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Ricki
Reg. May 2021
Posted 2021-08-04 9:50 AM
Subject: Update...Tips, tricks and suggestions for a shoe pulling horse


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Some background.  This horse is genetically thinned wall, cracks, etc. a good bit but worse this year because of the weather.  I manage it or did through rubber pull on bell boots, shoe her every 4 weeks, keep her away from her rowdy friends, shortened the shoe --vet recommended-- keep her feet dry as much as possible and start tightening clinches at about 2 weeks into the fresh shoeing.  I have tried diet changes, best supplements out there long term and they offer no support worth fooling with.  

Anybody have a magic wand they can offer? 



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adugan6914
Reg. Jun 2021
Posted 2021-08-04 11:45 AM
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I have a horse with the same issues. It's so frustrating. I use the rubber bell boots. I shoe my own horses and I grind down the shoe edges so there are no sharp edges to catch. I have also started using Equi-Pak CS. I put in all in the sole and around the edges of the shoe back by the heals. It was the 1st time I did it 5 weeks ago and shoes are still on (fingers crossed) I can get one more week. 

 

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Ricki
Reg. May 2021
Posted 2021-08-04 12:12 PM
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adugan6914 - 2021-08-04 11:45 AM


I have a horse with the same issues. It's so frustrating. I use the rubber bell boots. I shoe my own horses and I grind down the shoe edges so there are no sharp edges to catch. I have also started using Equi-Pak CS. I put in all in the sole and around the edges of the shoe back by the heals. It was the 1st time I did it 5 weeks ago and shoes are still on (fingers crossed) I can get one more week. 


 



Thanks! Someone on Facebook just recommended the Vettec Adhere to fill in the cracks tostrengthen her hoof walls so there will be something to nail to.  I will look into the CS to!

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JLazyT_perf_horses
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2021-08-04 1:23 PM
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I have one that used to pull shoes every week just acting stupid in a small dry lot. Pull on bells help, had to try a few before I found long enough ones to cover to the ground. We now hot shoe her and put a toe clip on & she's doing just fine so far. My farrier makes all of his own shoes 

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Ricki
Reg. May 2021
Posted 2021-08-04 1:41 PM
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JLazyT_perf_horses - 2021-08-04 1:23 PM


I have one that used to pull shoes every week just acting stupid in a small dry lot. Pull on bells help, had to try a few before I found long enough ones to cover to the ground. We now hot shoe her and put a toe clip on & she's doing just fine so far. My farrier makes all of his own shoes 


Thanks!  She is hot shod, shoes handmade with clips drawn, usually at the quarter.  Haven't tried a toe clip though.  The bell boots drag the ground over her heels.  I have tried every brand out there and the ribbed pull on work the best that I know of. I could be missing a brand that might work better.  Her feet are just so shelly right now, worse with the rain.  I don't think she has ever been this bad.

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KindaClassey
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2021-08-04 2:16 PM
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I don't have any better suggestions than the bell boots and changes to shoeing that others have mentioned. We really try to get the front feet to break over quicker so to get them out of the way of the hind, and really grind on the ends of the shoes to not have anything sticking out to grab.

Joy Wargo has a video out about taping feet that helps with shoe pullers during runs. I think it has really saved me grabbed shoes during runs on shetchy ground.  I really recommend googling "joy wargo taping feet" to watch her method.

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JLazyT_perf_horses
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2021-08-04 2:38 PM
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KindaClassey - 2021-08-04 2:16 PM


I don't have any better suggestions than the bell boots and changes to shoeing that others have mentioned. We really try to get the front feet to break over quicker so to get them out of the way of the hind, and really grind on the ends of the shoes to not have anything sticking out to grab.


Joy Wargo has a video out about taping feet that helps with shoe pullers during runs. I think it has really saved me grabbed shoes during runs on shetchy ground.  I really recommend googling "joy wargo taping feet" to watch her method.


