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| Pelosi sends impeachment procedings to the Senate Monday. This is a gross waste of money for a pointless procedure since Trump is no longer President. The Dems need to stop this ridiculous spending spree. Taxpayers are paying for this. Please email your senator and get this stopped before any procedings start. It took me about 5 minutes to email both of mine. Please help stop this waste. Here is a link to find your senator's email address. Thanks. This is important.
https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?OrderBy=state&Sort=ASC&fbclid=IwAR2WcaogOIwVY1VDyC55Bzt9-xha_i8WGhf_oiTAMqTCM5AIFCxYGeo25Ko |
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| i already have plus rep every one also emailed josh and cruz told them thank u |
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     Location: Not Where I Want to Be | it won't be stopped. They have to convict him in order to use the 14th |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | If 17 Republicans vote to convict Trump, I think the backlash will blow the GOP apart. That's what they'll require. 17 Republicans. Nothing will stop the Democrat agenda from sailing through at some point over the next 4 years. They'll pack the courts, add several million new Dems to the voter roles through open borders and DACA citizenship, add 1-2 new states, and 2-4 certain Democrat senators....and that's just the beginning. |
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| question i thought innocent till proven guilty . i thought that it had to be abosultely proven not suggested not well i thought thats what it was. or am i in left field |
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        Location: Kansas | vjls - 2021-01-24 8:38 AM
question i thought innocent till proven guilty . i thought that it had to be abosultely proven not suggested not well i thought thats what it was.
or am i in left field
Constitution scholars say the whole empeachment process was unConstitutional and they had no right to vote for impeachment without an investigation and witnesses, let alone not having the presence of a Trump attorney. This is a vendetta generated by Nancy Pelosi. She does whatever she wants to do and gets away with it. |
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| So will they be able to go ahead and impeach him regardless? Are they able just to make up their own rules and laws as they go and we all just need to be ok with it? Doesn't Trump have a legal team that can defend him from this? My mind is just completely blown from pretty much everything I've witnessed over the last several months. |
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| https://www.theepochtimes.com/law-professor... 21 hours ago · Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz shared his expert opinion on free speech and the second impeachment of former President Donald … |
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| A representative from Michigan (Democrat) posted a video that a bill giving 3 trillion-with a T-to a world bank that would allow any country to get the money out at will including terrorist countries is headed to the Senate. He could not believe that democrats had voted in favor of this. My concern is where is the money coming from? You better start emailing your Senators folks. You elected them, let them know your opinions |
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             Location: North Texas | Follow this line of logic.....Does an individual not have to be in Office in order to be impeached? So, with that being said, is Donald J. Trump POTUS? Use One's Critical Thinking Skills here. |
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| foundation horse - 2021-01-24 7:17 PM
Follow this line of logic.....Does an individual not have to be in Office in order to be impeached? So, with that being said, is Donald J. Trump POTUS?
Use One's Critical Thinking Skills here.
Technically - Trump was impeached for the 2nd time while he was still in office. Basically the House works like a Grand Jury- supposedly determining if there is enough evidence to bring Articles of Impeachment. The House does that- not the Senate. That is why the hurry up to get it done before he left office. Now those Articles of Impeachment move to the Senate for the actual trial. This is where Trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to defend him. The Senate acts as the jury- deciding innocence or guilt. If guilty- the Senate then decides punishment. If the House brings Articles of Impeachemnt - the President is technically impeached, no matter what or when the Senate decides. Note- I am not getting into wether this impeachement is justified or a witch hunt. Mearly stating how the process actually works. |
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             Location: North Texas | KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 5:52 AM
foundation horse - 2021-01-24 7:17 PM
Follow this line of logic.....Does an individual not have to be in Office in order to be impeached? So, with that being said, is Donald J. Trump POTUS?
Use One's Critical Thinking Skills here.
Technically - Trump was impeached for the 2nd time while he was still in office. Basically the House works like a Grand Jury- supposedly determining if there is enough evidence to bring Articles of Impeachment. The House does that- not the Senate. That is why the hurry up to get it done before he left office. Now those Articles of Impeachment move to the Senate for the actual trial. This is where Trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to defend him. The Senate acts as the jury- deciding innocence or guilt. If guilty- the Senate then decides punishment.
If the House brings Articles of Impeachemnt - the President is technically impeached, no matter what or when the Senate decides.
Note- I am not getting into wether this impeachement is justified or a witch hunt. Mearly stating how the process actually works.
