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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Karen,
I agree about pre-existing conditons and limits but all of that could have been taken care of instead of throwing our whole healthcare system upside down. This new system is hurting more people then helping.
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Location: Colorado | Nevertooold - 2013-12-28 11:26 PM Karen,
I agree about pre-existing conditons and limits but all of that could have been taken care of instead of throwing our whole healthcare system upside down. This new system is hurting more people then helping.
Now see both sides can agree on things!
Where was the legislation to fix those two simple things? From either side? From how many previous administrations?
karen
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-28 11:24 PM
HotbearLVR - 2013-12-28 7:47 AM smiley - 2013-12-27 7:40 PM
I didn't read all the replies because I am actually sick at the moment. I called first thing this morning - 6:05 am and was promptly cut off after waiting 11 minutes to get to an appt. setter. Called back, waited another 10 minutes to be told there were no appts., at the military base that I'm assigned to. Asked to get a referral to Urgent care, was told I would HAVE to have a nurse telecon in order for them to decide if *I* needed to go.
I was told they have up to 72 hours to respond to my request for a telecon. Haven't slept for two days, coughed so hard I puked four times between yesterday and today. Once, while drive the pick up truck, thanfkully no one was behind me to take off my driver door.
I go to urgent care, thinking this must be a joke, nope, I can pay $100 for the visit - cash - or I can get a referral. Called the telecon people back, by now it's 2:45 pm and said "I REALLY need to see a doctor" and that I PAY for my coverage and that I should not have to go sit at Fort Carson ER for HOURS getting sick with something else when I pay for coverage and they are the ones with no appts.
Finally, she says she will have someone call me back, I said "no, I'll wait on the phone" and she actually came back and had someone talk to me who finally said I could have a referral. I actually cried. It should NOT have to be this way to get to a doctor. You think that govt., run healthcare is going to work - look at the VA, look at this example, which has gotten steadily worse and worse the longer we've had to deal with the local military providers.
A steroid inhaler and some antibiotics later and I'm hoping to sleep tonight and not cough until I puke.
NOT looking for sympathy, I"m just giving you an example of what YOUR money is going to be payinig for. I wish us all luck.
Almost forgot the best part, when I called back at 2:45 the referral for a telecon was not even IN the system............... I hope everyone gets a chance to read this, because this is a good example of healthcare of the future. Like it or not, there will be rationing and waiting in line. The root problem in all of this is healthcare costs that are unaffordable and we are searching for some magic bullet...some magic insurance plan that will cover expenses but not cost too much. Well, I have news....there is NO such thing. The only way to make healthcare affordable is to charge citizens with the responsibility in some fashion. The role of government would be to eliminate barriers to competition across state lines, enact some kind of torte reform, etc... HSAs and Catastrophic coverage is really a good way of getting runaway costs under control. The Obamunists like Karen try to emphasize that ObamaCare is not government healthcare. They are lying through their teeth, because ObamaCare is just a stage.....a first step toward their socialist utopian state. This is not a new concept. Obama himself has been captured on video talking about his goals for a single payor......and yet Karen and her ilk try telling us this is not government healthcare. Go back and read dhdqhllq's posts.....he's right on the money. Whenever a liberal progressive pulls the "WWJD" out of their bag of tricks I know they are in trouble. They love using the "WWJD" expression selectively. You never see a liberal progressive use that expression when they are arguing in favor of infanticide.
Because I will not bow to your constant name calling and bullying you love to call me out. Hope it makes you feel important and superior. I think it makes you look small and sad.
karen
Nice try. I didn't call out your belief in God. I pointed out how liberals such as yourself selectively use the "WWJD" cliche'. You need to go back and read what I wrote. Stop distorting what I said. It makes YOU look small and sad.
I don't feel "important and superior". I blame people like you for electing a tyrant whose goal it is to "transform" this nation into a socialist utopia. Obama lied when he said "If you like your plan you can keep your plan....period." He said these things because if he would have told the truth, he wouldn't have been elected. He twisted arms and carried out back room deals in order to get ObamaCare passed by the thinnest of margins. I will hold you and your progressive cohorts responsible for the damage ObamaCare does to this country. All of the people who have posted on this thread about how ObamaCare has caused nothing but misery and hardship for them and their families have you and your fellow Obamunists to blame. | |
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| Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-29 12:38 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-28 11:26 PM Karen,
I agree about pre-existing conditons and limits but all of that could have been taken care of instead of throwing our whole healthcare system upside down. This new system is hurting more people then helping.
