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     Location: OH. IO | why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid? Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH? What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alot but what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine.... Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON, | |
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      Location: Tulsa, Ok | Why do you think people are not getting the meds he did? He got Monoclonal antibodies, Remdesivir, Dex and Zink. All of these are used pretty commonly at this point. I know people that have received them in Podunk Oklahoma.
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| When we got Covid my husband was the only one that needed meds. His doctor put him on a strong antibiotic, steroid and an inhaler. He unfortunately needed more than these meds and thankfully we found a doctor who would prescribe ivermectin. Sounds like you need to go doctor shopping. There are doctors out there that are proactively treating Covid patients, but they are few and far between in our experience. | |
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        Location: Kansas | Under Trump the clock was ticking like a timebomb to count all the deaths not only in the United States but all over the world. Fast forward to Joe and it's a yawner especially for liberal media. All you hear is the war on the unvaccinated. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | President Trump had the government buy about 2 million doses of Regeneron last year when it was granted EUA. He doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves for this kind of bold action. Those doses are paid for by taxpayers. I know there are reports of people being told they have to pay for it. The hospitals and clinics can charge for the cost of administration, but not the $2000 it costs for the Regeneron itself. I had an older neighbor fella with COPD call me all distraught telling me that the clinic was telling him he would be charged for the Regeneron. I told him to tell them that's bullsh!t and that he already paid for it as a taxpayer. That's all it took. He got it and he's fine now. It really only works well if you get it early in the course of Covid. If you wait until you need oxygen or a ventilator, you've waited too long. If you are a young, healthy person with no comorbidities, technically, you are not qualified to get Regeneron, but if you have comorbidities or are over 65 and you have early Covid, I'd recommend it. It is not a perfect panacea, but it reduces the risk of hospitalization or death by about 70% and shortens the duration of the disease by 4-5 days. Also, if you have significant comorbidities and you have been closely exposed to someone with Covid, you are eligible to receive Regeneron prophylactically. Bottom line for me is if you get covid symptoms and test positive, call your doc or local clinic or hospital and tell them you want it....insist, if necessary. Same thing with post exposure prophylaxis. Texas has over 20 designated Regeneron infusion centers. | |
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     Location: OH. IO | Bear - 2021-10-26 12:11 PM
President Trump had the government buy about 2 million doses of Regeneron last year when it was granted EUA. He doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves for this kind of bold action. Those doses are paid for by taxpayers. I know there are reports of people being told they have to pay for it. The hospitals and clinics can charge for the cost of administration, but not the $2000 it costs for the Regeneron itself. I had an older neighbor fella with COPD call me all distraught telling me that the clinic was telling him he would be charged for the Regeneron. I told him to tell them that's bullsh!t and that he already paid for it as a taxpayer. That's all it took. He got it and he's fine now. It really only works well if you get it early in the course of Covid. If you wait until you need oxygen or a ventilator, you've waited too long. If you are a young, healthy person with no comorbidities, technically, you are not qualified to get Regeneron, but if you have comorbidities or are over 65 and you have early Covid, I'd recommend it. It is not a perfect panacea, but it reduces the risk of hospitalization or death by about 70% and shortens the duration of the disease by 4-5 days.
Also, if you have significant comorbidities and you have been closely exposed to someone with Covid, you are eligible to receive Regeneron prophylactically. Bottom line for me is if you get covid symptoms and test positive, call your doc or local clinic or hospital and tell them you want it....insist, if necessary. Same thing with post exposure prophylaxis. Texas has over 20 designated Regeneron infusion centers.
You are so right,he does not get the credit he deserves(TRUMP)for his actions,while this administration is basically doing nothing.thank you for all the info:) | |
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   Location: Randolph, Utah | jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM
why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?
Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?
What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alot but what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....
Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,
I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing! I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help! Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine! I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand! 
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     Location: OH. IO | JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 12:47 PM
jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM
why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?
Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?
What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alot but what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....
Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,
I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!
I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help!
Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine!
I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand! 
Ahhhhh,you and bear got my point,IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST BEING SENT HOME AND TOLD TO RIDE IT OUT, there are options and we need to DEMAND TREATMENT!!!! | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM
jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM
why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?
Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?
What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alot but what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....
Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,
I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!
I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help!
Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine!
I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand! 
Hospitals that refuse to treat patients who are not vaccinated should be subject to very stiff penalties. That's not what medicine is supposed to do. We've treated people in spite of their perceived wrong choices all the time....millions every day, in fact. Obese people, for example. Diabetics who don't watch their diet. Stroke victims who didn't comply with taking their meds. Motorcyclists who don't wear a hemet. The list goes on and on. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM
jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM
why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?
Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?
What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alot but what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....
Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,
I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!
I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help!
Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine!
I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand! 
