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Location: Deep South | justcruzin - 2013-12-16 9:15 AM BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-16 7:04 AM This article answers some of ya'lls questions. Apparently the LVE is a non-profit organization, they are there to generate revenue for the city and the NFR generates a LOT. http://twistedrodeo.com/2013/12/16/las-vegas-could-lose-a-great-thi... Some of you are saying that you can't believe it's being moved to somewhere as NON-centrally located as FL (like Nevada is centrally located? ). Well this board is predominantly people west of the MS river. There are a LOT of rodeo fans on the east of the MS who are thrilled about the possibility of it moving. My FB newsfeed is blown up with people talking about it. Another thing, "The only thing Orlando has to offer is Disney" ???? That's like saying all Vegas has to offer is casinos. It's a stereotype. Vegas is very welcoming to the rodeo community and offers all those after shows that people love, and I'm sure that FL would too. FL has a nightlife with the clubs, but it also has a ton of family oriented things that Vegas is lacking. Some of you say you probably won't go if it moves, well they'll probably be drawing a new crowd anyway. Families that wouldn't take their little britches age kids before will now.
My FB is also blowing up on what a bad idea this is.
Anyone who knows me would tell you I'm the number one believer in that statement! 
I was thinking more along the lines of 6 and up or so..? I know we went one year and my cousin was only about 8 or 9 at the time, there just wasn't anything for her to do. She wasn't old enough to get in to any of the shows definitely no clubs or bars, they were strict about her not being anywhere near the slot machines. I think we finally found a 3D movie to take her to and she enjoyed that, but she can see those at home. Besides the rodeo and a little bit of shopping and eating out, that's all she did. | |
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| I sure hope you guys are joking about the live stock and horses dying. I live here my horses have winter coats just as thick as northern horses and ya they have never died. Do you guys really think we don't rodeo here at all? We are running barrels and steers in the summer and its fine. I don't care where the NFR gets moved to I will fly where ever it is :) | |
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Location: North Central South Dakota, west of the Might Mo | I am personally happy that contestants could see an increase in prize money. I am not sure Orlando is the venue I would select. I am sure the Seminole tribe is somehow figuring in the dealings of this. There is plenty of gambling, adult activities within a stones throw of Orlando.
This is my take on Vegas however...I went to 10+ days of NFR for four years helping my roommates family who are stock contractors. That has been over 15 years ago, and I really still don't have much desire to go to Vegas. I am not a big time shopper, and can only stomach so much gambling. And my old body can only take so much partying and staying up all night! We are a rodeo FAMILY. Even as our daughter gets older, there is not a darn thing for them to do in Vegas...it would be easier to take her now because she's 2 coming 3. As kids get older, my observation is it is even worse because they are drawn to the bright lights, but can't play, etc. I know people say you should leave their kids home. We are a ranching family, and we have always attended rodeos as a family. If we leave our daughter home, we add work to another member of our ranching family.
A good friend of mine qualified for the NFR this year. She has two younger boys. Her sons didn't come to Vegas until about the last weekend. I am sure it is partially for the reasons mentioned above. Maybe they wouldn't come until the last weekend in a more family friendly venue either. I have not asked her.
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Location: Midwest | Bibliafarm - 2013-12-16 9:36 AM alot say they wont go to florida but havent gone to vegas either..But agree... the cost wILL be more.. I dont know how much hotels are there but roughly 80-120 for a hotel per night 20 minutes from disney and on kingdom area could run 250 and Up a night.estimates
I've been to FL. I was a kid, and I had fun.
I just don't enjoy hoardes of screaming children, and I'm guessing there would be more of those in FL than in Vegas. Plus, I'd like to go to Vegas anyway (during the NFR or otherwise), whereas I have no desire to visit the orlando area. | |
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| Ok wait with all the banter back and forth I'm lost. Is it moving to FL? Or is it NOT? | |
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Location: Deep South | Bibliafarm - 2013-12-16 9:13 AM BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-16 10:04 AM This article answers some of ya'lls questions. Apparently the LVE is a non-profit organization, they are there to generate revenue for the city and the NFR generates a LOT. http://twistedrodeo.com/2013/12/16/las-vegas-could-lose-a-great-thi... Some of you are saying that you can't believe it's being moved to somewhere as NON-centrally located as FL (like Nevada is centrally located? ). Well this board is predominantly people west of the MS river. There are a LOT of rodeo fans on the east of the MS who are thrilled about the possibility of it moving. My FB newsfeed is blown up with people talking about it. Another thing, "The only thing Orlando has to offer is Disney" ???? That's like saying all Vegas has to offer is casinos. It's a stereotype. Vegas is very welcoming to the rodeo community and offers all those after shows that people love, and I'm sure that FL would too. FL has a nightlife with the clubs, but it also has a ton of family oriented things that Vegas is lacking. Some of you say you probably won't go if it moves, well they'll probably be drawing a new crowd anyway. Families that wouldn't take their little britches age kids before will now.