Yeah, if you have time to tape the feet for turnout or riding, this works well

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Ricki
Reg. May 2021
Posted 2021-08-04 3:01 PM
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KindaClassey - 2021-08-04 2:16 PM

I don't have any better suggestions than the bell boots and changes to shoeing that others have mentioned. We really try to get the front feet to break over quicker so to get them out of the way of the hind, and really grind on the ends of the shoes to not have anything sticking out to grab.

Joy Wargo has a video out about taping feet that helps with shoe pullers during runs. I think it has really saved me grabbed shoes during runs on shetchy ground.  I really recommend googling "joy wargo taping feet" to watch her method.

Thanks.  We have rockered and rolled the toe and it worked to keep the shoes on but it made her sore and she didn't clock very well.  We even gave it an adjustment period.  I have wonder about taping but did't have a clue on how to.  Thanks!  I am off to go look!

 

Edited to add...great video!  Wow that takes the worry out of running her because that was the next problem I was going to try and solve!



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okhorselover
Reg. Feb 2016
Posted 2021-08-04 5:54 PM
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JMHO but I would go longer between shoeing. 4 weeks isn't long enough. Give her some extra time to grow some hoof wall. I do mine every 6 weeks. My farrier is coming tomorrow & it will be 7 weeks since his last shoeing & trims. O.E. has a fantastic hoof supplement called, Hoof Evulution. It's not cheap but worth it. No I don't sell it, I have used it for over a year on one of my horses. I agree with the other posters on bell boots. 

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Ricki
Reg. May 2021
Posted 2021-08-04 7:08 PM
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okhorselover - 2021-08-04 5:54 PM


JMHO but I would go longer between shoeing. 4 weeks isn't long enough. Give her some extra time to grow some hoof wall. I do mine every 6 weeks. My farrier is coming tomorrow & it will be 7 weeks since his last shoeing & trims. O.E. has a fantastic hoof supplement called, Hoof Evulution. It's not cheap but worth it. No I don't sell it, I have used it for over a year on one of my horses. I agree with the other posters on bell boots. 


Growing hoof wall length is not an issue.  It is growing a thick medial and lateral hoof wall that she doesn't do.  It is thin and doesn't give much to clinch to.  We have tried all different intervals and 4 weeks has been the best time frame.  I have a friend that sells O.E.  Thanks!

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euchee
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Posted 2021-08-04 8:57 PM
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Check into using cross fire shoes on the back.

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Ricki
Reg. May 2021
Posted 2021-08-05 10:02 AM
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euchee - 2021-08-04 8:57 PM


Check into using cross fire shoes on the back.


Is that a specific type of shoe or shoeing her as if she cross fires?  I did a search and didn't find anything.

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Ricki
Reg. May 2021
Posted 2021-08-05 10:41 AM
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adugan6914 - 2021-08-04 11:45 AM


I have a horse with the same issues. It's so frustrating. I use the rubber bell boots. I shoe my own horses and I grind down the shoe edges so there are no sharp edges to catch. I have also started using Equi-Pak CS. I put in all in the sole and around the edges of the shoe back by the heals. It was the 1st time I did it 5 weeks ago and shoes are still on (fingers crossed) I can get one more week. 


 



Question on the CS since you have worked with it.  I was watching a video on it where they were doing a half fill using the CS to create a bumper and protect the branches of the shoe.  I also watched the video for taping the hoof by Joy Wargo and how she creates a bumper using tape.  It looks like they achieve the same thing but the CS would not have to be removed like the taping until my mare is reshod.  I think my mare would benefit using the CS like you do but build a bumper like it shows in the video.  Thoughts?

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euchee
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Posted 2021-08-05 2:00 PM
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Ricki - 2021-08-05 10:02 AM


euchee - 2021-08-04 8:57 PM


Check into using cross fire shoes on the back.



Is that a specific type of shoe or shoeing her as if she cross fires?  I did a search and didn't find anything.