Your technicality is correct. But, (there are always buts hehehehe), in order for The Senate to vote to convict i.e. remove an individual from Office, One must currently HOLD/OCCUPY said Office in real time! This is simple logic or common sense. Some have called this critical thinking skills. It would be really nice for people to actually employ these skills again. Also, I have heard this skill called 'discernment'. At any rate, possession of said skills can be a double edged sword. |
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        Location: Ky | I agree with not impeaching the traitor. He should be arrested and tried mfor treason. Anyone of us that did the same things he did would already be in jail. Impeachment is too good for this criminal. |
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             Location: North Texas | Those who believe i.e. favor an actual impeachment procedure should review this https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/legal-system/presidential-impeachment-the-legal-standard-and-procedure.html prior to actually proceeding with this event. |
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             Location: North Texas | jd&ez - 2021-01-25 6:40 AM
I agree with not impeaching the traitor. He should be arrested and tried mfor treason. Anyone of us that did the same things he did would already be in jail. Impeachment is too good for this criminal.
Would You care to list the high crimes and misdemeanors that DJT is accused of please? |
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| foundation horse - 2021-01-25 6:23 AM KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 5:52 AM foundation horse - 2021-01-24 7:17 PM Follow this line of logic.....Does an individual not have to be in Office in order to be impeached? So, with that being said, is Donald J. Trump POTUS? Use One's Critical Thinking Skills here. Technically - Trump was impeached for the 2nd time while he was still in office. Basically the House works like a Grand Jury- supposedly determining if there is enough evidence to bring Articles of Impeachment. The House does that- not the Senate. That is why the hurry up to get it done before he left office. Now those Articles of Impeachment move to the Senate for the actual trial. This is where Trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to defend him. The Senate acts as the jury- deciding innocence or guilt. If guilty- the Senate then decides punishment. If the House brings Articles of Impeachemnt - the President is technically impeached, no matter what or when the Senate decides. Note- I am not getting into wether this impeachement is justified or a witch hunt. Mearly stating how the process actually works. Your technicality is correct. But, (there are always buts hehehehe), in order for The Senate to vote to convict i.e. remove an individual from Office, One must currently HOLD/OCCUPY said Office in real time! This is simple logic or common sense. Some have called this critical thinking skills. It would be really nice for people to actually employ these skills again. Also, I have heard this skill called 'discernment'. At any rate, possession of said skills can be a double edged sword. Maybe you need to be a bit more discerning in your own critical thinking skills. An arguable precedent has already been set. There are 3 examples of where the Senate has voted on an impeachment after said individual has left the office.
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             Location: North Texas | KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 6:57 AM
foundation horse - 2021-01-25 6:23 AM
KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 5:52 AM
foundation horse - 2021-01-24 7:17 PM
Follow this line of logic.....Does an individual not have to be in Office in order to be impeached? So, with that being said, is Donald J. Trump POTUS?
Use One's Critical Thinking Skills here.
Technically - Trump was impeached for the 2nd time while he was still in office. Basically the House works like a Grand Jury- supposedly determining if there is enough evidence to bring Articles of Impeachment. The House does that- not the Senate. That is why the hurry up to get it done before he left office. Now those Articles of Impeachment move to the Senate for the actual trial. This is where Trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to defend him. The Senate acts as the jury- deciding innocence or guilt. If guilty- the Senate then decides punishment.
If the House brings Articles of Impeachemnt - the President is technically impeached, no matter what or when the Senate decides.
Note- I am not getting into wether this impeachement is justified or a witch hunt. Mearly stating how the process actually works.
Your technicality is correct. But, (there are always buts hehehehe), in order for The Senate to vote to convict i.e. remove an individual from Office, One must currently HOLD/OCCUPY said Office in real time! This is simple logic or common sense. Some have called this critical thinking skills. It would be really nice for people to actually employ these skills again. Also, I have heard this skill called 'discernment'. At any rate, possession of said skills can be a double edged sword.
Maybe you need to be a bit more discerning in your own critical thinking skills. An arguable precedent has already been set. There are 3 examples of where the Senate has voted on an impeachment after said individual has left the office.
Care to educate me with specifics please. |
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| foundation horse - 2021-01-25 7:09 AM
KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 6:57 AM
foundation horse - 2021-01-25 6:23 AM
KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 5:52 AM
foundation horse - 2021-01-24 7:17 PM
Follow this line of logic.....Does an individual not have to be in Office in order to be impeached? So, with that being said, is Donald J. Trump POTUS?