I was concerned about this also, but there's plenty of pros that come to the FL pro rodeos during the regular season. This is copied from the wpra website results page. The weren't worried about the climate then.KISSIMMEE, FL 10/5/2013 - Champions Challenge
1. MARY WALKER16.87 $4,000.00
2. FALLON TAYLOR 16.92 $3,000.00
3. SAMMI BESSERT 16.99 $2,000.00
4. BRITTANY POZZI 17.05 $1,000.00 | |
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Location: Florida.. | barrelracer1413 - 2013-12-16 10:44 AM I sure hope you guys are joking about the live stock and horses dying. I live here my horses have winter coats just as thick as northern horses and ya they have never died. Do you guys really think we don't rodeo here at all? We are running barrels and steers in the summer and its fine. I don't care where the NFR gets moved to I will fly where ever it is :) i didnt mean literally!!LOL it will be a issue for northerners..10 degrees is alot differant then 80.. I didnt mean literally. tongue in cheek.yes I realize pros come.. dont forget the other competitors.. good grief
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Location: Texas | At the current ticket prices, I could not imagine buying one for a child that is not big enough to enjoy the rodeo. Just because it would be in a more family friendly location does not mean that kids are going to invade the rodeo perfs. | |
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Location: Texas | At the current ticket prices, I could not imagine buying one for a child that is not big enough to enjoy the rodeo. Just because it would be in a more family friendly location does not mean that kids are going to invade the rodeo perfs. | |
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Location: East Texas | I have been to the NFR in Vegas, and I would go if it were in FL. | |
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| Lol ok good.. I'm not sure if Florida is the best choice but Vegas gets old there's only so much to do before your bored until night comes to watch the rodeo. Unless you have a unlimited amount of money then you can just shop all day | |
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| yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 8:33 AM TXBO - 2013-12-16 8:28 AM I'd be very surprised if Vegas doesn't have a very attractive counter offer. I don't kno......I thought that to. But go on the Internet and read about it. This thing has already progressed farther than what I would have thought. Honestly. It sounds like to me it's just formality of "signing the papers" now unless Las Vegas does something pretty quick. But your talking about a pretty big disparity in dollars. So I'm not sure they will pony it up.
LVE is a puppet. There are some shrewd business men pulling the strings. I would say expect the negotiations to last the full 90 days but I don't know how shrewd the PRCA negotiators are.
When I left Vegas in 2002, we had estimated the nongaming economic impact of the NFR around $75 Million. $4 million is a drop in the bucket. | |
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Location: Midwest | Bibliafarm - 2013-12-16 9:51 AM barrelracer1413 - 2013-12-16 10:44 AM I sure hope you guys are joking about the live stock and horses dying. I live here my horses have winter coats just as thick as northern horses and ya they have never died. Do you guys really think we don't rodeo here at all? We are running barrels and steers in the summer and its fine. I don't care where the NFR gets moved to I will fly where ever it is :) i didnt mean literally!!LOL it will be a issue for northerners..10 degrees is alot differant then 80.. I didnt mean literally. tongue in cheek.yes I realize pros come.. dont forget the other competitors.. good grief
Exactly... it was in the teens all week in the midwest... FL was in the 80s
It is very dry here right now, and FL is very humid.
I know when I haul in to a heated barn during the winter (where it is like 50 inside, 30 or less outside), my horse is feeling less than great that first night adapting to the change in temps. I could imagine the livestock having some issues. Of course many would haul in early so the horses could acclimate, but it's a big difference this time of year.
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Location: Where I am happiest | This explains it more.
Another WNFR article:
National Rodeo Finals and a new 24,000-seat arena could be coming to Kissimmee/Osceola County
Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Osceola News-Gazette photo/Andrew Sullivan
Osceola County commissioners met Sunday, Dec. 15 in a special session to discuss a proposal to bring the PRCA rodeo finals and other ancillary events to Osceola for at least the next 10 years. Above, commission chairman Fred Hawkins Jr. signs into effect a 90-day proposal to finalize the agreement between the county and the PRCA.
By Peter Covino
Arts & Entertainment Editor
In an historic Sunday meeting of the Osceola County Commission, commissioners agreed today to begin the process that would bring the National Finals Rodeo, as well as build a new 24,000-seat arena, to Osceola County.