It is a way to shape the shoe.  I had a horse that was impossible to keep shoes on the front end until we went with the cross fire shoe with a trailer on the outside.  The front of the shoe on one side is angled off instead of the normal shape.  In my horses case we also had the trailers put on the outside to make him slide away from his front feet.  You might need to find a good "older" corrective shoe'r

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r_beau
Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2021-08-05 3:36 PM
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Ricki - 2021-08-04 9:50 AM


Some background.  This horse is genetically thinned wall, cracks, etc. a good bit but worse this year because of the weather.  I manage it or did through rubber pull on bell boots, shoe her every 4 weeks, keep her away from her rowdy friends, shortened the shoe --vet recommended-- keep her feet dry as much as possible and start tightening clinches at about 2 weeks into the fresh shoeing.  I have tried diet changes, best supplements out there long term and they offer no support worth fooling with.  


Anybody have a magic wand they can offer? 


Is it possible that horse has an undiagnosed lameness issue?

One summer, I could not keep a shoe on Red to save my life. Literally, every single week he was bending or pulling one. And it would vary between front or hind shoes. Later that fall, I discovered he had a catchy stifle on the right hind. Then the next spring, figured out his hocks were fusing too. Got all that feeling better and like magic the shoe pulling stopped.

Now he only does it every so often like the rest of them.

So, something to think about anyway! Farrier and vet told me if something is bothering them, they will "scramble" more when moving around (or be less careful where they put their feet) which will make them much more prone to catching a shoe. Makes sense I guess.

 

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Ricki
Reg. May 2021
Posted 2021-08-05 5:07 PM
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r_beau - 2021-08-05 3:36 PM


Ricki - 2021-08-04 9:50 AM


Some background.  This horse is genetically thinned wall, cracks, etc. a good bit but worse this year because of the weather.  I manage it or did through rubber pull on bell boots, shoe her every 4 weeks, keep her away from her rowdy friends, shortened the shoe --vet recommended-- keep her feet dry as much as possible and start tightening clinches at about 2 weeks into the fresh shoeing.  I have tried diet changes, best supplements out there long term and they offer no support worth fooling with.  


Anybody have a magic wand they can offer? 



Is it possible that horse has an undiagnosed lameness issue?


One summer, I could not keep a shoe on Red to save my life. Literally, every single week he was bending or pulling one. And it would vary between front or hind shoes. Later that fall, I discovered he had a catchy stifle on the right hind. Then the next spring, figured out his hocks were fusing too. Got all that feeling better and like magic the shoe pulling stopped.


Now he only does it every so often like the rest of them.


So, something to think about anyway! Farrier and vet told me if something is bothering them, they will "scramble" more when moving around (or be less careful where they put their feet) which will make them much more prone to catching a shoe. Makes sense I guess.


 


Yes it is possible.  The farrier and I both noticed some resistance in her wanting to extend her right hind.  I had her scheduled for a work up and had to cancel.  She is rescheduled for next week.

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r_beau
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Posted 2021-08-05 10:23 PM
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Ricki - 2021-08-05 5:07 PM


r_beau - 2021-08-05 3:36 PM


Ricki - 2021-08-04 9:50 AM


Some background.  This horse is genetically thinned wall, cracks, etc. a good bit but worse this year because of the weather.  I manage it or did through rubber pull on bell boots, shoe her every 4 weeks, keep her away from her rowdy friends, shortened the shoe --vet recommended-- keep her feet dry as much as possible and start tightening clinches at about 2 weeks into the fresh shoeing.  I have tried diet changes, best supplements out there long term and they offer no support worth fooling with.  


Anybody have a magic wand they can offer? 



Is it possible that horse has an undiagnosed lameness issue?


One summer, I could not keep a shoe on Red to save my life. Literally, every single week he was bending or pulling one. And it would vary between front or hind shoes. Later that fall, I discovered he had a catchy stifle on the right hind. Then the next spring, figured out his hocks were fusing too. Got all that feeling better and like magic the shoe pulling stopped.


Now he only does it every so often like the rest of them.


So, something to think about anyway! Farrier and vet told me if something is bothering them, they will "scramble" more when moving around (or be less careful where they put their feet) which will make them much more prone to catching a shoe. Makes sense I guess.


