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         Location: SW MO | If the senate finds Pr. Trump not guilty can he then bring charges against those in the house or sue them for false charges, since the crimes he was charged with weren't even impeachment crimes? |
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  Champ
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       Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | When Adam Schithead gave the "parody" of the phone call to Ukraine, which was a total lie, they said Trump couldn't sue him. This seems VERY backa$$ward to me, apparently they have immunity to lie in congress. It seems to me, in OUR capital building they should be held to telling the truth. Now we know why our government is such a mess. |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Dont know the answer either, but I sure hope that the Dems as in ole Nancy Pelosi and her puppets will have serious consequences for all the lies that they all made up about Trump..Something needs to be done about them.  |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | No, they cannot sue the House for wrongful impeachment. As we have seen, the House can launch an impeachment on the flimsiest of pretenses. In the case of impeachment, normal rules governing our system of jurisprudence do not apply. Heresay and opinions were the cornerstones of the "abuse of power" charges. Those are extremely flimsy tools, in normal criminal law. Often, heresay testimony is struck down by presiding judges, and for good reason. Trump exercised his constitutional right of "executive privilege" and, instead of using the judicial branch to settle the dispute, the Democrats arbitrarily grabbed this issue as the main pretense for the "Obstruction of Justice" charge. Hopefully, the voters will remind the Democrats that any attempt to use this last resort as a political weapon carries with it some potentially grave political consequences. Meanwhile, the economy is humming along and Trump's approval appears to be on the rise. |
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     Location: Not Where I Want to Be | OregonBR - 2019-12-19 10:35 AM
When Adam Schithead gave the "parody" of the phone call to Ukraine, which was a total lie, they said Trump couldn't sue him. This seems VERY backa$$ward to me, apparently they have immunity to lie in congress. It seems to me, in OUR capital building they should be held to telling the truth. Now we know why our government is such a mess.
Both houses of congress have QUalified Imunity.
They also have the power to censure themselves but they won't. |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Also, it should be noted that Nixon was not impeached. The strongly bipartisan approach in favor of impeachment compelled him to resign from office before impeachment could be completed. The key word here is "bipartisan". In the case of Trump, the only thing "bipartisan" was in the actual opposition to impeachment. |
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     Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Bear - 2019-12-19 10:46 AM
No, they cannot sue the House for wrongful impeachment.
As we have seen, the House can launch an impeachment on the flimsiest of pretenses. In the case of impeachment, normal rules governing our system of jurisprudence do not apply. Heresay and opinions were the cornerstones of the "abuse of power" charges. Those are extremely flimsy tools, in normal criminal law. Often, heresay testimony is struck down by presiding judges, and for good reason. Trump exercised his constitutional right of "executive privilege" and, instead of using the judicial branch to settle the dispute, the Democrats arbitrarily grabbed this issue as the main pretense for the "Obstruction of Justice" charge. Hopefully, the voters will remind the Democrats that any attempt to use this last resort as a political weapon carries with it some potentially grave political consequences.
Meanwhile, the economy is humming along and Trump's approval appears to be on the rise.
The thing that shold worry folks the most in this case is the Obstruction charge.
It was based solely on the fact that POTUS did indeed exercise his excutive privledge and told congress they shove their subpenas up their arse.
They in response took the stance that a congressioinal subpena was and carried the same weight as a judicial subpeana there by making the case that all three branches of the Fed were defacto one and the same
This has been a sham, and a Railroad job from day one.
PS. using my phone so plenty of typos t. |
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| 1DSoon - 2019-12-19 10:09 AM
Bear - 2019-12-19 10:46 AM
No, they cannot sue the House for wrongful impeachment.
As we have seen, the House can launch an impeachment on the flimsiest of pretenses. In the case of impeachment, normal rules governing our system of jurisprudence do not apply. Heresay and opinions were the cornerstones of the "abuse of power" charges. Those are extremely flimsy tools, in normal criminal law. Often, heresay testimony is struck down by presiding judges, and for good reason. Trump exercised his constitutional right of "executive privilege" and, instead of using the judicial branch to settle the dispute, the Democrats arbitrarily grabbed this issue as the main pretense for the "Obstruction of Justice" charge. Hopefully, the voters will remind the Democrats that any attempt to use this last resort as a political weapon carries with it some potentially grave political consequences.
