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| Zanadoo88 - 2014-01-15 8:08 PM
SKM - 2014-01-15 6:44 PM
I must say...I am really glad that I never asked about bloodlines when I bought this filly. Double bred Beduino.... Go Man Go.... that dreaded Hancock.... all that's missing is Impressive. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/grc+quick+scrutinyI did listen to BHW once and passed up a PYC Paint Your Wagon filly for $6,000 because everyone here said it was too much. She sold for $10,000, ran out about $13,000 on the track as a 2 year old and is now in the barrel pen. I learned my lesson on that one.
As for the Hancock haters... you do all realize that he was foaled in 1923? So that means that his bloodline is so diluted that there could easily be other horses more responsible for the broncy behaviour?
Or... let's face it, some horses are simply not meant for some people. Call it a personality clash or what have you. I believe bad horses , regardless of the bloodline, are few and far inbetween. But the Man Made nasty ones are a dime a dozen.
Well said!! I like the way you think!!! 
Joe Hancock wasn't known to be a bucker, nor was most of his immediate offspring. Its the mares that him and his offspring bred that are suspected of passing on that trait. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I would have to spend some time with anything Holland Ease or Apollo before I bought one. I've seen a horrible daughter of Holland Ease and I had an Apollo daughter that wasn't very nice. The Apollo's colt came out exactly like her. I couldn't get rid of them fast enough. I sold the Apollo colt at Heritage and we literally walked the long trip to the ring with him on his hind legs. I'm sure people were betting that he was going to get away from me before we made it to the ring lol. I feel sorry for the other horses walking in the pre-sale ring lol......No one saw their horses because they were all too busy laughing at me lol.
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-16 10:45 AM Doc Bar, those with him up closer or more than once, only buckers I've ever had.
And Little Peppy (Peppy San Badger), those who really got his performance cutting gene are so stingy and watchy and reactive, they really aren't fun to ride.
I thought I was making this up in my mind but for whatever reason, Doc Bar up close and I are like oil and water. I don't get em' |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I'm another that is NOT a fan of Murrtheblurr horses. My experiences have been with sons. ALL were counterfiet(sp) dinks that would just as soon kill either you OR themselves as look at you. I "blame" the stud because his sons with these mares were TOTALLY different than sons and daughters out of the SAME mares but by different stallions. They all had the same upbringing.
I stay away from Impressive bred horses becasue of resale. BUT, one of the nicest horses I have ever ridden traced to Impressive. He was a competetive (sp) barrel horse, ranch horse, and was even calf roped on some. He was THE horse you rode to do ANY job on the ranch. ESPECIALLY if you needed to drag a ****ed off bull into the trailer in the middle of a 5000 acre pasture. He was bought as a scrawny "sale barn special" 2yo stud, gelded, and used HARD for years and is still alive and kicking and is 30yo this year.
I think that if all these lines that are "known for buckers" were really THAT bad as a whole, they would have "died out" a LONG time ago. |
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Location: SoCal | "Badgers". Aka Peppy San Badger bred horses. Most of the ones I know of are cold backed, and have not grown out of it. However typically as long as you lunge them or get their back warm, they're better behaved. I have a mare right now who is Beduino bred (we've had many horses of this bloodline) and I love them. I also really like Hancock, although we haven't owned many, but from what I've heard, they're really good working horses once broke. I'd probably own an Impressive only if they were correct and n/n. I believe some traits are passed but the out crosses in the bloodline can have a lot to do with issues. |
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Location: In Ky following Barrel Races & Walker hounds. | When I had my mare at the race track this spring the outrider wanted to see her because he had heard several people say how nice she was. He loved her until I told her she was Skipa Star(Skipper W) on top. lol he had one that was also a barrel horse, and as he started describing his quirks I had to laugh, she has every single one he had. Will work herself to death for you, but dont try to tell her shes wrong... She will pitch a fit in a heart beat. She knows her job, and does not like being man handled. She had definitely taught me to be a quieter rider.
When my gelding was back there and he found out what "local" line he was from, he said "I'll bet he can buck" lol... Honestly hes only ever SERIOUSLY bucked once in the whole time I have owned him, but in general no. Hes not a mean hearted horse. he likes to work and go.
As far as the mare goes I would say he was probably right, that they got their temper from the Skipa Star/Skipper W line because the way he described his gelding was exactly how she is. May just be a fluke, but maybe not. As far as the gelding goes this line is a lot like some of the "Hancocks" you see.. These horses need jobs, and need to have something to focus on.