Use One's Critical Thinking Skills here.
Technically - Trump was impeached for the 2nd time while he was still in office. Basically the House works like a Grand Jury- supposedly determining if there is enough evidence to bring Articles of Impeachment. The House does that- not the Senate. That is why the hurry up to get it done before he left office. Now those Articles of Impeachment move to the Senate for the actual trial. This is where Trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to defend him. The Senate acts as the jury- deciding innocence or guilt. If guilty- the Senate then decides punishment.
If the House brings Articles of Impeachemnt - the President is technically impeached, no matter what or when the Senate decides.
Note- I am not getting into wether this impeachement is justified or a witch hunt. Mearly stating how the process actually works.
Your technicality is correct. But, (there are always buts hehehehe), in order for The Senate to vote to convict i.e. remove an individual from Office, One must currently HOLD/OCCUPY said Office in real time! This is simple logic or common sense. Some have called this critical thinking skills. It would be really nice for people to actually employ these skills again. Also, I have heard this skill called 'discernment'. At any rate, possession of said skills can be a double edged sword.
Maybe you need to be a bit more discerning in your own critical thinking skills. An arguable precedent has already been set. There are 3 examples of where the Senate has voted on an impeachment after said individual has left the office.
Care to educate me with specifics please.
Well, I would have thought you would have taken your own advice given on another post and researched the validity of my statements so you could discern for yourself - but ok. These 3 individuals had Senate impeachment investigations conducted on them after they left or were removed from their office. 1797 - William Blount - Senator 1861 - West Humphreys - Federal Judge 1876- William Belknap - Secretary of War According to my research, there has only been one time when the Senate chose not to vote on Articles of Impeachment brought forth by the House. That was William Blount. It was determined in the Senate impeachment investigation that -as a senator- he wasn't actually holding a civil office- and therefor was only eligable for expulsion not impeachment. |
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             Location: North Texas | KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 8:01 AM
foundation horse - 2021-01-25 7:09 AM
KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 6:57 AM
foundation horse - 2021-01-25 6:23 AM
KindaClassey - 2021-01-25 5:52 AM
foundation horse - 2021-01-24 7:17 PM
Follow this line of logic.....Does an individual not have to be in Office in order to be impeached? So, with that being said, is Donald J. Trump POTUS?
Use One's Critical Thinking Skills here.
Technically - Trump was impeached for the 2nd time while he was still in office. Basically the House works like a Grand Jury- supposedly determining if there is enough evidence to bring Articles of Impeachment. The House does that- not the Senate. That is why the hurry up to get it done before he left office. Now those Articles of Impeachment move to the Senate for the actual trial. This is where Trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to defend him. The Senate acts as the jury- deciding innocence or guilt. If guilty- the Senate then decides punishment.
If the House brings Articles of Impeachemnt - the President is technically impeached, no matter what or when the Senate decides.
Note- I am not getting into wether this impeachement is justified or a witch hunt. Mearly stating how the process actually works.
Your technicality is correct. But, (there are always buts hehehehe), in order for The Senate to vote to convict i.e. remove an individual from Office, One must currently HOLD/OCCUPY said Office in real time! This is simple logic or common sense. Some have called this critical thinking skills. It would be really nice for people to actually employ these skills again. Also, I have heard this skill called 'discernment'. At any rate, possession of said skills can be a double edged sword.
Maybe you need to be a bit more discerning in your own critical thinking skills. An arguable precedent has already been set. There are 3 examples of where the Senate has voted on an impeachment after said individual has left the office.
Care to educate me with specifics please.
Well, I would have thought you would have taken your own advice given on another post and researched the validity of my statements so you could discern for yourself - but ok.
These 3 individuals had Senate impeachment investigations conducted on them after they left or were removed from their office.
1797 - William Blount - Senator
1861 - West Humphreys - Federal Judge
1876- William Belknap - Secretary of War
According to my research, there has only been one time when the Senate chose not to vote on Articles of Impeachment brought forth by the House. That was William Blount. It was determined in the Senate impeachment investigation that -as a senator- he wasn't actually holding a civil office- and therefor was only eligable for expulsion not impeachment.
So, you just estashblished historical precedent. I will give you that. Still, logic says, One must be holding an office to be evicted from office. But, hey what do I know? Not much per your line of reasoning, it would seem. |
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