Meanwhile, the economy is humming along and Trump's approval appears to be on the rise.
The thing that shold worry folks the most in this case is the Obstruction charge.
It was based solely on the fact that POTUS did indeed exercise his excutive privledge and told congress they shove their subpenas up their arse.
They in response took the stance that a congressioinal subpena was and carried the same weight as a judicial subpeana there by making the case that all three branches of the Fed were defacto one and the same
This has been a sham, and a Railroad job from day one.
PS. using my phone so plenty of typos
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SCOTUS has ruled in the favor of the Pres. several times on this issue. |
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| and add the comey fbi thing to the mix its overwelhing to me |
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     Location: Not Where I Want to Be | jbhoot - 2019-12-19 12:41 PM
1DSoon - 2019-12-19 10:09 AM
Bear - 2019-12-19 10:46 AM
No, they cannot sue the House for wrongful impeachment.
As we have seen, the House can launch an impeachment on the flimsiest of pretenses. In the case of impeachment, normal rules governing our system of jurisprudence do not apply. Heresay and opinions were the cornerstones of the "abuse of power" charges. Those are extremely flimsy tools, in normal criminal law. Often, heresay testimony is struck down by presiding judges, and for good reason. Trump exercised his constitutional right of "executive privilege" and, instead of using the judicial branch to settle the dispute, the Democrats arbitrarily grabbed this issue as the main pretense for the "Obstruction of Justice" charge. Hopefully, the voters will remind the Democrats that any attempt to use this last resort as a political weapon carries with it some potentially grave political consequences.
Meanwhile, the economy is humming along and Trump's approval appears to be on the rise.
The thing that shold worry folks the most in this case is the Obstruction charge.
It was based solely on the fact that POTUS did indeed exercise his excutive privledge and told congress they shove their subpenas up their arse.
They in response took the stance that a congressioinal subpena was and carried the same weight as a judicial subpeana there by making the case that all three branches of the Fed were defacto one and the same
This has been a sham, and a Railroad job from day one.
PS. using my phone so plenty of typos
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SCOTUS has ruled in the favor of the Pres. several times on this issue.
I have no idea what that means |
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        Location: Kansas | Mitch McConnell gave a well thought out eye-opener speech this morning on the floor of the Senate going into specifics for one thing about how from even before he was inaugurated the Dems were planning on impeaching President Trump. Nancy Pelosi was promising an "iron-clad" impeachment guarantee long before the Ukraine phone call. They just needed something to jump on. McConnell quoted sack of Schiff lies on several occasions in this speech. Schiff even said once that if the President asserted his Constitutional rights that was only further evidence that he was guilty. What??? From something I just read it would appear that Schiff is now primed to go after Pence. He says "Pence may have known about the Ukraine phone call. Give it up Adam. You're chasing your tail.
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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        Location: Kansas | Nateracer - 2019-12-19 1:50 PM
That loony tune Pelosi won't even send it to the senate now. Good grief. Maybe they figured out that someone is going to get to question the crazies and they might actually have to tell the truth and it's going to bite them in the rear harder than it already has.
Schumer was all grumpy and snooty about needing Pompeo, Mulvaney, Bolton and Blair to be witnesses in the Senate trial. That's after saying everything Dem Congress found is irrefutable....so what do they need witnesses for? McConnell pretty much told him to go fly a kite. Trump wants Schiff, Hunter and Joe Biden, and the whistleblower to be witnesses if that's the case. They're all saying they don't wanna do that. Go figure. |
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  Location: Illinois | Nateracer - 2019-12-19 1:50 PM
That loony tune Pelosi won't even send it to the senate now. Good grief. Maybe they figured out that someone is going to get to question the crazies and they might actually have to tell the truth and it's going to bite them in the rear harder than it already has.