I dont really avoid any bloodlines I dont guess... QH wise. But I would probably never buy a horse with Storm Cat within the first 2-3 generations.... Every single one I have handled(about 20), has been quirky, spooky, nasty attitudes, ect just naturally. The ones I have handled were all SC grand babies or great grand babies. The one I have handled the most though was a grandson. He is a gelding but he will flat try to hurt you. Handled a granddaughter the same way. The rest werent THAT bad, but they were bad enough I wouldnt put myself through handling one daily if I didnt HAVE to. |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.
My Bully Bullion was a Daughter - Here ya go! | Makeover a Bully 5113331 2006 sorrel mare | | SIRE side of pedigree | | Raise Your Glass (TB) 1968
T0118794 chestnut
| Raise a Native (TB) 1961
T0116267 chestnut
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1962337 sorrel
| Champagne Woman (TB) 1963
T0152824 chestnut
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0912824 sorrel
| Double Devil 1962
0213370 sorrel
| Bully Bullion 1984
2357501 bay
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T0057941 bay
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0103728 brown
| Bymeabond (TB) 1942
T0054155 bay
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0274441 brown
| Queenie 1937
0002543 bay
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0053974 chestnut
| Spotted Bull (TB) 1946
T0065183 bay
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0012620 chestnut
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T0248718 chestnut
| Raise a Native (TB) 1961
T0116267 chestnut
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2361537 sorrel
| Mellow Marsh (TB) 1963
T0239451 chestnut
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1308451 bay
| Alamitos Bar 1959
0150623 bay
| Remake 1993
3239251 chestnut
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T0065460 chestnut
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1308642 chestnut
| Tiny's Gay 1972
0856846 brown
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2454192 chestnut
| Sparkling Tip 1966
0540692 chestnut
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2093122 sorrel
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T0057845 chestnut
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0820900 sorrel
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| Here's the Oklahoma Fuel pedi
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/marjon+to+win |
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Location: Desert Land | Griz - 2014-01-16 9:33 AM rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.
Makeover a Bully 5113331 2006 sorrel mare
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Raise Your Glass (TB) 1968
T0118794 chestnut
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Raise a Native (TB) 1961
T0116267 chestnut
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Special Effort 1979
1962337 sorrel
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Champagne Woman (TB) 1963
T0152824 chestnut
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Go Effortlessly 1969
0912824 sorrel
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Double Devil 1962
0213370 sorrel
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Bully Bullion 1984
2357501 bay
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Hijo Beauty (TB) 1955
T0057941 bay
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Bond Issue 1955
0103728 brown
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Bymeabond (TB) 1942
T0054155 bay
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Mary Poppins 1963
0274441 brown
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Queenie 1937
0002543 bay
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Raza 1953
0053974 chestnut
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Spotted Bull (TB) 1946
T0065183 bay
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Ariel Lady 1946
0012620 chestnut
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L'Natural (TB) 1973
T0248718 chestnut
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Raise a Native (TB) 1961
T0116267 chestnut
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Raise a Secret 1983
2361537 sorrel
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Mellow Marsh (TB) 1963
T0239451 chestnut
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Ala Secret Sue 1975
1308451 bay
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Alamitos Bar 1959
0150623 bay
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Remake 1993
3239251 chestnut
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Sully's Secret (TB) 1955
T0065460 chestnut
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Merridoc 1977
1308642 chestnut
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Tiny's Gay 1972
0856846 brown
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Making Merri 1986
2454192 chestnut
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Sparkling Tip 1966
0540692 chestnut
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Seperate Ways 1978
2093122 sorrel
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Hempen (TB) 1962
T0057845 chestnut
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Jet Together 1972
0820900 sorrel
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Wow...love the way she's bred. Where did she end up?? |
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| Yeah - bred out the wazoo - and wilder than a March hare - I sold her for $250 - was SICK of looking at her, she stands in a pasture by Mulvane, Ks and does NOTHING - I'll bet she hasn't been ridden in 3 years. She definately had a loose screw and I couldn't imagine she could EVER take the pressure of the barrel pen - she SHOULD have been run on the track - what a waste. |
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Location: South Georgia | FlyingJT - 2014-01-15 1:14 PM chuckie31 - 2014-01-15 12:01 PM Can I ask why you steer clear of Impressive bloodlines? Most people is because of HYPP.
