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| jojammer - 2013-08-25 8:08 PM So for the qualifier, if I understand this right, will cost me $750. Of that $750, only $125 goes in the pot that day. Another $125 goes to Mesquite for the semi finals. No entry fee there. Then, all the rest goes in a pot at the American, where the pros and the rest run at each other. Did the pros go to a qualifier? Did they pay any entry fee? Do they pay an entry fee at the American, or are they running at my money? this to me sounds like, IF I made it, (theoretically speaking) that I would enter a qualifier for not a very big pot, then the semis, for not a very big pot, only to go to the American, where it's double hard to win, for the big $, only to have a CHANCE TO DRAW $1 mil. I'm not sure if I like it.... The "pro" competitiors have their own qualifier........ making the top 10 in the PRCA/WPRA. There's is a year long qualifier. This is the chance for those who don't rodeo full time to compete against them. It would not only be for a chance at big bucks, bragging rights, promotion of themselves, and promotion of their horse's bloodlines. Sounds like a great deal for those who can't haul full time or who don't rodeo. Like you said it will be tough to win at The American, but those competing in the qualifiers feel like they can win on any given day.
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| jojammer - 2013-08-25 8:08 PM So for the qualifier, if I understand this right, will cost me $750. Of that $750, only $125 goes in the pot that day. Another $125 goes to Mesquite for the semi finals. No entry fee there. Then, all the rest goes in a pot at the American, where the pros and the rest run at each other. Did the pros go to a qualifier? Did they pay any entry fee? Do they pay an entry fee at the American, or are they running at my money? this to me sounds like, IF I made it, (theoretically speaking) that I would enter a qualifier for not a very big pot, then the semis, for not a very big pot, only to go to the American, where it's double hard to win, for the big $, only to have a CHANCE TO DRAW $1 mil. I'm not sure if I like it....
Not exactly right on the payouts - Entry fee is $500 with 100% being paid back out - 25% to the qualifying show, 25% to the semi finals at Mesquite and the remainder going into the pot for The American. Now let's look closer at the qualifier and semi finals level - say you get 200 entries at each qualifier - that's $25,000 paid on the qualifier level - then at the semi finals - that would be $125,000 paid out. Depending on the number of places paid, sounds like pretty good money to me. | |
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Location: OK | The "pro" competitiors have their own qualifier........ making the top 10 in the PRCA/WPRA. There's is a year long qualifier. This is the chance for those who don't rodeo full time to compete against them. It would not only be for a chance at big bucks, bragging rights, promotion of themselves, and promotion of their horse's bloodlines. Sounds like a great deal for those who can't haul full time or who don't rodeo. Like you said it will be tough to win at The American, but those competing in the qualifiers feel like they can win on any given day.
I don't care how much $ they spend all year on rodeos, I care how much they spend that will go in the pot I am running at. What I'm saying is... our qualifier EF puts $ in the pot at the American. Does theirs?
I must've read the $750 wrong, but even at $500, if a % of that goes in the pot for the American out of my EF, but they don't pay an EF, that doesn't work for me.
It's the same principle as saying you have a $5000 added 5D barrel race. You aren't running at $5000, you're running at the $ that will be added to the D you will place in.
I would be game to go to this thing, but I'm just saying, becareful about reading advertising for big purses without figuring out exactly how much of that can potentially go into your pocket related to how much you are going to spend.
What if all pros win all events and nobody gets to draw at the $mil? Do the producers keep it? | |
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Location: OK | I don't know if they pay a fee or not, that was my original question. I'm just saying they should because if they don't, that's almost like we are paying them to come run against us...... for a purse that our entry fees made and bragging rights...
I don't really brag, but I guess I would stand on the roof of the barn and yell it if I won at this thing  | |
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| In the rules it said saddle bronc and bareback qualifier fees are $750 with $250 going to stock I think. The barrel race fee is $500 for the qualifiers. It did say once they've paid the fee in the qualifier there is no other fee to pay. I am not seeing anything about the NFR top 10 having to pay a fee. I am assuming the money will be put up for them somewhere else since they are being invited. Just like the fees at the NFR are paid by sponsors...... Heck I don't know. I am just guessing. Maybe they are paying a fee and it just doesn't say it on the rules list since the rules document is more about the qualifiers. I would assume their is an entry fee for the top 10 NFR contestants..... it may just not have to be paid by the contestant and instead by an outside source or sponsor...... more incentive to get them to compete since it doesn't count for NFR money......... who knows??
http://ftpcontent2.worldnow.com/rfdtv/the-american/completerules.pdf
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Location: OK | It says the top 10 will be able to compete free of entry fees.
So all the % of all the qualifiers will make the purse at the American, plus some I'm sure.