Commissioners voted 5-0 at the special meeting and signed a “memorandum of understanding” between the county, the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association and American Music Resort, to set into a motion a possible agreement to bring the rodeo finals to Kissimmee for a minimum of 10 years.
The rodeo is one of the biggest annual events in Las Vegas and sells out every year, said Osceola County Manager Don Fisher, bringing in $65 million in revenue to that city each year.
The rodeo could be part of a larger agreement with American Music Resort Properties. AMR has proposed the development of a $1.5 billion AMR project that will include hotels, retail space, conference centers, restaurants and multiple performance venues.
AMR has leased a 30-acre site for the project.
That part of the proposal was not discussed at the Sunday meeting by the commission.
Under the proposed agreement the county will guarantee to provide a 24,000-seat enclosed arena ready for occupancy no later than October 15, 2016. During the time the Osceola County facility is under construction, the 2015 rodeo finals would be held at the Amway Center in Orlando.
The agreement would have a nominal term of 20 years, with either the county or the PRCA able to leave the agreement after 10. Both sides will have 90 days to finalize the agreement.
The county will guarantee it will provide $16 million annually to the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association (PRCA) for purse money and administrative costs. The county will receive ticket and concession revenue only to the point that it recoups the guaranty. Excess revenue would be split between the PRCA and American Music Resort.
The new arena would be built near the Gaylord Palms Resort and Convention Center, Fisher said.
Funding would come from the county’s resort motel/hotel bed tax.
In addition to the rodeo, the PRCA also would hold several additional events in the county, including Cowboy Christmas, Cowboy FanFest and the Miss Rodeo America Pageant.
The PRCA announced the proposal simultaneously at their own meeting today as well.
The commission was unanimous in its praise for the proposal, which could have significant impact on the area’s economy and would be a major shot in the arm to the county’s rodeo and cowboy heritage.
“This is an historic proposal” for Osceola County, County Commission Chairman Fred Hawkins Jr. said. “I’m pro-rodeo and a Silver Spurs member,” and (PRCA) is a tremendous organization.”
Commissioner Frank Attkisson said it is a win situation for the PRCA as well.
“We have 90 million visitors a year,” to Central Florida, and rodeo visitors will have so many more opportunities here with theme parks such as Disney World, he said. “You can’t do that in Vegas.”
Hawkins called it a perfect fit for the rodeo and the county with its rich cattle ranching history.
“It’s the World Series and the Super Bowl,” Attkisson said.
“It will put Osceola County on the map as a tourist destination,” County Commissioner Mike Harford said.
Area tourism officials shared that enthusiasm.
“It’s a game changer for us,” said Mark Miller, chairman of the W. U.S. 192 Redevelopment Authority. “I couldn’t be happier.” It will mean many business opportunities for development in the west end of the county.
“Wow,” said Kriss Titus, executive director of the Kissimmee Tourism Education Association. “The tourism industry will be thrilled about this. It is the best thing for tourism ever.”
County commissioners appeared to be on a fast track to get the ball rolling on the project.
Attkisson proposed getting PRCA officials here in January to go over details and maybe finalizing a deal 30 days after that. Ideally, the commission could make the official announcement at the annual Silver Spurs Rodeo in February.
Other financial details in the proposal include:
Upon completion, the county will acquire the arena building for a purchase price of $50 million. The purchase price will consist $34 million of currently available tourism development taxes, $8 million of tourism development taxes to be appropriated in 2014-15 and $8 million of tourist development taxes for 2015-16.
The National Finals Rodeo is held over a 15-day period usually in December or late November with a minimum average general seating ticket cost of $71.
Under the proposal, Osceola Heritage Park will be made available to the PCRA for staging and peripheral events and the county also would designate each December as National Finals Rodeo Month and also hold a rodeo day parade.
The County Manager thanked both the city of Orlando and the Orlando Magic for their help in getting the proposal this far. The Magic have agreed to submit a blackout request for games to the NBA to bring the rodeo finals to Orlando at the Amway Center for the first year of the agreement (while the new arena is under construction | |
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yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 8:33 AM TXBO - 2013-12-16 8:28 AM I'd be very surprised if Vegas doesn't have a very attractive counter offer. I don't kno......I thought that to. But go on the Internet and read about it. This thing has already progressed farther than what I would have thought. Honestly. It sounds like to me it's just formality of "signing the papers" now unless Las Vegas does something pretty quick. But your talking about a pretty big disparity in dollars. So I'm not sure they will pony it up.
When I left Vegas in 2002, we had estimated the nongaming economic impact of the NFR around $75 Million. $4 million is a drop in the bucket.
I just read that last year they estimated it to be 90 million.