There are H1 and H2 histamine receptors. Some Some Covid symptoms are thought to be mediated by histamine, which is a natural component of the immune response. Zyrtec (Cetrizine) is an H1 receptor blocker. Pepcid (Famotidine) is one of several H2 receptor blockers. It was originally sold as a treatment of peptic ulcer disease as H2 receptors are partially responsible for secretion of gastric acid. Incidentally, Benadryl is an H1 blocker, but drowsiness makes it less desirable. It's thought that H1 and H2 blockers help to lesson some Covid symptoms. That makes sense. I don't know if they improve actual outcomes, in terms of hospitalization or death. When someone comes in with a bee or wasp sting, I usually tell them to take Zyrtec and Pepsid.....lessens itching and swelling. | |
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     Location: OH. IO | GLP - 2021-10-26 9:11 AM
When we got Covid my husband was the only one that needed meds. His doctor put him on a strong antibiotic, steroid and an inhaler. He unfortunately needed more than these meds and thankfully we found a doctor who would prescribe ivermectin. Sounds like you need to go doctor shopping. There are doctors out there that are proactively treating Covid patients, but they are few and far between in our experience.
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| Now this is my burning question... We all know blood clots are a risk of the vaccine, some more than others. They ask about blood clotting disorders before getting vaccinated (based on some reports from friends). However, no one can explain why... is it for research? I have factor 5 meaning my blood clots too much. I am hesitant to get the vaccine because of this and when I ask about that question on the paperwork, no one knows. Youd think if you check yes, theyd handle you differently then if you checked no? One nurse said they ask to know how much pressure to put on after the shot.... lol now that i dont by... | |
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| jake16 - 2021-10-26 6:25 PM
GLP - 2021-10-26 9:11 AM
When we got Covid my husband was the only one that needed meds. His doctor put him on a strong antibiotic, steroid and an inhaler. He unfortunately needed more than these meds and thankfully we found a doctor who would prescribe ivermectin. Sounds like you need to go doctor shopping. There are doctors out there that are proactively treating Covid patients, but they are few and far between in our experience.
How is your hubby doing?
He is fine now, but it took awhile to get his stamina and energy back. I think having ulcerative colitis has something to do with that. Probably a month to get back to normal. | |
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| Bear - 2021-10-26 1:12 PM
JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM
jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM
why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?
Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?
What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alot but what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....
Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,
I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!
I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help!
Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine!
I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand! 
There are H1 and H2 histamine receptors. Some Some Covid symptoms are thought to be mediated by histamine, which is a natural component of the immune response. Zyrtec (Cetrizine) is an H1 receptor blocker. Pepcid (Famotidine) is one of several H2 receptor blockers. It was originally sold as a treatment of peptic ulcer disease as H2 receptors are partially responsible for secretion of gastric acid. Incidentally, Benadryl is an H1 blocker, but drowsiness makes it less desirable. It's thought that H1 and H2 blockers help to lesson some Covid symptoms. That makes sense. I don't know if they improve actual outcomes, in terms of hospitalization or death. When someone comes in with a bee or wasp sting, I usually tell them to take Zyrtec and Pepsid.....lessens itching and swelling.
I have a question, I apologize if it is kind of a loony one. I read that there is a study that suggests HOW the shot is given MAY have some influence of whether myocarditis and pericarditis can be a side effect of the shot. The study said since the shot is a intramuscular shot, the shot giver should pull the plunger back to see if any blood comes up and if so they should move to a slightly different site. The study explained that with mice, when they didn't do this and hit a vein the vaccine was introduced into the blood instead of the muscle and a percentage of the mice developed myocarditis/pericarditis. So my question is should we pay attention to how they give the shot if we decide to get it? I know my vet pulls the plunger back a little when he gives shots intramuscular and he advises me to do so when I have to give shots. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | stayceem - 2021-10-27 8:42 AM Now this is my burning question... We all know blood clots are a risk of the vaccine, some more than others. They ask about blood clotting disorders before getting vaccinated (based on some reports from friends). However, no one can explain why... is it for research? I have factor 5 meaning my blood clots too much. I am hesitant to get the vaccine because of this and when I ask about that question on the paperwork, no one knows. Youd think if you check yes, theyd handle you differently then if you checked no? One nurse said they ask to know how much pressure to put on after the shot.... lol now that i dont by... The blood clotting risk is said to be about 7 in a million doses in people who received the J&J vaccine. I'm not aware of any unusual risk in people who received the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Here's the important point that many miss when they get worried about the rare blood clotting risk after the J&J - if you are worried about blood clots then you need to understand that Covid19 itself causes blood clotting in veins and arteries at a vastly higher rate than the J&J vaccine. As to your more unique concerns over factor V, I honestly think you need to sit down with your doctor and decide, but once again your risk of life threatening blood clots is higher from Covid19 itself versus the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine. If someone is concerned about clots, but still want to consider a vaccine, I'd opt for one of the mRNA vaccines. The risk of clots from the J&J is highest in women under 50. That risk drops off significantly in women over 50....like 1 in a million. If you get Covid19 and wind up in an ICU then your risk is very high in comparison.... like 25-30%!