This is cool and would be so fun if you just wanted to go, but I'm saying, this is not set up for anyone but the top 10 and the producers. They run at a good purse for no entry fees, the producer is going to get ALOT of entry fee % from all the qualifiers, and it's just a whisper of a chance that a nonpro will win an event and they will have to give that other million away. I hope hope a non-top10 wins and they do give it away. I think if not, it might die right there. That would be pretty discouraging. | |
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| jojammer - 2013-08-25 9:27 PM It says the top 10 will be able to compete free of entry fees. So all the % of all the qualifiers will make the purse at the American, plus some I'm sure. This is cool and would be so fun if you just wanted to go, but I'm saying, this is not set up for anyone but the top 10 and the producers. They run at a good purse for no entry fees, the producer is going to get ALOT of entry fee % from all the qualifiers, and it's just a whisper of a chance that a nonpro will win an event and they will have to give that other million away. I hope hope a non-top10 wins and they do give it away. I think if not, it might die right there. That would be pretty discouraging. When it says "free of fees", I assume the fees will be paid by a sponsor........maybe not. Maybe someone involved can answer that.
I think there is a good chance a qualifier non top ten NFR could win each event. Heck many of them may be former NFR competitors. There are a ton of toughs in all events out there who don't go much.
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Location: Mansfield, TX | The top 10 do not pay an entry fee. They compete by invitation at the finals only. On the other hand, they aren't allowed to win $$$ at the Regional Qualifiers or Semi-finals,,,not to mention the $1,000,000 sidepot. If a qualifier jumps up and wins the whole thing they will win $100,000 and possibly up to $1.100.000. No matter how you shake it out, there has never been this kind of prize money offered ANYWHERE!!
On behalf of BBR, we are PROUD and EXCITED to be a part of such an incredible opportunity for ALL barrel racers. Can you imagine a $1,100,000 payday for one lucky person? It chould be a life changing event.
Granted this event might not be for everyone. But for alot of people it's the answer to their dreams and there's nothing else out there that can even compete moneywise. Personally, I think we should all be appreciative that RFD-TV had the vision and forsight to bring so many organizations together to make this thing a reality. | |
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| Destry Fleming - 2013-08-25 9:37 PM The top 10 do not pay an entry fee. They compete by invitation at the finals only. On the other hand, they aren't allowed to win $$$ at the Regional Qualifiers or Semi-finals,,,not to mention the $1,000,000 sidepot. If a qualifier jumps up and wins the whole thing they will win $100,000 and possibly up to $1.100.000. No matter how you shake it out, there has never been this kind of prize money offered ANYWHERE!!
On behalf of BBR, we are PROUD and EXCITED to be a part of such an incredible opportunity for ALL barrel racers. Can you imagine a $1,100,000 payday for one lucky person? It chould be a life changing event.
Granted this event might not be for everyone. But for alot of people it's the answer to their dreams and there's nothing else out there that can even compete moneywise. Personally, I think we should all be appreciative that RFD-TV had the vision and forsight to bring so many organizations together to make this thing a reality.
Thank you Destry! That makes sense. | |
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Location: Mansfield, TX | Sodapop you've got me to thinking!! Let me get some questions answered tomorrow and I'll post back. | |
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Location: Kansas | outrundaizy - 2013-08-25 1:14 AM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-24 12:05 PM 3 To Go - 2013-08-23 4:29 PM rodeowithjoker - 2013-08-23 6:20 AM I was getting excited and thinking I'd for sure go to the Lincoln Barrel Bash this year but then I saw that its a $500 entry fee to run in their qualifier race. I was hoping it was just part of the Barrel Bash or had a smaller entry fee......$100 maybe but I don't see any way "normal" people could (or would be willing to) swing $500. A normal entry fee for a pro rodeo is right around $100 when they have $2000 added. Salinas was $400 and they had around 125 girls this year. Futurity entry fees are $600 and up with the slot races being $5000. Those people won't bat an eye. Their intent is not to have the "normal" people. They want the people who can compete and those people won't give a second thought to paying that $500 entry fee because they know they have a horse that can win at at level. What will be interesting is seeing if the top 4D horses can run in the "rodeo" atmosphere. It's quite different to run on bad ground with a lot of distractions around the arena than at a 4D barrel race with perfect ground and some music playing. No matter how hard they try, the ground will not be like it is at the barrel races unless they set up a separate arena for the barrel race only, or run the barrel race first. After you have everyone tromping around on the ground for a couple hours before you run barrels at a rodeo in a performance it changes a bit!
Chance loves the pen at Lincoln so if he will win a couple grand the next couple weekends, I might have to give it a shot. 
I do agree that it will be interesting to see those big time 4D horses run on less than perfect ground and in a wilder atmosphere with a screaming crowd.