Now see both sides can agree on things!
Where was the legislation to fix those two simple things? From either side? From how many previous administrations?
karen
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Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-29 12:38 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-28 11:26 PM Karen,
I agree about pre-existing conditons and limits but all of that could have been taken care of instead of throwing our whole healthcare system upside down. This new system is hurting more people then helping.
Now see both sides can agree on things!
Where was the legislation to fix those two simple things? From either side? From how many previous administrations?
karen
Republicans were trying to negotiate/compromise on the ACA, had said they agree to eliminating the cap on benefits, doing away with pre existing conditions but wanted some concessions from the other side of the isle which the answer to that was a big fat NO. Obama repeatedly said he would not compromise. Health care reform should have been approached in steps as evidenced by the ACA roll out and the inability of our government to manage a program of this size.
Agree, rodeomomm3. The conservatives, Republicans, have come up with other solutions/plans, etc. but the press is solidly in the Democratic camp so never get publicized. | |
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Location: GA | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-29 1:38 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-28 11:26 PM Karen,
I agree about pre-existing conditons and limits but all of that could have been taken care of instead of throwing our whole healthcare system upside down. This new system is hurting more people then helping.
Now see both sides can agree on things!
Where was the legislation to fix those two simple things? From either side? From how many previous administrations?
karen
Karen here you go. This is a summary of what Rep. Tom Price a doctor from GA introduced in 2009. The full bill is available to the public and can be read within a reasonable length of time as it is only 248 pages long. His thoughts on Obama's health care bill are as follows as well. It was not given any consideration at all by the democrats and Obama. Even today when republicans have continued to offer solutions on the same lines Obama refuses to entertain them even though he tells the public differently. What we also do not hear is the republicans idea regarding seniors and Medicare to pay cancer hospitals more if they are incurring higher costs. Through Obamacare due to cuts to Medicare that was to target waste and fraud will instead in fact ration care or target the quality of care to seniors. Think that one through and you will get the drift. The republicans bill is not perfection but it was a start as well and they encouraged discussion from the otherside that never evolved. Instead Obamacare was rammed through.
“President Obama’s health care law violates every principle of health care that Americans hold dear: accessibility, affordability, choices, innovation, quality and responsiveness,” Rep. Price said. “The law threatens the doctor-patient relationship. It empowers Washington bureaucrats at the expense of quality health care choices, and quite simply, the federal government should not be interfering with the most personal decisions in the lives of the American people.”
A Patient-Centered Solution
RSC Chairman Tom Price has introduced H.R. 3400, the Empowering Patients First Act. This is another positive solution from the Republican Study Committee that grants access to affordable, quality health care for all Americans, and is centered around the patient. By increasing patients’ control over their health decisions, we will make coverage more affordable, accessible and responsive, while offering more choices and the highest-quality care.
This solution is centered around four main principles:
#1: Access to Coverage for All Americans - The Empowering Patients First Act makes the purchase of health care financially feasible for all Americans, covers pre-existing conditions, protects employer-sponsored insurance, and shines light on existing health care plans.
#2: Coverage is Truly Owned by the Patient - This legislation grants greater choice and portability to the patient, and also gives employers more flexibility in the benefits offered. It also expands the individual market by creating several pooling mechanisms.
#3: Improve the Health Care Delivery Structure - Physicians know the best care for their patient. That's why this legislation establishes doctor-led quality measures, ensuring that you get the quality care you need. It also reimburses physicians to ensure the stability of your care, and encourages healthier lifestyles by allowing employers to offer discounts for healthy habits through wellness and prevention programs.
#4: Rein in Out-of-Control Costs - A key concern in positive reform is reining in out-of control costs. This legislation does this by reforming the medical liability system. Also, the cost of the plan is completely offset through decreasing defensive medicine, savings from health care efficiencies, sifting out waste, fraud and abuse, plus an annual one-percent non defense discretionary spending step down.
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Location: ND | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-28 11:13 PM Bibliafarm - 2013-12-27 5:05 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-27 8:34 AM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-26 11:38 PM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-26 11:17 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-26 8:41 PM And what do we hear from the Obama voters on here?
