Our wonderful - notice the sarcasm- Utah Governor issued a statewide mask mandate last night. 

Gatherings limited to household only, no youth or high school sports (but I believe a football championship still gets to be played), and weekly testing at college campuses. Who is paying for all this testing??? It's just a matter of time before schools are shut down again. 

He used the emergency alert system so all our phones were going off around 8:30, so that was nice for parents who had kids in bed. . .

I like how he waited to see what the election was going to do before announcing his mandate. A month or so ago he said a mask mandate didn't need to happen statewide. 

When is enough, enough. . . Are we ever going to be over this covid bull****? I understand it is never going to fully go away but is locking us all up really going to help?

Unfortunately, out President elect is on board with the mandates and locking us down. Hopefully president Trump can prevail, and we won't have 4 years of shut downs!

Pfizer just announced a vaccine that is 90% effective, stock market is doing well as a result.  Now Cuomo wants to talk other governors in to not accepting its release until after Jan 20th.  Of course the media won't question his motives at all.

You don't think that a week of over 100,000 cases a day and hospital at or nearing capacity indicates a need for some attempt at mitigation?

Sticking heads in the sand and pretending all is well does not make it so.   

They canceled a surgery for my dad today in SLC at Univeristy of Utah. He has waited years for it and it was canceled 2 hours before surgery because they do not have a bed for him to recover. Masks certainly help and everyone should WANT to wear one but it shouyld NOT be mandated, The government is trying to create a society dependent on them for handouts. Sucks. I am a teracher here in CA and our schools never opened up, and probably won't this whoie school year. 

Joe Dementia's use of the word "mandate" is typical of Democrats.  Control and muzzle the population.  Did you know that Joe added Zeke Emanual to his list of medical advisors on Covid.  Zeke said in 2014 that no one needed to live past 75.  We were useless at that age.  Joe is soon to be 78.......whoops?????

His brother Rahm did such a great job in Chicago too! Super clean city with a great education system along with very low tax and crime rate. LOL 

Exactly! So why no outrage at blue state governors wanting to delay the vaccine release for 2 months.

All of this is out of control.

We are the United States of America, but it sure doesnt seem like it. 

I've personally HAD COVID, I don't subscribe to the Co-Vidiocy that is currently circling this country.

I don't believe that Mask Mandates help at all.  The reasoning, using some common sense is: how in all seriousness is a cloth mask ACTUALLY going to stop a teeeennnnnyyy Tiny virus?  Well it won't,  and pushing off your "health responisibilites" on me is a special kind of psychosis,  I can't loose wieght for you either.  Now if everyone was wearing an N-95 Mask.... then that's a different story.   I believe that cloth masks only help people who are afraid feel like they are "doing something" to make a difference.  I personally end up having a panic attack when wearing a mask, and I know when and where I ended up with the virus and the Mask DID NOT impact it, nor did the Lockdowns. 

But..... Since this virus is in the environment.  HOW is placing a Muzzle on everyyone and locking everyone up - TAKING THE VIRUS OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT?   I'm unammused at lockdowns,  The secondary casualties because of lockdowns far out number the actual victims of covid.   The seasonal Cold and the Flu have mysteriously disappeared, which I find rather telling.  I think Fear begets more Fear, and If you believe that it's some terrible death sentence then you will experience what you believe.  If you are immuno compromised, then you already would be taking precautions not to get the sesonal cold or flu therefore your precaution for covid should look the same.  If you are not immuno compromised and have a strong immune system, then don't subscribe to the fear because fear will lower your ability to fight any virus not just covid.  I realize that with some apparently health people have "died" from Covid, but when it is your time to go it won't matter if it's covid, the flu or some random lightning bolt 

My sister has COVID right now, she's also an RN and doesn't agree with the mask mandate. 

She's had a little bit of a cold last week, but her friend had the same symptoms and was negative. 

She got tested Friday and got the positive result Saturday morning. That afternoon she started with a fever and lost her taste. She's also had the poops. . . . but she said she doesn't feel like she's going to die.

She was told she was under quarantine by the Wyoming health department, then later told they didn't have the juristiction to quarantine her Utah would have to do it, but she could go back to work this Friday if she's symptom free. (we live in Utah but work in Wyoming, where she was tested) 

Our accountant has it or that's how they diagnosed him.  He's in his mid 70's and is having only mild symptoms.  

