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Location: North MS | I haven't watched the video but want to suggest a few things for you. Squats- you don't have to get parallel with the floor or anything. Go down an inch if you can manage and increase the number you can do each day. Build up to deeper squats. When you can do decent squats, try small lunges. Maybe 10 to start and work your way up in number and lower down. Then start working on wall squats. 10 seconds, 20, 30 and so on. When you can do a minute you can surely post a trot :). Fix you! Get to the top of your game so your horse can improve. Also bareback roundpen exercises for balance would be Great physical therapy for you. Plus help you with riding your own horse layer. Use a well broke trainers horse for this. Not another crazy horse a trainer has. Good luck and remember to have fun! |
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Location: ILLINOIS | I'm not going to critique your seat. With that said,
After watching your video. The first issue I spotted was at 15sec. Instead of pushing her out with your inside (left) leg and keeping her nose pointed towards the barrel heading to the second barrel, you have her nose tipped out and away from the barrel. Which makes it confusing and hard for a young horse to pick up the correct lead on a barrel, when you have her bent away from the barrel which encourages the opposite lead. I'd lope large left handed circles and put a barrel in the middle. Gradually making your circles smaller and smaller, then pushing out with your inside (left) leg to make the circle bigger, all while keeping her nose tipped towards the barrel and her rib cage rounded around your left leg. If she still isn't picking up her leads after you do that, slow back down. I'd transition down to a walk from a trot several times, remember to keep her nose pointed towards the barrel and your inside leg pushing her out. (This is the same on all barrels)
She seems to be swinging her rear end out too. I'd stop and back up, right as you reach the barrel, then press your inside (left) leg into her and tip her nose towards the barrel making her step over and around it. Make sure you sit deep in your seat on your turns. You leaning forward and slightly lifted from your seat is an encouragement to turn on her front end and swing her butt around.
I can't really see from a good enough angle on the first or the third barrel to really get an idea of whats going on, but this is the little issues I see. And someone else probably has said or mentioned it, I just didn't read through all the posts. :) |
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| Thanks guys. She got a massage today for 15 minutes then stretched. She was sore/out in so many different places. Something popped while stretching she side in relief then started licking and chewing. She will continue to get a massage 15 minutes a day along with stretching for the next week or so. Should know if its working in a few days. I went this way first because I was pretty sure she was out on the left side and she is all over. I will get a good vet to look at her soon. But won't put her back on barrels or much less ride her till this is all ruled out. She's not limping either. There was no heat, no swelling no fluid build up. So I'm kinda miffed. I hope these massages help, pretty sure they are already with how she sighed and was licking and chewing. |
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Location: Texas | BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-22 11:47 PM
Thanks guys. She got a massage today for 15 minutes then stretched. She was sore/out in so many different places. Something popped while stretching she side in relief then started licking and chewing. She will continue to get a massage 15 minutes a day along with stretching for the next week or so. Should know if its working in a few days. I went this way first because I was pretty sure she was out on the left side and she is all over. I will get a good vet to look at her soon. But won't put her back on barrels or much less ride her till this is all ruled out. She's not limping either. There was no heat, no swelling no fluid build up. So I'm kinda miffed. I hope these massages help, pretty sure they are already with how she sighed and was licking and chewing.
Get a good chiro to adjust her... That's the only way you'll really get everything all lined back up then do the massage...It'll help keep everything loose so it can heal and return to normal working form |
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| PiggyDog - 2013-09-22 11:52 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-09-22 11:47 PM
Thanks guys. She got a massage today for 15 minutes then stretched. She was sore/out in so many different places. Something popped while stretching she side in relief then started licking and chewing. She will continue to get a massage 15 minutes a day along with stretching for the next week or so. Should know if its working in a few days. I went this way first because I was pretty sure she was out on the left side and she is all over. I will get a good vet to look at her soon. But won't put her back on barrels or much less ride her till this is all ruled out. She's not limping either. There was no heat, no swelling no fluid build up. So I'm kinda miffed. I hope these massages help, pretty sure they are already with how she sighed and was licking and chewing.