Crickets. Colorado has a great website up and running. With phone service as well as stations at many areas around the state.
The website allows you to shop several differant COMPANIES and plans. Why is it so hard to understand this is insurance through private companies and not govt. insurance?
In my age group there were 13 plans through 5 differant companies. I called to check on Doctors in my network, prescription coverage, etc..
End of the day.......... Less than $375.00 per month, MAX out of pocket $6350.00 (co pay and deductable) a year. No I did not get financial assistance.
I signed up some weeks ago for coverage starting Jan 1, 2014. With the research and phone call to verify information I probably spent less than 1.5 hours total.
Colorado has Catastrophic coverage for 30 and under for less than $80.00 a month. Adults can add dental and vision through some of the PRIVATE insurance companies.
Sadly a lot of states just flat didn't try to make this a good thing for their citizens. I am also really sad that some of you are being sold insanely expensive plans. But for many this is the opportunity to have actual health insurance that has not been available. For all intense purposes my old insurance was cancelled after my mitral valve surg. (Raised monthly until it was not affordable. Over $2000.00 a mth with a small cap and limited coverage) That surg. cost me out of pocket close to $70,000. The hospital bill was well above 1/2 MIL. I did pick my Doctor and his fee was less than $2500.00. (Just for you Doc as you continue to tell us all we should Shop around)
I have never said the Affordable Health Care Act is perfect. And the funny part is it was orig. written by a conservative think tank and patterned after Romney Care.
BTW, EVERYONE of my Docs (and I have several currently) are happy to see people having access to health insurance. And like it or not that was not the case before the AHCA became law. Not a single medical person I have dealt with is leaving the field.
Now I am sure that some of you will jump me about this and that is okay. At the end of the day I am day 2 from my last round of Chemo and may have better things to do than make sure your posts are answered on YOUR timeline. If you actually want to have a polite discussion I am all for it. If you want to call names and allegations than have at it with out me.
So there are your Crickets!
karen
You seem to have a rather short memory. I have more than once discussed the broken system in Washington. But I tend to actually get involved in my community and state. I respect those who stand up and work to fix the system, not just spout off on a forum. No matter which side of the isle they are on.
If you had actually read my post you would see that I am not happy with the insanely high policies some are being sold. But again that could have been differant if more of the states had actually worked to set up an exchange like CO and others did. You would also have read that I was basically held hostage by my previous insurance company. Pay an insane premium for basically zip.
As long as we claim to be a Christian nation we had better learn to walk the walk.
I have seen two patients DENIED chemo because of their insurance company. Tell me what is right about that. At $18,000 a treatment that leaves those patients few choices. I have a good friend who had her pelvis shattered last year. Her Insurance company denied her PT and she was dismissed from the hospital with literally NO place to go due to the injuries. This happened with less than 24 hours notice. How about the child in my community that needs a transplant but has to wait to be put on the list. Because now the family is required to raise $25,000 before getting on the list. (I have seen the paperwork) Do I need to go on Doc.? These are not illegals, or dead beats. These are hard working, middle class families. And I could care less what letter is on their voter ID card.
You do not want to address the insane drug expenses. How about the MIL dollar bonuses for insurance execs? While the middle class in this country declares bankruptcy at an alarming rate due to medical expenses. How about why are hospitals becoming mega corporations that do little for the community but increase prices.
At the end of the day I will continue to first ask WWJD.
karen
not how obamacare works..
Yes they will be allowed Chemo. Either by qualifying for Medi. or with insurance that will not be able to put a life time cap on their benefits. I have no idea what will happen with the young transplant patient. But should parents be forced to go fund raise in order to get a child on the list? They have insurance and have had since this child was born.
karen
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | *robin* - 2013-12-29 7:39 AM
Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-29 1:38 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-28 11:26 PM Karen,
I agree about pre-existing conditons and limits but all of that could have been taken care of instead of throwing our whole healthcare system upside down. This new system is hurting more people then helping.
Now see both sides can agree on things!