I agree it is a drop in the bucket, but how much leeway do they have as far as adding money? And I read another deal that said Orlando is wanting to have it sewed by feb so they can make a big announcement at their silver spurs rodeo. It said they took a vote on a live video feed in front of the prca yesterday and all seven of their commissioners voted to move forward on this. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | The number of people who take their kids to the NFR is miniscule compared to those that dont. There is something to be said for Vegas offering an adult recess!Alot of people DONT want to take their kids and it is really difficult to Christmas shop with your kids in tow.
Also, yes more money would be great, BUT, Really now, Florida is like the edge of the earth. Can you imagine the haul there? Yes, Vegas is much more centrally located then Florida. ALOT easier haul for 90% of the contestants AND stock contractors then Florida. | |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | The PRCA has gotten greedy. I'm not sure how much money they think they deserve. The PRCA thinks they should get some of the money from the trade shows, the after rodeo parties, etc. too.
Yes, Las Vegas profits from the Finals. Reports of how much money is generated is astonomical. However, consider the costs of building, running and maintaining a casino.
I am all for the cowboys and cowgirls, but just how much money do you really think you deserve for one round? $18K is a lot of money. Sherry won more in 10 days than most people make in a year, working a 40 hour week. I'm not saying she didn't deserve or earn it, but put it into perspective. This money is being GIVEN by LVE.
Year after year after year, through the recession, LVE has always come through. If the PRCA moves the Finals, I sure hope where ever they move it can prove this kind of money will always be there.
If what I was told is true, the PRCA's greed is why the Colorado Springs rodeo is now invitational. | |
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Location: My Own Little World | Ok, here's my take, it says that this will benefit the PRCA members by the bigger prize money. Well, I'm all for that BUT the article says that the $16 million will go to prize money AND PRCA administrative costs. So, the way I read that, it doesn't really say the boost in money will really reach the contestants pockets. Also, just how will Kissimmee FL have the local infrastructure to support the influx of people? Restaurants, gas stations, hotels, taxis, proximity to a major airport? And even though I have kids of my own, NFR is not a place I would really want to be taking my little ones. It's an older persons event. My teens enjoy going. Even if it were in Kissimmee, what would you do with your little ones? While the NFR is here in Vegas there's SO much going on; NASCAR Fan Week, Country Music Awards, WSTR,Bad Habits Ropng, Hork Dog Roping, 7 large shopping Venues, performance horse auctions, AND all the free entertainment you could want. If you have an under 21 set, there really is plenty to do as well. I think FL is a ggreat cowboy state but the PRCA had better do the LARGEST marketing campaign EVER to get a new spectator base. (I also think moving televised coverage to CBSsports is a shaky move) JMO | |
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| yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 10:12 AM TXBO - 2013-12-16 10:05 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 8:33 AM TXBO - 2013-12-16 8:28 AM I'd be very surprised if Vegas doesn't have a very attractive counter offer. I don't kno......I thought that to. But go on the Internet and read about it. This thing has already progressed farther than what I would have thought. Honestly. It sounds like to me it's just formality of "signing the papers" now unless Las Vegas does something pretty quick. But your talking about a pretty big disparity in dollars. So I'm not sure they will pony it up.
When I left Vegas in 2002, we had estimated the nongaming economic impact of the NFR around $75 Million. $4 million is a drop in the bucket. I just read that last year they estimated it to be 90 million. I agree it is a drop in the bucket, but how much leeway do they have as far as adding money? And I read another deal that said Orlando is wanting to have it sewed by feb so they can make a big announcement at their silver spurs rodeo. It said they took a vote on a live video feed in front of the prca yesterday and all seven of their commissioners voted to move forward on this.
They have all the leeway in the world. Again the nongaming impact is also a drop in the bucket to the real impact. Average gaming revenue per day for the "big 23" on the strip is about $500,000. | |
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2013-12-16 10:24 AM The PRCA has gotten greedy. I'm not sure how much money they think they deserve. The PRCA thinks they should get some of the money from the trade shows, the after rodeo parties, etc. too.
Yes, Las Vegas profits from the Finals. Reports of how much money is generated is astonomical. However, consider the costs of building, running and maintaining a casino.
I am all for the cowboys and cowgirls, but just how much money do you really think you deserve for one round? $18K is a lot of money. Sherry won more in 10 days than most people make in a year, working a 40 hour week. I'm not saying she didn't deserve or earn it, but put it into perspective. This money is being GIVEN by LVE.
Year after year after year, through the recession, LVE has always come through. If the PRCA moves the Finals, I sure hope where ever they move it can prove this kind of money will always be there.
If what I was told is true, the PRCA's greed is why the Colorado Springs rodeo is now invitational.
So you don't think LVE is driven by greed? | |
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