Oh I'm definitely considering it. We're finally getting back on track after a horrible summer of on & off soreness so hopefully by October we'll be firing on all cylinders. | |
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| Destry Fleming - 2013-08-25 10:11 PM Sodapop you've got me to thinking!! Let me get some questions answered tomorrow and I'll post back.
Thanks Destry! While you are at it, find out if it will all be aired on RFD-TV since that is the only way I will likely get to watch it. LOL I hope they show the semi-finals on tv too. | |
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Location: Texas | sodapop - 2013-08-25 10:24 PM Destry Fleming - 2013-08-25 10:11 PM Sodapop you've got me to thinking!! Let me get some questions answered tomorrow and I'll post back. Thanks Destry! While you are at it, find out if it will all be aired on RFD-TV since that is the only way I will likely get to watch it. LOL I hope they show the semi-finals on tv too.
Yes please! I had my husband talked into going to watch... but then figured out it was 2 weeks from my due date. So I have to watch it on TV if I want to watch it at all. | |
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Location: Qld Australia | I may be the odd on out, but I can EASILY see the qualifiers winning. Just think about it; there are SO many great competitors that DON'T follow the NFR trail. Yet they are as good and sometimes BETTER than the current top 10. | |
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Location: ND | rockinj - 2013-08-26 2:29 AM I may be the odd on out, but I can EASILY see the qualifiers winning. Just think about it; there are SO many great competitors that DON'T follow the NFR trail. Yet they are as good and sometimes BETTER than the current top 10.
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| I envision a lot of pro's entering the qualifying rounds for that kind of money. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | Destry Fleming - 2013-08-25 9:37 PM The top 10 do not pay an entry fee. They compete by invitation at the finals only. On the other hand, they aren't allowed to win $$$ at the Regional Qualifiers or Semi-finals,,,not to mention the $1,000,000 sidepot. If a qualifier jumps up and wins the whole thing they will win $100,000 and possibly up to $1.100.000. No matter how you shake it out, there has never been this kind of prize money offered ANYWHERE!!
On behalf of BBR, we are PROUD and EXCITED to be a part of such an incredible opportunity for ALL barrel racers. Can you imagine a $1,100,000 payday for one lucky person? It chould be a life changing event.
Granted this event might not be for everyone. But for alot of people it's the answer to their dreams and there's nothing else out there that can even compete moneywise. Personally, I think we should all be appreciative that RFD-TV had the vision and forsight to bring so many organizations together to make this thing a reality.
Will the "qualifier race" be a seperate race from the actual race, or will it run as a sidepot? I assume it will be a side pot, but wanting to confirm. | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | jojammer - 2013-08-25 6:08 PM
So for the qualifier, if I understand this right, will cost me $750. Of that $750, only $125 goes in the pot that day. Another $125 goes to Mesquite for the semi finals. No entry fee there.
Then, all the rest goes in a pot at the American, where the pros and the rest run at each other. Did the pros go to a qualifier? Did they pay any entry fee? Do they pay an entry fee at the American, or are they running at my money?
this to me sounds like, IF I made it, (theoretically speaking) that I would enter a qualifier for not a very big pot, then the semis, for not a very big pot, only to go to the American, where it's double hard to win, for the big $, only to have a CHANCE TO DRAW $1 mil.
I'm not sure if I like it....
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Location: Mansfield, TX | clover girl - 2013-08-26 10:49 AM Destry Fleming - 2013-08-25 9:37 PM The top 10 do not pay an entry fee. They compete by invitation at the finals only. On the other hand, they aren't allowed to win $$$ at the Regional Qualifiers or Semi-finals,,,not to mention the $1,000,000 sidepot. If a qualifier jumps up and wins the whole thing they will win $100,000 and possibly up to $1.100.000. No matter how you shake it out, there has never been this kind of prize money offered ANYWHERE!!
On behalf of BBR, we are PROUD and EXCITED to be a part of such an incredible opportunity for ALL barrel racers. Can you imagine a $1,100,000 payday for one lucky person? It chould be a life changing event.
Granted this event might not be for everyone. But for alot of people it's the answer to their dreams and there's nothing else out there that can even compete moneywise. Personally, I think we should all be appreciative that RFD-TV had the vision and forsight to bring so many organizations together to make this thing a reality. Will the "qualifier race" be a seperate race from the actual race, or will it run as a sidepot? I assume it will be a side pot, but wanting to confirm.
There are 5 qualifer races scattered across the US. For all the info go to www.betterbarrelraces.com
The first qualifer is September 28, 2013 in Loveland, CO at the Ranch-Larimer County Fairgrounds indoor arena. It is being hosted by Mile Hile Barrel Racing and will be ran as a sidepot to their main race on Saturday. | |
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