Where was the legislation to fix those two simple things? From either side? From how many previous administrations?
karen
Karen here you go. This is a summary of what Rep. Tom Price a doctor from GA introduced in 2009. The full bill is available to the public and can be read within a reasonable length of time as it is only 248 pages long. His thoughts on Obama's health care bill are as follows as well. It was not given any consideration at all by the democrats and Obama. Even today when republicans have continued to offer solutions on the same lines Obama refuses to entertain them even though he tells the public differently. What we also do not hear is the republicans idea regarding seniors and Medicare to pay cancer hospitals more if they are incurring higher costs. Through Obamacare due to cuts to Medicare that was to target waste and fraud will instead in fact ration care or target the quality of care to seniors. Think that one through and you will get the drift. The republicans bill is not perfection but it was a start as well and they encouraged discussion from the otherside that never evolved. Instead Obamacare was rammed through. “President Obama’s health care law violates every principle of health care that Americans hold dear: accessibility, affordability, choices, innovation, quality and responsiveness,” Rep. Price said. “The law threatens the doctor-patient relationship. It empowers Washington bureaucrats at the expense of quality health care choices, and quite simply, the federal government should not be interfering with the most personal decisions in the lives of the American people.” A Patient-Centered Solution
RSC Chairman Tom Price has introduced H.R. 3400, the Empowering Patients First Act. This is another positive solution from the Republican Study Committee that grants access to affordable, quality health care for all Americans, and is centered around the patient. By increasing patients’ control over their health decisions, we will make coverage more affordable, accessible and responsive, while offering more choices and the highest-quality care.
This solution is centered around four main principles:
#1: Access to Coverage for All Americans - The Empowering Patients First Act makes the purchase of health care financially feasible for all Americans, covers pre-existing conditions, protects employer-sponsored insurance, and shines light on existing health care plans.
#2: Coverage is Truly Owned by the Patient - This legislation grants greater choice and portability to the patient, and also gives employers more flexibility in the benefits offered. It also expands the individual market by creating several pooling mechanisms.
#3: Improve the Health Care Delivery Structure - Physicians know the best care for their patient. That's why this legislation establishes doctor-led quality measures, ensuring that you get the quality care you need. It also reimburses physicians to ensure the stability of your care, and encourages healthier lifestyles by allowing employers to offer discounts for healthy habits through wellness and prevention programs.
#4: Rein in Out-of-Control Costs - A key concern in positive reform is reining in out-of control costs. This legislation does this by reforming the medical liability system. Also, the cost of the plan is completely offset through decreasing defensive medicine, savings from health care efficiencies, sifting out waste, fraud and abuse, plus an annual one-percent non defense discretionary spending step down.
This is not the only alternative proposal to ObamaCare that has been put forth, but the proposals have a lot of similarities. At least this proposal and others like it attempts to address some key underlying factors that drive the cost of healthcare....and hence, health insurance, through the roof. Some estimate that defensive medicine alone accounts for as much as 20% of healthcare costs.
If you ask any practitioner this they will tell you. Torte reform would go a long ways toward reducing these defensive medicine costs. Removing barriers to competition across state lines is another huge move. One problem inherent with the "insurance-minded" culture we have today is that people don't care what something costs so long as they are "covered". They can run to a clinic for just about any ache and pain or cold they want. I see people all the time who demand that I actually prescribe ibuprofen, so insurance will pay for something even that inexpensive. Until we make people real consumers of healthcare, we will never fix this huge problem, and eventually succumb to pressures from the Obamunists to have a real 100% government takeover of healthcare.
The Progressive mindset is to imprison and stomp out freedom. We had a problem in which 80% of citizens were happy with their healthcare but because this is the mother lode of liberalism, the Obamunists feel that the death of ObamaCare means the death of liberalism....so ObamaCare basically was the beginning of a complete transformation into a single payor system.....something that the vast majority of Americans did not want. ObamaCare is a diabolical back door approach to achieve one crucial, huge chunk of their socialist utopia. This is why we have hired 160,000 IRS agents....basically all thugs needed to keep us in line. Progressives like Karen will guard ObamaCare like a bunch of mad Rotweillers at Damian Thorne's grave. They might express some disappointment with one aspect of ObamaCare or another or they might even suggest a tweak here or there, but you will never ever see a progressive-liberal suggest scrapping ObamaCare and starting over. This is the signature coup of the century for Progressives....even bigger than Medicare and Social Security.
