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Location: Kansas | You can't compare calf roping or saddle bronc riding to barrel racing. And you can't compare Sherry this year to Billy Etbauer in the 90s. If I had as big a lead as she did after the first couple rounds, you better believe I would be trying to keep the barrels up first & foremost and if I happened to place in another round, great. If not, hold your spot in the average and pick up the big check at the end. Plus I wouldn't think on that caliber of horse that you COULD safety up. I know on my rodeo horse if I tried to safety up and just be clean, we'd probably hit two barrels but if I go in and try to win the race every time, we can be clean probably 9 times out of 10. and heck even 9 out of 10 clean runs gets you a very healthy average check at the NFR. |
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Location: Texas | Since yellowhorse is a man, I'm going to share a little secret with you....
Your question actually addresses the fundamental difference between men and women as competitors. Women think, strategize, and have a game plan. Men rely on their brute strength and speed to get the job done.
Just because a woman doesn't feel the need to win in a "look at me" fashion, doesn't inhibit her ability to get the job done.
This mindset is a key reason that women's professional sports aren't as exciting to watch. Watching women is like watching a chess game. It's a game of skill and brains. Watching men is like boxing. Although it can be exciting, it's more about their brute strength and reflex, with no thinking involved. |
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| aggiejudger - 2013-12-16 8:22 AM
Since yellowhorse is a man, I'm going to share a little secret with you....
Your question actually addresses the fundamental difference between men and women as competitors. Women think, strategize, and have a game plan. Men rely on their brute strength and speed to get the job done.
Just because a woman doesn't feel the need to win in a "look at me" fashion, doesn't inhibit her ability to get the job done.
This mindset is a key reason that women's professional sports aren't as exciting to watch. Watching women is like watching a chess game. It's a game of skill and brains. Watching men is like boxing. Although it can be exciting, it's more about their brute strength and reflex, with no thinking involved.
Yes, I think there is probably alot of truth in your assumptions. |
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Location: North Dakota | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:34 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-15 6:24 AM I think she did exactly what she should of done. I think she did the smart thing. Why risk losing the World Championship and all that average money because of how others "think" you should ride? She has won another World Championship and from a records-book standpoint and from a business standpoint she did what, in the long-run, was the best thing. To go in and ride with hair-on-fire risking the big picture to win a go-round wouldn't make a lot of sense....she didn't need to do that....cool, calm and collected worked out much better. JMO
Edited to add: she did go for "first" place, #1 in the World, it don't get much more FIRST PLACE than that! And I thought everyone of her runs was exciting, just the anticipation of if she was going to be able to leave them all standing when so many were hitting barrels was very exciting and she showed that she's a smart/savvy woman...why would she try to be like the men? Lol maybe it is a "man" thing?
So why is it okay for an NFL team who is winning, on 1st down, with 50 seconds on the clock, to let the play clock run down and take a knee. Then let the play clock run some more, and take a knee.
Since we're seeming to generalize "men", because of the NFL and other "man" sporting events like that, it makes absolute perfect sense what Sherry is doing. She's playing smart so she doesn't cause a turnover and let the other team make a touchdown.
I have no problem with what she's doing. There's nothing wrong with strategy.
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Location: Arkansas | I haven't read every response so this may or may not have been said already. But,
Ty and Billy were in JUDGED events, and on a different caliber animal every night. Cody has to draw a calf and obviously you never know what you are going to get. Sherry has three barrels in the same place with a timer in the same place on the same horse every night for 10 rounds. It is an entire different mental game. The variables are different thus so are the game plans. |
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| r_beau - 2013-12-16 8:48 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:34 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-15 6:24 AM I think she did exactly what she should of done. I think she did the smart thing. Why risk losing the World Championship and all that average money because of how others "think" you should ride? She has won another World Championship and from a records-book standpoint and from a business standpoint she did what, in the long-run, was the best thing. To go in and ride with hair-on-fire risking the big picture to win a go-round wouldn't make a lot of sense....she didn't need to do that....cool, calm and collected worked out much better. JMO
Edited to add: she did go for "first" place, #1 in the World, it don't get much more FIRST PLACE than that! And I thought everyone of her runs was exciting, just the anticipation of if she was going to be able to leave them all standing when so many were hitting barrels was very exciting and she showed that she's a smart/savvy woman...why would she try to be like the men? Lol maybe it is a "man" thing?
Since we're seeming to generalize "men", because of the NFL and other "man" sporting events like that, it makes absolute perfect sense what Sherry is doing. She's playing smart so she doesn't cause a turnover and let the other team make a touchdown.
I have no problem with what she's doing. There's nothing wrong with strategy.
If you go back thru the thread you will see that part of the reason for bringing this up had to do with the "cowboy" attitude. And how other stars of rodeo have approached competeing at the finals.
