride.

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babbsywabbsy
Reg. Feb 2016
Posted 2019-11-15 9:04 AM
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Thank you for all your replies and advice. It settles my mind a bit to know I was on the right track to treat this as him being a spoiled little brat. I rode him last night in the round pen and he tried a little silliness at first, but I rode him out of it and he was low headed loping like a champ by the time we were finished. I really concentrated on remaining calm, but when he pitched a fit we did small circles and I made it NO FUN for him when he was not cooperating. More wet saddle blankets and many hours at the patience pole are in this guys future :) I am going to go ahead and treat for ulcers so he has no excuses. If his behavior does not improve over the next couple of weeks I will send him away, but I do feel like this is something I can handle, I guess I just wanted confirmation that my thought process was on the right track. Brat, lol. His bloodlines are below, anyone see anything in there that would cause him to be testy? In my experience both FWF and DFP horses have been rather easy going. 

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crossspur
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2019-11-15 9:46 AM
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Do you keep in a stall? or is he out in the pasture when your not riding ?

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-11-15 9:50 AM
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CanCan - 2019-11-14 9:05 PM


I have higher expectations, I guess.??Ain't no bucking tolerated after sixty days. Nope.


I agree, theres is no excuses for the bucking just because hes young thats no excuss.. Did you ask the people that you bought him from if he was doing this with them befor? When they break in half like hes done with you theres someting else going on that maybe the other people didnt tell you. I have known a many of colts that had 30 days and rode just fine, I would ask at least and see what they have to say, maybe he threw them a few times and he knows if he bucks he can get rid of the rider when he feels like it, glad you rode him threw the bucks but dang it he should not even be offering to buck. 

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babbsywabbsy
Reg. Feb 2016
Posted 2019-11-15 9:51 AM
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crossspur - 2019-11-15 9:46 AM


Do you keep in a stall? or is he out in the pasture when your not riding ?


He is out in the pasture most of the time. The only time they come in is to eat or if it's raining. 

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babbsywabbsy
Reg. Feb 2016
Posted 2019-11-15 9:55 AM
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Southtxponygirl - 2019-11-15 9:50 AM


CanCan - 2019-11-14 9:05 PM


I have higher expectations, I guess.??Ain't no bucking tolerated after sixty days. Nope.



I agree, theres is no excuses for the bucking just because hes young thats no excuss.. Did you ask the people that you bought him from if he was doing this with them befor? When they break in half like hes done with you theres someting else going on that maybe the other people didnt tell you. I have known a many of colts that had 30 days and rode just fine, I would ask at least and see what they have to say, maybe he threw them a few times and he knows if he bucks he can get rid of the rider when he feels like it, glad you rode him threw the bucks but dang it he should not even be offering to buck. 


The seller disclosed that he "kicked out" sometimes. The only time he's actually broke in two and bucked really bad was a couple days ago. I have not contacted her since I bought him (other than to let her know he made it home safe and was doing well) because in my opinion, he's my problem now and I bought him knowing he had a bit of an issue. 

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CJE
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2019-11-15 10:43 AM
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babbsywabbsy - 2019-11-14 10:55 AM


Southtxponygirl - 2019-11-15 9:50 AM


CanCan - 2019-11-14 9:05 PM


I have higher expectations, I guess.??Ain't no bucking tolerated after sixty days. Nope.



I agree, theres is no excuses for the bucking just because hes young thats no excuss.. Did you ask the people that you bought him from if he was doing this with them befor? When they break in half like hes done with you theres someting else going on that maybe the other people didnt tell you. I have known a many of colts that had 30 days and rode just fine, I would ask at least and see what they have to say, maybe he threw them a few times and he knows if he bucks he can get rid of the rider when he feels like it, glad you rode him threw the bucks but dang it he should not even be offering to buck. 



The seller disclosed that he "kicked out" sometimes. The only time he's actually broke in two and bucked really bad was a couple days ago. I have not contacted her since I bought him (other than to let her know he made it home safe and was doing well) because in my opinion, he's my problem now and I bought him knowing he had a bit of an issue. 


I definitely did not think this was a new behavior maybe started as play.....time to stop and a round pen works wonders too!  Glad you had some success last ride!

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slipperyslope
Reg. Nov 2008
Posted 2019-11-15 10:24 PM
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I always go with the usual things first:  saddle fit, teeth, feet, etc and if all of that is good, then if he's been doing this since being started, I'd look into PSSM of one kind or both.  Horses can be very smart but I've never met one that was smart enough to think "hmmm, guess I'll be an a$$ today", etc.  Check for pain or something uncomfortable.   Horses try to tell us in the only ways they know how, just most do not "listen".

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treasurehunter
Reg. Sep 2007
Posted 2019-11-17 10:14 AM
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My friends and I have some colts like that. We always disengage by getting the head around to our leg quickly and holding till their feet stop moving.  It puts them in a bind and they do not like being in that bind, nor can they really get that rear end up under them well enough to launch into a hard buck.  It’s been very successful in stopping that behavior.

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