Progressives will squawk that there is no GOP alternative proposal, and when you point out a couple, they slither away and try another approach. Obama himself lies when he says there are no alternative proposals out there.....and his lemmings take him at his word......so now they all look like fools. | |
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Location: GA | HotbearLVR - 2013-12-29 11:02 AM
*robin* - 2013-12-29 7:39 AM
Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-29 1:38 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-28 11:26 PM Karen,
I agree about pre-existing conditons and limits but all of that could have been taken care of instead of throwing our whole healthcare system upside down. This new system is hurting more people then helping.
Now see both sides can agree on things!
Where was the legislation to fix those two simple things? From either side? From how many previous administrations?
karen
Karen here you go. This is a summary of what Rep. Tom Price a doctor from GA introduced in 2009. The full bill is available to the public and can be read within a reasonable length of time as it is only 248 pages long. His thoughts on Obama's health care bill are as follows as well. It was not given any consideration at all by the democrats and Obama. Even today when republicans have continued to offer solutions on the same lines Obama refuses to entertain them even though he tells the public differently. What we also do not hear is the republicans idea regarding seniors and Medicare to pay cancer hospitals more if they are incurring higher costs. Through Obamacare due to cuts to Medicare that was to target waste and fraud will instead in fact ration care or target the quality of care to seniors. Think that one through and you will get the drift. The republicans bill is not perfection but it was a start as well and they encouraged discussion from the otherside that never evolved. Instead Obamacare was rammed through. “President Obama’s health care law violates every principle of health care that Americans hold dear: accessibility, affordability, choices, innovation, quality and responsiveness,” Rep. Price said. “The law threatens the doctor-patient relationship. It empowers Washington bureaucrats at the expense of quality health care choices, and quite simply, the federal government should not be interfering with the most personal decisions in the lives of the American people.” A Patient-Centered Solution
RSC Chairman Tom Price has introduced H.R. 3400, the Empowering Patients First Act. This is another positive solution from the Republican Study Committee that grants access to affordable, quality health care for all Americans, and is centered around the patient. By increasing patients’ control over their health decisions, we will make coverage more affordable, accessible and responsive, while offering more choices and the highest-quality care.
This solution is centered around four main principles:
#1: Access to Coverage for All Americans - The Empowering Patients First Act makes the purchase of health care financially feasible for all Americans, covers pre-existing conditions, protects employer-sponsored insurance, and shines light on existing health care plans.
#2: Coverage is Truly Owned by the Patient - This legislation grants greater choice and portability to the patient, and also gives employers more flexibility in the benefits offered. It also expands the individual market by creating several pooling mechanisms.
#3: Improve the Health Care Delivery Structure - Physicians know the best care for their patient. That's why this legislation establishes doctor-led quality measures, ensuring that you get the quality care you need. It also reimburses physicians to ensure the stability of your care, and encourages healthier lifestyles by allowing employers to offer discounts for healthy habits through wellness and prevention programs.
#4: Rein in Out-of-Control Costs - A key concern in positive reform is reining in out-of control costs. This legislation does this by reforming the medical liability system. Also, the cost of the plan is completely offset through decreasing defensive medicine, savings from health care efficiencies, sifting out waste, fraud and abuse, plus an annual one-percent non defense discretionary spending step down.
This is not the only alternative proposal to ObamaCare that has been put forth, but the proposals have a lot of similarities. At least this proposal and others like it attempts to address some key underlying factors that drive the cost of healthcare....and hence, health insurance, through the roof. Some estimate that defensive medicine alone accounts for as much as 20% of healthcare costs.
If you ask any practitioner this they will tell you. Torte reform would go a long ways toward reducing these defensive medicine costs. Removing barriers to competition across state lines is another huge move. One problem inherent with the "insurance-minded" culture we have today is that people don't care what something costs so long as they are "covered". They can run to a clinic for just about any ache and pain or cold they want. I see people all the time who demand that I actually prescribe ibuprofen, so insurance will pay for something even that inexpensive. Until we make people real consumers of healthcare, we will never fix this huge problem, and eventually succumb to pressures from the Obamunists to have a real 100% government takeover of healthcare.