Masks are not the answer.  Stopping illegal immigration is.  ICE picked up hundreds last week from 80 different countries.  How many do you think came here sick or asymptomatic.

I quit following the Covid crap. Has the death rate gone up? Last I saw it was 94.6% RECOVERY RATE for the most vulnerable.  Per the CDC the people dying had 2.5 serious conditions on top of contracting Covid. Those were the ones at 94.6% recovery rate, the rest of us were at 98-99% recovery rate. 
This was back in September. 

I think it's time we review some facts about this pandemic.

1.) We now have close to 10 million "cases" of Covid19.  That's very misleading, and actually wrong.  Up until now, using the word "cases" accurately implied people were actually ill from a given disease.  TB "cases" were people sick from TB.  Whooping cough "cases" had whooping cough.  Measles "cases" had measles.  Of those 10 million with positive Covid19 tests, about 40% were asymptomatic, with another 40% having mild symptoms.  So while the MSM succeeded in conveying the intended message that 10 million Americans were ill with Covid19, that is grossly misleading.  That's where the term "Casedemic" got its origin.

2.) Furthermore, according to the CDC, antibody testing has demonstrated that the reported Covid19 positive tests actually reflects 10% of the actual number of people likely to have had the virus.  In fact, they estimate the real number to be 10 times higher, and as much as 24 times higher.  Even on the low end, based on the  CDC findings, the "Casedemic" numbers are at least 100 million, and as much as 240 million.  Don't believe me?  See the link below, as well as the numerous others from the MSM.  Do the math....10X10=100.  That sorta math. So the real denominator is much higher than the "Casedemic" numbers.

3.)What we should be worried about is the actual deaths....the numerator.  Using these numbers, for a person testing positive for Covid19, the "case" fatality rate ranges between 0.1 - 0.24%.  If you are younger than 65 that risk is substantially less.  Everyone knows this.  Everyone knows who the vulnerable people are.

4.) Sadly, the issue over masks has become a toxic political tool, and most Americans fell for it.  New York and New Jersey have the most strict mask mandates in the country......and the highest death rates per capita.  It's hard to make a good correlation between mask mandates and death rates.  To be clear, I think it's sensible to wear masks under certain circumstances, and we do, because it's cheap, easy, and might make a difference.  The craze over a national mask mandate is yet another political tool, in my opinion.  Much of it is symbolism over substance, and sadly it works with too many low information voters.

5.) Operation Warp Speed appears to be paying off.  We are very close to having a vaccine available.  When that materializes, it will be the most rapid development of a vaccine in history, by far.  For those of us who believe in vaccines, that is probably the best news possible.  Mask mandates are cosmetic, for the most part.  A safe, effective vaccine is an actual weapon.  President Trump deserves credit.  The Dow shot up to record levels this morning largely because of the good news on Covid19 vaccines.

6.) China is responsible for this catastrophe, no matter how you look at it.  That's just a hard fact. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-says-covid-19-cases-u-s-may-be-10-n1232134

Zeke Emanuel in March:  “So, the public, running out and getting a mask is not going to help.”

Surgeries being cancelled because there are no beds available to recover in shows there is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I work as a public health nurse in utah and things are not looking good for our state. 

Absolutely, that is true,and it's been going on across the country since March.  Elective surgery has a huge backlog, and other elective procedures have been shut down.....including colonoscopies, stress testing, mammograms, etc..,  In many instances, elective operations, screenings, etc.... end up leading to life threatening situations.  Those elective gall bladder operations can go from having a mortality risk of under 1-2% to a mortality risk closer to 30-40%.  

The good news is we know much more than we did 8 months ago, and we have better therapeutics and a vaccine that should be available very soon.  We have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.  We will. 

Does the positive Covid test still get paid???

I like how you think . . straight to the root . . 

Yes I agree our ability to treat COVID has improved. The last couple of weeks at work have been rough. The big numbers of positive COVID we are getting in my rural county are overwhelming my small health department. We are having a hard time keeping up with contact tracing and all the other additional duties COVID has created. It has also been hard on a personal level.  My neighbor I have bought hay from for the last 10 years just died of COVID. Another neighbor who is one of my best friends dad is also hospitalized and is on a ventilator from COVID. The last update I got on him was not good.