Get a good chiro to adjust her... That's the only way you'll really get everything all lined back up then do the massage...It'll help keep everything loose so it can heal and return to normal working form
I've been told the only reason a bone is ever out is because of the tension the muscle holds on the bone. The massaging loosens everything and the bone along with stretching will all go back in naturally once no tension is left. I don't like pop and crunch I think it does more harm then good. I do however have a chiro who uses a human applicator(pretty sure thats what its called) and she also massages. |
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| Do you have access to a round pen where you can practice riding without reins? Just do it at a walk using your body and legs to move her. If you don't have a round pen you can have someone put you on a lunge line. Reins are not the steering wheel, your body is. Don't feel bad, my girls had weekly lessons from a trainer for 3 years before we realized something was missing. We switched to a new trainer and after one lesson she said I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but they need to go to the round pen. They stayed there for a month with no stirrups or reins learning to feel the horse and use their body- lessons never taught at the other place. I can't emphasize enough what a HUGH difference that made. Within 3 months I had friends tell me how much better the girls were riding and with the improvement they enjoyed it more and so did the horses. Here is a picture of my niece who wants to be a barrel racer. Her trainer said no barrels till she could lope bareback with no hands. It is all about balance in the saddle.
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Location: North Dakota | I read through some of the replies, but not quite all of them.
Mostly what I see is that your horse does not know how to use her body effectively. On the approach to the first barrel, her nose is in the air, she's evading the bit (throwing her nose too), she's kinda "diving" into the turn (although not necessarily dropping a shoulder). Second barrel she's got her nose cranked to the inside, but she doesn't really have the same bend in her body, and she's swinging her butt around and not using it properly. I feel that pictures speak a thousand words. Here's her body position when you are tryiing to make her circle the barrel 500 times.
She's learning nothing from your barrel practice, because she doesn't know how to use her body in the right way. (Or possibly, being cued wrong by you.) She looks like she's trying her darndest for you, but you aren't giving her much help.
No, your riding is not perfect. Understandable when you are coming back from an injury. But on that same token, if you can't ride effectively right now, you shouldn't be taking it out on your horse, making her do the barrels incorrectly because you can't ride up to par.
Honestly though, this looks like something that has been going on much longer that your injury. I think you need to forget about barrel racing on her right now. And instead, focus on getting her more broke. Work on getting her to use each part of her body effectively; especially her hind end. Work on getting bend all throughout her body, and not just artifically in her head/neck. Get her softer in the bit so she's not evading you. Use LEGS LEGS LEGS LEGS on her; less bit. You need to take the time to teach her to use her body effectively before you can expect her to do the barrel pattern effectively.
There may or may not be a soreness component to this. It might be that she just doesn't know how to use her body, or it might be that she's hurting. But why wait to find out? I understand that financial things happen that eat up your funds for the horses, but then (again) you shouldn't be forcing her to perform on the barrel pattern when you have not taken her to get checked by a good lameness vet. The same way if you can't ride effectively because of an injury, she shouldn't have to take the brunt of it because you're still healing.
It think there are some things you need to do here:
1) Ride only on straight lines until you can get YOUR body healed and back in riding shape.
2) Once your body is well and money allows, get your horse to the vet.
3) If there are no soreness issues, stay away from the barrels. Teach her to use her body effectively.
4) THEN...... many moons later ..... try the barrels again. (Keeping in mind that you've already created some bad habits on her pattern that will take time, and consistency to fix.) |
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 Too Skinny
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help. |
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| cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 11:25 AM Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help.
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Location: NC | cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 12:25 PM
Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help.
And this makes you any better than her, how? Catty huzzies around here for sure.
Duke sucks this year at basketball. Those boys need to get their heads out of their rears & play like a team. Geez
Did that offend you? How about if I said Tim Tebow was a fluke?
If barrel racers want to be taken seriously as professional athletes, they should be treated as such. And that includes the good, the bad & the ugly. |
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| hlynn - 2013-12-09 11:41 AM cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 12:25 PM Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help. And this makes you any better than her, how? Catty huzzies around here for sure. Duke sucks this year at basketball. Those boys need to get their heads out of their rears & play like a team. Geez Did that offend you? How about if I said Tim Tebow was a fluke? If barrel racers want to be taken seriously as professional athletes, they should be treated as such. And that includes the good, the bad & the ugly.
You should probably go read the OP in the Loflin thread. That is what makes this post funny. She's dogging on a pro in that thread. She's certainly not acting professionally there. Honestly, I think the advice is truthful. Watch and learn, and possibly ask the pros questions, not tell them how to ride, when her riding needs work.