So...bottom line.....arm yourself with the facts I just presented to you, then present them to your doctor and make a decision. Do some of your own research as well, but be wary of crazy claims from dubious sources, particulary if they are antivax advocates. Covid has resulted in a ground swell of antivax advocates. That's unfortunate. ETA: people with elevated OR abnormally low factor V have a higher risk of clotting from Covid19 itself.
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | GLP - 2021-10-27 10:37 AM
Bear - 2021-10-26 1:12 PM
JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM
jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM
why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?
Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?
What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alot but what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....
Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,
I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!
I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help!
Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine!
I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand! 
There are H1 and H2 histamine receptors. Some Some Covid symptoms are thought to be mediated by histamine, which is a natural component of the immune response. Zyrtec (Cetrizine) is an H1 receptor blocker. Pepcid (Famotidine) is one of several H2 receptor blockers. It was originally sold as a treatment of peptic ulcer disease as H2 receptors are partially responsible for secretion of gastric acid. Incidentally, Benadryl is an H1 blocker, but drowsiness makes it less desirable. It's thought that H1 and H2 blockers help to lesson some Covid symptoms. That makes sense. I don't know if they improve actual outcomes, in terms of hospitalization or death. When someone comes in with a bee or wasp sting, I usually tell them to take Zyrtec and Pepsid.....lessens itching and swelling.
I have a question, I apologize if it is kind of a loony one. I read that there is a study that suggests HOW the shot is given MAY have some influence of whether myocarditis and pericarditis can be a side effect of the shot. The study said since the shot is a intramuscular shot, the shot giver should pull the plunger back to see if any blood comes up and if so they should move to a slightly different site. The study explained that with mice, when they didn't do this and hit a vein the vaccine was introduced into the blood instead of the muscle and a percentage of the mice developed myocarditis/pericarditis. So my question is should we pay attention to how they give the shot if we decide to get it? I know my vet pulls the plunger back a little when he gives shots intramuscular and he advises me to do so when I have to give shots.
Well, I'm not aware of this study, but the practice of pulling back on the plunger when giving IM injections to avoid a direct injection into a blood vessel has been standard practice forever. | |
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   Location: Nebraska | Bear - 2021-10-27 11:14 AM
GLP - 2021-10-27 10:37 AM
Bear - 2021-10-26 1:12 PM
JcNhEmI - 2021-10-26 11:47 AM
jake16 - 2021-10-25 5:46 PM
why are they NOT distributing the cocktail that TRUMP got for covid?
Why do they not start an antibiotic for the BACTERIAL Pneumonia that is cause for ALOT OF COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH?
What is this LAME DUCK ADMINISTRATION DOING,to stop it,I know the open borders are helping alot but what else are they doing,ya ya,I know we have a vaccine....
Any input????I dont care how political this gets,ROCK ON,
I was just thinking of making a post about this same thing!
I have heard that Zyrtec (Cetirizine) and Pepcid (Famotidine) will greatly reduce the symptoms of covid-19. A friend who tested positive said after a couple days of those 2 meds he feels 100%, he only had mild symptoms but he thinks it did help!
Why is this not common knowledge, oh right because it's cheap and the government can't control it! It's all about the vaccine!
I have been hearing some hospitals are refusing care if you are not vaccinated, I know for a fact some of the staff at one hospital are not vaccinated so how can you refuse care when you've got staff not vaccinated?? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand! 
There are H1 and H2 histamine receptors. Some Some Covid symptoms are thought to be mediated by histamine, which is a natural component of the immune response. Zyrtec (Cetrizine) is an H1 receptor blocker. Pepcid (Famotidine) is one of several H2 receptor blockers. It was originally sold as a treatment of peptic ulcer disease as H2 receptors are partially responsible for secretion of gastric acid. Incidentally, Benadryl is an H1 blocker, but drowsiness makes it less desirable. It's thought that H1 and H2 blockers help to lesson some Covid symptoms. That makes sense. I don't know if they improve actual outcomes, in terms of hospitalization or death. When someone comes in with a bee or wasp sting, I usually tell them to take Zyrtec and Pepsid.....lessens itching and swelling.
I have a question, I apologize if it is kind of a loony one. I read that there is a study that suggests HOW the shot is given MAY have some influence of whether myocarditis and pericarditis can be a side effect of the shot. The study said since the shot is a intramuscular shot, the shot giver should pull the plunger back to see if any blood comes up and if so they should move to a slightly different site. The study explained that with mice, when they didn't do this and hit a vein the vaccine was introduced into the blood instead of the muscle and a percentage of the mice developed myocarditis/pericarditis. So my question is should we pay attention to how they give the shot if we decide to get it? I know my vet pulls the plunger back a little when he gives shots intramuscular and he advises me to do so when I have to give shots.
Well, I'm not aware of this study, but the practice of pulling back on the plunger when giving IM injections to avoid a direct injection into a blood vessel has been standard practice forever.
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