I found it interesting that she said she wasn't sending the articles to the Senate until her trial terms were met. Withholding something unless she gets what she wants from them....sounds familiar. Just had to chuckle at that a little bit. They know they have no hope for his removal from office and are not just throwing a tantrum because he's also probably going to win the 2020. But looks like we'll have to wait in suspense until next year... |
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        Location: Ky | Nothing was made up. Even trump admits he made the call and the offer. But isn't it cute that the GOP'ers that impeached Clinton for lying about sex are up in arms about this? Lindsey Graham is your poster boy!! Flip-flop, flip-flop. Trump is guilty. There's a moujntain of evidence known and there's an even bigger mountain that trump doesn't want out there. That's why he's ordered the people that could clear his name to not testify. Yeah, that's how a not guilty man operates. But trump won't be convicted in the senate because it's not secret ballot. If it were secret ballot then he should start packing. The GOP does not have the courage to do what's right for the country. They shouldn't even pretend to have a hearing or trial. Just take the vote and aquit him. Trump could grab 10 women by the p#%$# at gunpoint in Times Square and the GOP senators would say that the Democrats are at fault. No surprise here. You elect a clown you gotta know the circus comes with him. Now comes the personal attacks. But I get it, you got nothing else. But you should really do something about your hate before it's too late. |
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| you are quick with actuisation clinton had sperm his sperm on dress. yes he made a call but no quid pro. and when did he so call grab women if hr did there would be a parade they have and its on record they want to get rid of him from get go. the democrats cherry pick the laws they want to follow illegals get drivers license in ny how the hell does that fly? they f illegall guns they gonna take in virgina but tell ice no on illegals democrat running for sherrif in nc say we may have to kill a few meaning citizen to get their gun yes it was on tv
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| jd&ez - 2019-12-19 4:04 PM
Nothing was made up. Even trump admits he made the call and the offer.
But isn't it cute that the GOP'ers that impeached Clinton for lying about sex are up in arms about this?
Lindsey Graham is your poster boy!! Flip-flop, flip-flop.
Trump is guilty. There's a moujntain of evidence known and there's an even bigger mountain that trump doesn't want out there. That's why he's ordered the people that could clear his name to not testify. Yeah, that's how a not guilty man operates.
But trump won't be convicted in the senate because it's not secret ballot. If it were secret ballot then he should start packing. The GOP does not have the courage to do what's right for the country. They shouldn't even pretend to have a hearing or trial. Just take the vote and aquit him. Trump could grab 10 women by the p#%$# at gunpoint in Times Square and the GOP senators would say that the Democrats are at fault.
No surprise here. You elect a clown you gotta know the circus comes with him.
Now comes the personal attacks. But I get it, you got nothing else.
But you should really do something about your hate before it's too late.
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      Location: Arkansas | Bear - 2019-12-19 9:46 AM
No, they cannot sue the House for wrongful impeachment.
As we have seen, the House can launch an impeachment on the flimsiest of pretenses. In the case of impeachment, normal rules governing our system of jurisprudence do not apply. Heresay and opinions were the cornerstones of the "abuse of power" charges. Those are extremely flimsy tools, in normal criminal law. Often, heresay testimony is struck down by presiding judges, and for good reason. Trump exercised his constitutional right of "executive privilege" and, instead of using the judicial branch to settle the dispute, the Democrats arbitrarily grabbed this issue as the main pretense for the "Obstruction of Justice" charge. Hopefully, the voters will remind the Democrats that any attempt to use this last resort as a political weapon carries with it some potentially grave political consequences.
Meanwhile, the economy is humming along and Trump's approval appears to be on the rise.
Did I see something that said he's leading the Democrats in the polls? |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2019-12-19 6:41 PM
Bear - 2019-12-19 9:46 AM
No, they cannot sue the House for wrongful impeachment.
As we have seen, the House can launch an impeachment on the flimsiest of pretenses. In the case of impeachment, normal rules governing our system of jurisprudence do not apply. Heresay and opinions were the cornerstones of the "abuse of power" charges. Those are extremely flimsy tools, in normal criminal law. Often, heresay testimony is struck down by presiding judges, and for good reason. Trump exercised his constitutional right of "executive privilege" and, instead of using the judicial branch to settle the dispute, the Democrats arbitrarily grabbed this issue as the main pretense for the "Obstruction of Justice" charge. Hopefully, the voters will remind the Democrats that any attempt to use this last resort as a political weapon carries with it some potentially grave political consequences.
Meanwhile, the economy is humming along and Trump's approval appears to be on the rise.
Did I see something that said he's leading the Democrats in the polls?
Yes in all the battelground states. |
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