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Location: Idahome | angelica - 2014-01-15 4:21 PM
I have had bad luck with Go Man Go or Top Deck bred horses, thats older blood lines. I have had good luck with Impressive bred horses.
I have a full bro/sis that have GMG and TD one name off their papers and I love them. This is on the dam side while the sire is King/Doc Bar bred, so not sure if that makes a difference. I will say though that then both are late to mature. The gelding is now 8 and just coming into himself within the last year or so. I entered 1 futurity on him at 5 and it was horrible, he wasn't mentally ready and after trying I realized he hated running barrels. He seemed to have a short attention span and would space off after the 2nd. He is now hubby's head horse and he loves that job. He is smart, but only wants to work on his terms. He reminds me of a dumb jock, smart and athletic but doesn't think he needs to put in the work.
The filly is 4 this year and she maybe only has 45 days of riding on her (we held her off a bit because she was very small). In those 45 days though, she so by far the nicest colt I have been on. Very smart, willing and athletic. She really filled out this winter and I can't wait to get back on her this spring. |
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Location: SoCal | BlazeFlameHarley - 2014-01-16 9:15 AM
When I had my mare at the race track this spring the outrider wanted to see her because he had heard several people say how nice she was. He loved her until I told her she was Skipa Star(Skipper W) on top. lol he had one that was also a barrel horse, and as he started describing his quirks I had to laugh, she has every single one he had. Will work herself to death for you, but dont try to tell her shes wrong... She will pitch a fit in a heart beat. She knows her job, and does not like being man handled. She had definitely taught me to be a quieter rider.
When my gelding was back there and he found out what "local" line he was from, he said "I'll bet he can buck" lol... Honestly hes only ever SERIOUSLY bucked once in the whole time I have owned him, but in general no. Hes not a mean hearted horse. he likes to work and go.
As far as the mare goes I would say he was probably right, that they got their temper from the Skipa Star/Skipper W line because the way he described his gelding was exactly how she is. May just be a fluke, but maybe not. As far as the gelding goes this line is a lot like some of the "Hancocks" you see.. These horses need jobs, and need to have something to focus on.
I dont really avoid any bloodlines I dont guess... QH wise. But I would probably never buy a horse with Storm Cat within the first 2-3 generations.... Every single one I have handled(about 20), has been quirky, spooky, nasty attitudes, ect just naturally. The ones I have handled were all SC grand babies or great grand babies. The one I have handled the most though was a grandson. He is a gelding but he will flat try to hurt you. Handled a granddaughter the same way. The rest werent THAT bad, but they were bad enough I wouldnt put myself through handling one daily if I didnt HAVE to.
We had a Skipper W who was very quirky. He had been trained on barrels and my grandma was using him. I knew his breeder an had known him before he was broke. very confident and loving, but he could have a naughty streak! Broke as could be (bareback and neck rope type horse) but ask him to run and he was hard to shut down. If there was a tree he could run you into, he would. I was running to the first barrel, he didn't turn and instead ran me through the pine tree right behind it. I just leaned back against his back and waited till it was over (my family who was out there thought I got stuck in the tree till I came out the other side still on him), but I had green, sap, and scratches up my arms, chest and face. Loved him but he was quirky for sure.
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Location: the high desert | I look at the horse first then the pedigree. If that horse is everything I want but has so and so on the pedigree or isn't even bred to be a barrel horse I will still buy it. The horses conformation, mind, soundness, athletic ability, and they way the horse works for me are more important to me than a set of papers. |
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Location: In Ky following Barrel Races & Walker hounds. | Last Catt - 2014-01-16 12:22 PM
BlazeFlameHarley - 2014-01-16 9:15 AM
When I had my mare at the race track this spring the outrider wanted to see her because he had heard several people say how nice she was. He loved her until I told her she was Skipa Star(Skipper W) on top. lol he had one that was also a barrel horse, and as he started describing his quirks I had to laugh, she has every single one he had. Will work herself to death for you, but dont try to tell her shes wrong... She will pitch a fit in a heart beat. She knows her job, and does not like being man handled. She had definitely taught me to be a quieter rider.
When my gelding was back there and he found out what "local" line he was from, he said "I'll bet he can buck" lol... Honestly hes only ever SERIOUSLY bucked once in the whole time I have owned him, but in general no. Hes not a mean hearted horse. he likes to work and go.