All people can use help and work...but to ask for assistance in one thread and then blow someone out of the water for their hard work in another is just dumb. |
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Too Skinny
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | hlynn - 2013-12-09 11:41 AM cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 12:25 PM Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help. And this makes you any better than her, how? Catty huzzies around here for sure. Duke sucks this year at basketball. Those boys need to get their heads out of their rears & play like a team. Geez Did that offend you? How about if I said Tim Tebow was a fluke? If barrel racers want to be taken seriously as professional athletes, they should be treated as such. And that includes the good, the bad & the ugly.
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| I WASN'T dogging on Loflin. I didn't mean to ask the question rudely either! I have already apologized privately and on the board. And no, this really doesn't offended me because I do know I ride like crap. Its why I am taking lessons and sent her to the trainer a month ago. I didn't mean for it to be rude, I am so sorry. |
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | Nateracer - 2013-12-09 12:58 PM
hlynn - 2013-12-09 11:41 AM cowgalsissy - 2013-12-09 12:25 PM Probably shouldn't be bashing pros. You should probably be asking them for help. And this makes you any better than her, how? Catty huzzies around here for sure. Duke sucks this year at basketball. Those boys need to get their heads out of their rears & play like a team. Geez Did that offend you? How about if I said Tim Tebow was a fluke? If barrel racers want to be taken seriously as professional athletes, they should be treated as such. And that includes the good, the bad & the ugly.
All people can use help and work...but to ask for assistance in one thread and then blow someone out of the water for their hard work in another is just dumb.Â
That's why I said 'and this makes you better than her how?'
Saying someone is a horrible person for bashing someone's riding, and then searching trough all threads for a reason to bash that person is petty, childish, and just plain crazy. Who has THAT much time to resurrect a 3 month old thread just to make a hateful comment?
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 12:19 PM
I WASN'T dogging on Loflin. I didn't mean to ask the question rudely either! I have already apologized privately and on the board. And no, this really doesn't offended me because I do know I ride like crap. Its why I am taking lessons and sent her to the trainer a month ago. I didn't mean for it to be rude, I am so sorry.
 Good luck with your horses. The pros are normally extremely willing to give advice if you are willing to listen. Never give up. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | This made me chuckle. Mainly because someone isn't allowed to apologize and actually be left alone about it. Its mind numbing sometimes. Cyber bickering is pathetic. |
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| Are there any trainers close by? If so, usually trainers offer internships. Go to any trainer......jumping, english, cutter, reiner, or roping. Learning different disciplines will help build a better barrel racing foundation. Im not made out of money either but if you offer up some free work in return of lessons it usually works out. I would provide some feedback on your video but it looks like its now private. I hope you can figure out which direction you want to go with your horse. |
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| spitzh - 2013-12-09 1:34 PM
Are there any trainers close by? If so, usually trainers offer internships. Go to any trainer......jumping, english, cutter, reiner, or roping. Learning different disciplines will help build a better barrel racing foundation. Im not made out of money either but if you offer up some free work in return of lessons it usually works out. I would provide some feedback on your video but it looks like its now private. I hope you can figure out which direction you want to go with your horse.
I dont knowbwhat happened to the video.... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbuqonCbBM. I have this one. This was after a month of training and only in a O'ring.... Ground was muddy too so she couldnt really grab....... |
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Location: Oregon | This entire thing is both horrifying and amusing. Get you some lessons, girl. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-12-09 1:45 PM
spitzh - 2013-12-09 1:34 PM
Are there any trainers close by? If so, usually trainers offer internships. Go to any trainer......jumping, english, cutter, reiner, or roping. Learning different disciplines will help build a better barrel racing foundation. Im not made out of money either but if you offer up some free work in return of lessons it usually works out. I would provide some feedback on your video but it looks like its now private. I hope you can figure out which direction you want to go with your horse.
I dont knowbwhat happened to the video.... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbuqonCbBM. I have this one. This was after a month of training and only in a O'ring.... Ground was muddy too so she couldnt really grab.......
The only thing I have to say about that video is that you really need to start getting after her when she trips! When she trips she's not really trying to pick her self up, she just about fell on her nose on that third and that's dangerous for you and her. Start using the fence and do roll backs so she'll learn to use her butt and how to move her front feet around. if she stumbles I would over-n-under her once and make her move out that way when she trips she'll try extra hard to stay up on her feet and catch her self instead of allowing herself to almost go down. Your riding looks a lot better than before! keep up the good progress. |
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