 



Yes it is possible.  The farrier and I both noticed some resistance in her wanting to extend her right hind.  I had her scheduled for a work up and had to cancel.  She is rescheduled for next week.


Not sure that I want to wish you to find something wrong with your horse but....... maybe it would be a reason for the shoe pulling if vet found something?

Is she shod on all 4 or just front?

Has she been catching all of them or certain ones?

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adugan6914
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Posted 2021-08-05 11:40 PM
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adugan6914 - 2021-08-04 11:45 AM


I have a horse with the same issues. It's so frustrating. I use the rubber bell boots. I shoe my own horses and I grind down the shoe edges so there are no sharp edges to catch. I have also started using Equi-Pak CS. I put in all in the sole and around the edges of the shoe back by the heals. It was the 1st time I did it 5 weeks ago and shoes are still on (fingers crossed) I can get one more week. 


 




Question on the CS since you have worked with it.  I was watching a video on it where they were doing a half fill using the CS to create a bumper and protect the branches of the shoe.  I also watched the video for taping the hoof by Joy Wargo and how she creates a bumper using tape.  It looks like they achieve the same thing but the CS would not have to be removed like the taping until my mare is reshod.  I think my mare would benefit using the CS like you do but build a bumper like it shows in the video.  Thoughts?


Yes, I think it would work to create that bumper you would be looking for. It is a werid material as it is hard yet squishy. I can't really explain it. I think you would have a lot of flexiblity and room for erros as if its too big of a bumper you could shave it down a bit. Good luck! 

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Ricki
Reg. May 2021
Posted 2021-08-06 7:56 AM
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r_beau - 2021-08-05 10:23 PM


Ricki - 2021-08-05 5:07 PM


r_beau - 2021-08-05 3:36 PM


Ricki - 2021-08-04 9:50 AM


Some background.  This horse is genetically thinned wall, cracks, etc. a good bit but worse this year because of the weather.  I manage it or did through rubber pull on bell boots, shoe her every 4 weeks, keep her away from her rowdy friends, shortened the shoe --vet recommended-- keep her feet dry as much as possible and start tightening clinches at about 2 weeks into the fresh shoeing.  I have tried diet changes, best supplements out there long term and they offer no support worth fooling with.  


Anybody have a magic wand they can offer? 



Is it possible that horse has an undiagnosed lameness issue?


One summer, I could not keep a shoe on Red to save my life. Literally, every single week he was bending or pulling one. And it would vary between front or hind shoes. Later that fall, I discovered he had a catchy stifle on the right hind. Then the next spring, figured out his hocks were fusing too. Got all that feeling better and like magic the shoe pulling stopped.


Now he only does it every so often like the rest of them.


So, something to think about anyway! Farrier and vet told me if something is bothering them, they will "scramble" more when moving around (or be less careful where they put their feet) which will make them much more prone to catching a shoe. Makes sense I guess.


 



Yes it is possible.  The farrier and I both noticed some resistance in her wanting to extend her right hind.  I had her scheduled for a work up and had to cancel.  She is rescheduled for next week.



Not sure that I want to wish you to find something wrong with your horse but....... maybe it would be a reason for the shoe pulling if vet found something?


Is she shod on all 4 or just front?


Has she been catching all of them or certain ones?


She is shod all 4.  We just recently starting to shoe all 4 again since I was going to start running her again.  She has always pulled the right front for years if she was going to pull one.  She is high low, low on the right.  The last 6 months she has pulled both but still usually the right.  

When we rockered her toe in front the last go round she was so off in her hind end it wasn't funny.  It accented the stiffness of her right hind even more.  I didn't ride her at all until we reset her.  

My problem is in order to do a decent lameness work up I have to get shoes on her and make sure she is foot sound so we can find out if anything else is going on. 

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Southtxponygirl
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Posted 2021-08-09 2:45 PM
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I would have your farrier shorten up her back toes just a hair and square them off. Have to do this to my gelding that would grab the front with his back, once we started the squaring up of his back toes this stoped the losing/pulling of front shoes.



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