As far as the mare goes I would say he was probably right, that they got their temper from the Skipa Star/Skipper W line because the way he described his gelding was exactly how she is. May just be a fluke, but maybe not. As far as the gelding goes this line is a lot like some of the "Hancocks" you see.. These horses need jobs, and need to have something to focus on.
I dont really avoid any bloodlines I dont guess... QH wise. But I would probably never buy a horse with Storm Cat within the first 2-3 generations.... Every single one I have handled(about 20), has been quirky, spooky, nasty attitudes, ect just naturally. The ones I have handled were all SC grand babies or great grand babies. The one I have handled the most though was a grandson. He is a gelding but he will flat try to hurt you. Handled a granddaughter the same way. The rest werent THAT bad, but they were bad enough I wouldnt put myself through handling one daily if I didnt HAVE to.
We had a Skipper W who was very quirky. He had been trained on barrels and my grandma was using him. I knew his breeder an had known him before he was broke. very confident and loving, but he could have a naughty streak! Broke as could be (bareback and neck rope type horse ) but ask him to run and he was hard to shut down. If there was a tree he could run you into, he would. I was running to the first barrel, he didn't turn and instead ran me through the pine tree right behind it. I just leaned back against his back and waited till it was over (my family who was out there thought I got stuck in the tree till I came out the other side still on him ), but I had green, sap, and scratches up my arms, chest and face. Loved him but he was quirky for sure.
Mine has only been hard to shut down a few times but that is one thing I have to drill her on a lot or she gets TOUGH. When shes running you cant manhandle her in anyway..And if you pick at her she has this thing she does where she bunches her body up, and will swish her tail and chew on her bit.. My husband says "I wish you could see her... she even LOOKS like a "witch" right now" Lol! I would take more in a heartbeat... Shes a handful but she has taught me so much... |
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| I havent heard the best things about royal quick dash? anybody had experience with them? bad? |
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| Hancock or Blue Valentine, if it close up in the pedigree. I may touch one with a ten foot pole.. maybe 
My husband's horse has Hancock.. way back there and he is awesome. But I bought a horse with Joe Hancock, and he came straight from the Wyoming/Nebraska lines... he bucked once and I felt like a rodeo contestant. Needless to say, we parted ways.. only after a concussion and stitches! The dog did scare him though! |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Griz - 2014-01-16 11:33 AM rachellyn80 - 2014-01-16 8:36 AM Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction.
Makeover a Bully 5113331 2006 sorrel mare
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SIRE side of pedigree |
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Raise Your Glass (TB) 1968
T0118794 chestnut
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Raise a Native (TB) 1961
T0116267 chestnut
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Special Effort 1979
1962337 sorrel
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Champagne Woman (TB) 1963
T0152824 chestnut
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Go Effortlessly 1969
0912824 sorrel
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Double Devil 1962
0213370 sorrel
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Bully Bullion 1984
2357501 bay
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Hijo Beauty (TB) 1955
T0057941 bay
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Bond Issue 1955
0103728 brown
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Bymeabond (TB) 1942
T0054155 bay
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Mary Poppins 1963
0274441 brown
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Queenie 1937
0002543 bay
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Raza 1953
0053974 chestnut
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Spotted Bull (TB) 1946
T0065183 bay
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Ariel Lady 1946
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L'Natural (TB) 1973
T0248718 chestnut
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Raise a Native (TB) 1961
T0116267 chestnut
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Raise a Secret 1983
2361537 sorrel
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Mellow Marsh (TB) 1963
T0239451 chestnut
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Ala Secret Sue 1975
1308451 bay
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Alamitos Bar 1959
0150623 bay
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Remake 1993
3239251 chestnut
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Sully's Secret (TB) 1955
T0065460 chestnut
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Merridoc 1977
1308642 chestnut
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Tiny's Gay 1972
0856846 brown
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Making Merri 1986
2454192 chestnut
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Sparkling Tip 1966
0540692 chestnut
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Seperate Ways 1978
2093122 sorrel
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Hempen (TB) 1962
T0057845 chestnut
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Jet Together 1972
0820900 sorrel
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Location: London Ontario | I have yet to ride enough horses to say a bloodline i wont buy but i sure know a whack load of PEOPLE i wont buy FROM!!!! |
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 More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7.
Send me your Bully Bullion. I love mine. |
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