The Progressive mindset is to imprison and stomp out freedom. We had a problem in which 80% of citizens were happy with their healthcare but because this is the mother lode of liberalism, the Obamunists feel that the death of ObamaCare means the death of liberalism....so ObamaCare basically was the beginning of a complete transformation into a single payor system.....something that the vast majority of Americans did not want. ObamaCare is a diabolical back door approach to achieve one crucial, huge chunk of their socialist utopia. This is why we have hired 160,000 IRS agents....basically all thugs needed to keep us in line. Progressives like Karen will guard ObamaCare like a bunch of mad Rotweillers at Damian Thorne's grave. They might express some disappointment with one aspect of ObamaCare or another or they might even suggest a tweak here or there, but you will never ever see a progressive-liberal suggest scrapping ObamaCare and starting over. This is the signature coup of the century for Progressives....even bigger than Medicare and Social Security.
Progressives will squawk that there is no GOP alternative proposal, and when you point out a couple, they slither away and try another approach. Obama himself lies when he says there are no alternative proposals out there.....and his lemmings take him at his word......so now they all look like fools.
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Location: san antonio texas | Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-29 12:38 AM Nevertooold - 2013-12-28 11:26 PM Karen,
I agree about pre-existing conditons and limits but all of that could have been taken care of instead of throwing our whole healthcare system upside down. This new system is hurting more people then helping.
Now see both sides can agree on things!
Where was the legislation to fix those two simple things? From either side? From how many previous administrations?
karen
The Dem's REFUSED to negotiate on ANYTHING.... REFUSED. | |
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Location: san antonio texas | HotbearLVR - 2013-12-29 1:36 AM Stitch4k9 - 2013-12-28 11:24 PM HotbearLVR - 2013-12-28 7:47 AM smiley - 2013-12-27 7:40 PM
I didn't read all the replies because I am actually sick at the moment. I called first thing this morning - 6:05 am and was promptly cut off after waiting 11 minutes to get to an appt. setter. Called back, waited another 10 minutes to be told there were no appts., at the military base that I'm assigned to. Asked to get a referral to Urgent care, was told I would HAVE to have a nurse telecon in order for them to decide if *I* needed to go.
I was told they have up to 72 hours to respond to my request for a telecon. Haven't slept for two days, coughed so hard I puked four times between yesterday and today. Once, while drive the pick up truck, thanfkully no one was behind me to take off my driver door.
I go to urgent care, thinking this must be a joke, nope, I can pay $100 for the visit - cash - or I can get a referral. Called the telecon people back, by now it's 2:45 pm and said "I REALLY need to see a doctor" and that I PAY for my coverage and that I should not have to go sit at Fort Carson ER for HOURS getting sick with something else when I pay for coverage and they are the ones with no appts.
Finally, she says she will have someone call me back, I said "no, I'll wait on the phone" and she actually came back and had someone talk to me who finally said I could have a referral. I actually cried. It should NOT have to be this way to get to a doctor. You think that govt., run healthcare is going to work - look at the VA, look at this example, which has gotten steadily worse and worse the longer we've had to deal with the local military providers.
A steroid inhaler and some antibiotics later and I'm hoping to sleep tonight and not cough until I puke.
NOT looking for sympathy, I"m just giving you an example of what YOUR money is going to be payinig for. I wish us all luck.
Almost forgot the best part, when I called back at 2:45 the referral for a telecon was not even IN the system............... I hope everyone gets a chance to read this, because this is a good example of healthcare of the future. Like it or not, there will be rationing and waiting in line. The root problem in all of this is healthcare costs that are unaffordable and we are searching for some magic bullet...some magic insurance plan that will cover expenses but not cost too much. Well, I have news....there is NO such thing. The only way to make healthcare affordable is to charge citizens with the responsibility in some fashion. The role of government would be to eliminate barriers to competition across state lines, enact some kind of torte reform, etc... HSAs and Catastrophic coverage is really a good way of getting runaway costs under control. The Obamunists like Karen try to emphasize that ObamaCare is not government healthcare. They are lying through their teeth, because ObamaCare is just a stage.....a first step toward their socialist utopian state. This is not a new concept. Obama himself has been captured on video talking about his goals for a single payor......and yet Karen and her ilk try telling us this is not government healthcare. Go back and read dhdqhllq's posts.....he's right on the money. Whenever a liberal progressive pulls the "WWJD" out of their bag of tricks I know they are in trouble. They love using the "WWJD" expression selectively. You never see a liberal progressive use that expression when they are arguing in favor of infanticide.