Who cares what they do in the NFL.... |
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Duct Tape Bikini Girl
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| First of all, all I have read is the original post. The original post is all I am replying to. In the post, the word "conservative" was used to describe Sheri's runs following the first two winning rounds. The meaning of conservative is moderate, cautious, and not extreme. So let me ask, how many of her runs were 13 second runs? Her last run was a 14 second run, a very fast 14. If you watch that run you will see she pushed harder from further back, and pushed hard the entire run to keep from hitting barrels. Therefore, her time was slower because she pushed harder. Pushing harder does not define conservative. I cannot imagine using moderate, cautious, or not extreme to describe any of her ten runs.  |
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Nut Case Expert
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Riding balls to the wall whipping and slashing is not the always the best way and is certainly not the only way to be an aggressive jockey. Sometimes you have to slow down the mind and the body and convey that steadiness to your horse to get that smooth and consistent forward motion that brings you to the pay window. Sherri is a master of the technique IMHO. |
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 Purveyor of unconventional wisdom
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Location: CA | T turning 3 - 2013-12-15 10:36 AM Barrel racing is her lively hood, that said she rode smart. Sherry makes it look easy, and it appears to me her whole job while she is out there is just to help her horse. Barrel racing is also the only rodeo event that doesn't include stock. That said, your comment about other eventers giving 100% is true, they never know what they will draw up with and what others will draw up with. They have some pretty big unknowns and have to give it all. When you have a chance to use strategy it would be only a fool that wouldn't do it. She rides "soft" and I don't belelive you would be able to tell if she was going easy or not. Horses change after a few rounds, some get faster, some get sore, some get consistant. So no it doesn't bother me at all. A champion is a champion. To have one with grace can do nothing but improve the sport.
Yes I am quoting myself... lol There is no stock involved in barrel racing except your horse. Playing the odds in this event is much different than in the other events.
Here is your cookie..... lol |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeowithjoker - 2013-12-15 10:41 PM You can't compare calf roping or saddle bronc riding to barrel racing. And you can't compare Sherry this year to Billy Etbauer in the 90s. If I had as big a lead as she did after the first couple rounds, you better believe I would be trying to keep the barrels up first & foremost and if I happened to place in another round, great. If not, hold your spot in the average and pick up the big check at the end. Plus I wouldn't think on that caliber of horse that you COULD safety up. I know on my rodeo horse if I tried to safety up and just be clean, we'd probably hit two barrels but if I go in and try to win the race every time, we can be clean probably 9 times out of 10. and heck even 9 out of 10 clean runs gets you a very healthy average check at the NFR.
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| First, I don't think Sherry rode safe, she rode to win a check in every round.
Second, I think it is a much tougher position mentally to come in the #1 spot and not lose that position. It is easeir to have nothing to lose and go for it.
Third, in reference to it being a "man thing" did you listen to how many times Joe Beaver talked about making a "business run" in the tie down and team roping? He said over and over again that "it was too early in the rounds to make that kind of throw, "they just need to be smart and catch", etc.
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 The Non Sky Diver
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Location: SE Louisiana | I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..  |
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Location: SW MO | I think she played it very smart, if she had it won why take a chance on injuring your horse for reason. Running 10 days straight takes it toll on a horse, even with out pushing it |
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| Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..
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 How freakish is that?
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Location: Oregon | rodeomom3 - 2013-12-16 9:37 AM First, I don't think Sherry rode safe, she rode to win a check in every round.
Second, I think it is a much tougher position mentally to come in the #1 spot and not lose that position. It is easeir to have nothing to lose and go for it.
Third, in reference to it being a "man thing" did you listen to how many times Joe Beaver talked about making a "business run" in the tie down and team roping? He said over and over again that "it was too early in the rounds to make that kind of throw, "they just need to be smart and catch", etc.
Maybe he meant "stupid man thing".
Anyone - male or female - that rodeos understands the average and when to safety up. |
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| I only read the first page so if this has been said I'm sorrythe only round I thought she was a little bit off was the 10th. I know she is a pro.....However she was emotional and greatly moved by her win. Maybe she played it a little safer from being nervous, emotional, and as proud as she is of stingray wanted to maintain the average for the 10 rds record. She is my favorite!!!! I find it so cool how much credit and appreciation she gives for her horse. Could you imagine the disappointment if she had hit a barrel????? |
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Location: Midwest | see even in round 10 she came in fast and blew that first barrel... after that, she knew she wasn't going to win the round. She rode smart and kept them up.
Because she came in so fast, i don't think she tried to safety up. I just think she rode the rest of her pattern smart when the first barrel got wide. |
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Location: In the real world | When an athlete is really good, the perception is that it looked easy. Sherry's times show that she was working it. You don't get those good times by not trying, and trying hard. Some people think whooping and kicking is trying hard. Sometimes the hardest thing is to keep with the game plan is ride well and centered. You do your job and the horse does theirs. That's why it's called a team.
I remember when I "tried hard" Whooping and kicking and my times got slower. Then, I saw that wife carrying contest that happens every year. Who do you think would go faster? The husband with the wife jumping up and down on his back? Or, the husband who's wife is working with him, staying balanced and letting him keep moving forward. I stopped the yeehaw antics after I saw that, and my times got faster again. Lesson learned. |
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Location: southeast Texas | I wonder what it would be like, if one year, the rough stock riders, drew ONE animal and had to compete each and every night on that ONE horse/bull. How spectacular would there riding be then?
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| Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM
I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..
I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night!
I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. |
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