Because I will not bow to your constant name calling and bullying you love to call me out. Hope it makes you feel important and superior. I think it makes you look small and sad.
karen
Nice try. I didn't call out your belief in God. I pointed out how liberals such as yourself selectively use the "WWJD" cliche'. You need to go back and read what I wrote. Stop distorting what I said. It makes YOU look small and sad. I don't feel "important and superior". I blame people like you for electing a tyrant whose goal it is to "transform" this nation into a socialist utopia. Obama lied when he said "If you like your plan you can keep your plan....period." He said these things because if he would have told the truth, he wouldn't have been elected. He twisted arms and carried out back room deals in order to get ObamaCare passed by the thinnest of margins. I will hold you and your progressive cohorts responsible for the damage ObamaCare does to this country. All of the people who have posted on this thread about how ObamaCare has caused nothing but misery and hardship for them and their families have you and your fellow Obamunists to blame.
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Location: san antonio texas | mouse - 2013-12-29 9:16 AM IN his 2nd term, President Bush proposed a plan to allow a $5000 tax deduction towards the purchase of a health insurance..........of course dear Nancy wouldn't allow it to reach the floor for a vote..................
I forgot all about that!! | |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | carlos - 2013-12-29 2:38 PM mouse - 2013-12-29 9:16 AM IN his 2nd term, President Bush proposed a plan to allow a $5000 tax deduction towards the purchase of a health insurance..........of course dear Nancy wouldn't allow it to reach the floor for a vote.................. I forgot all about that!!
I remember that ..
karen It was my understanding that .. obamacare doesnt work like that.
so basically you think its ok that the ones that have never paid and live on welfare are entitled to this chemo and treatments etc.... for free but the people that have been paying insurance all along and supporting themselves now cant afford it??is this how it is? | |
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BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Bibliafarm - 2013-12-29 1:44 PM
carlos - 2013-12-29 2:38 PM mouse - 2013-12-29 9:16 AM IN his 2nd term, President Bush proposed a plan to allow a $5000 tax deduction towards the purchase of a health insurance..........of course dear Nancy wouldn't allow it to reach the floor for a vote.................. I forgot all about that!!
karen It was my understanding that .. obamacare doesnt work like that.
so basically you think its ok that the ones that have never paid and live on welfare are entitled to this chemo and treatments etc.... for free but the people that have been paying insurance all along and supporting themselves now cant afford it??is this how it is?
I agree Bibs. Obama came into office on a theme of "Hope and Change". The man had everything in his favor....a dem majority in both houses, an ambitious agenda, a promise of transparency, and likability. He could have been a uniter; instead he was a divider. He squandered the trust the voters placed in him.
Obama had an opportunity to fix what was wrong with healthcare. He chose instead to go with this 2700 page monstrosity that nobody even read.....and now that it has passed we are following Pelosi's command.......learning what's contained within ObamaCare, with each debacle that is revealed. I think this chaos and widespread dissatisfaction was something Obama anticipated. Once he was re-elected, Obama was free to show his true colors. Millions have been harmed by this monster. | |
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Location: Wyoming | I am one of those that liked my insurance and got the letter. We are a family of four and paid for our own insurance. My husband is grandfathered in cause he purchased the insurance in Feb. right before the cutoff. I had to wait cause I was 7 months pregnant. (We had changed insurance companies so I was still insured) so I changed companies in May (after the cut off). After that we had one more child. Both boys are on my policy so me and my two boys will be without insurance in May. I looked at insurance companies and there is NO WAY I can afford the NEW insurance premiums and the deductables are ridiculous.
So now between my 3 siblings + families and me (all of which had insurance) there is only 1 brother that still has it through his company but that will change the end of next year. That's 10 people that now are not insured and when my other brother looses his that will be 14. | |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Im sure businesss are having a terrible time with this as well.. | |
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 Famous for Not Complaining
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Location: Broxton, Ga | jbhoot - 2013-12-27 8:08 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-28 5:58 PM does anyone know what the fine will actually be???? from my understanding, it doesn't amount to much and IF they decide to collect fines (which at this point sounds highly unlikely for 2014), they can only take the fine out of any tax refund you get......no one can force you to have to actually pay something.....??????? 95 dollars OR 1.5% of your gross income which ever is higher. This will rise to 2.5% by 2016. You are correct they can only collect if you are owed a refund.
I wonder how long it will be before that is changed............... | |
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