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Location: Near San Antonio, TX | I think that they are concluding that if the last "ping" the planes engines made was somewhere in the south Indian Ocean, and that ping comes only once per hour, and there is no runway or even land within hours of the planes location at that time, they are deducing that the only option is that is ran out of fuel apparently and the flight ended in the ocean. I am not saying I agree with their concluding that, but I can see their line of reasoning.
My heart is so, so very broken for all directly affected by this. If those poor passengers knew something was amiss, yet the plane flew on and on for hours, you know they knew death was coming. Just a sad, sad deal. I really hope that they decided it was a good time to pray. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Everything about this story has been screwy and diabolical right from the start. |
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Location: Alberta | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 12:56 PM Everything about this story has been screwy and diabolical right from the start.
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Location: So. California | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 11:56 AM Everything about this story has been screwy and diabolical right from the start.
Scary to think this can happen on a seemingly not very exciting international flight. All I see is a bunch of ineptness, they are just grasping at straws as they have no answers, and the pressure is enormous.
We may never know what happened to this plane and passengers...
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Location: Living in my Promised Land | And we are to believe that the statement is true because the Prime Minister of Malaysia said it???? |
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Location: So. California | It is not for us to believe, it was for the families of the passengers. And they aren't buying into it... Since the majority of the passengers were Chinese, do you think the Chinese government is accepting this? |
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Cold hands and Warm Heart
Location: oklahoma | Any truth in the fact that most of the passengers wee computer experts? The only one I found info about was in fact, an employee of IBM, from Texas. This whole ordeal has been shady from the beginning. Why would anyone want to take their pm's word without evidence? |
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Location: That part of Texas | From an evidence stand point, it is pre-mature and possibly a little reckless in trying to say what exactly happened when they don't really know where the plane is at.
From a practical stand point, it is what needed to be done in terms of allowing the families to start dealing with the fallout from the death of their loved ones. Nobody wants to think about the practical matters when it comes with losing someone in an accident like this but life goes on -- bills are due, things have to be taken care of and finances are a big part for some of those left behind. Until someone says that the passengers are lost, the process in getting them declared dead so life insurance can be collected, estates processed so people can maintain what is left behind and matters dealing with child custody can possibly be taken care of.
How many days could your household run without you as a breadwinner or having the capability of running your household finances? These people have been gone for over two weeks. I know my personal stuff couldn't hold out much longer if I didn't have any type of documents or plans in place for someone to be able to access my bank accounts or other private information. Without being basically declared dead, you can't start the process of getting that type of access if you didn't already plan for it and have certain documents in place. Even most guardianships require the proposed ward to be served and how are you going to serve someone with process when even the US government can't find them? I feel bad for the families but this will probably help some in getting the ball rolling on dealing with the fallout.
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| Red Raider - 2014-03-24 5:53 PM From an evidence stand point, it is pre-mature and possibly a little reckless in trying to say what exactly happened when they don't really know where the plane is at.
From a practical stand point, it is what needed to be done in terms of allowing the families to start dealing with the fallout from the death of their loved ones. Nobody wants to think about the practical matters when it comes with losing someone in an accident like this but life goes on -- bills are due, things have to be taken care of and finances are a big part for some of those left behind. Until someone says that the passengers are lost, the process in getting them declared dead so life insurance can be collected, estates processed so people can maintain what is left behind and matters dealing with child custody can possibly be taken care of.
How many days could your household run without you as a breadwinner or having the capability of running your household finances? These people have been gone for over two weeks. I know my personal stuff couldn't hold out much longer if I didn't have any type of documents or plans in place for someone to be able to access my bank accounts or other private information. Without being basically declared dead, you can't start the process of getting that type of access if you didn't already plan for it and have certain documents in place. Even most guardianships require the proposed ward to be served and how are you going to serve someone with process when even the US government can't find them? I feel bad for the families but this will probably help some in getting the ball rolling on dealing with the fallout.
I never even thought about this aspect - thank you for that insight - I know what a mess it was for me with my Dad's finances and he only had hip surgery!
The whole thing has me VERY skeptical - somebody needs to come up with some proof of SOMETHING. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Red Raider - 2014-03-24 5:53 PM From an evidence stand point, it is pre-mature and possibly a little reckless in trying to say what exactly happened when they don't really know where the plane is at.
From a practical stand point, it is what needed to be done in terms of allowing the families to start dealing with the fallout from the death of their loved ones. Nobody wants to think about the practical matters when it comes with losing someone in an accident like this but life goes on -- bills are due, things have to be taken care of and finances are a big part for some of those left behind. Until someone says that the passengers are lost, the process in getting them declared dead so life insurance can be collected, estates processed so people can maintain what is left behind and matters dealing with child custody can possibly be taken care of.
How many days could your household run without you as a breadwinner or having the capability of running your household finances? These people have been gone for over two weeks. I know my personal stuff couldn't hold out much longer if I didn't have any type of documents or plans in place for someone to be able to access my bank accounts or other private information. Without being basically declared dead, you can't start the process of getting that type of access if you didn't already plan for it and have certain documents in place. Even most guardianships require the proposed ward to be served and how are you going to serve someone with process when even the US government can't find them? I feel bad for the families but this will probably help some in getting the ball rolling on dealing with the fallout.
Thanks... this makes sense.
The whole thing is so weird. I really don't believe anything we've heard up to this point. Too many questions and no answers. |
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Location: That part of Texas | Griz - 2014-03-25 6:52 AM I never even thought about this aspect - thank you for that insight - I know what a mess it was for me with my Dad's finances and he only had hip surgery! I've always done estate planning as part of my private practice so I tend to think about things differently than most people and see that angle in things, especially when someone has died. I can be crying over losing a close friend or even relative while also thinking, "Where did he put his will . . . etc." I know, I can be horrible but I've had to help so many people through the process that it's just something that goes hand in hand with death in my mind.
If anybody wishes to send prayers to the family of the fellow Texan who was on board the plane (the IBM executive), here's a link to the FB page that was set up for him and any information on the flight:
https://www.facebook.com/findingphilipwood370
God Bless all of the family and friends of those on board. 
ETA: Link to video interview of James Wood -- Phillips brother and the families reaction to the news: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/topvideos/2014/03/24/ac-intv-james-wood-flight-370-passenger-brother.cnn-ap.html
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So the experts seem to have concluded that this airliner disappeared in the south Indian Ocean, and the families have been told everyone is dead, yet no evidence exists that this jet went down, in terms of debris, etc... Remember Captain Sullenberger who put that US Air jet down in the Hudson river a few years ago? He set that thing down and it skimmed across the water. Slowly it started to sink, but not before everyone was rescued. For whatever reason, what if this pilot decided this was what he was going to do? If he succeeded, and if everyone onboard was already dead from a sudden decompression, then the pilot could have possibly landed that thing without breaking it up. It would be laying intact on the bottom of the ocean, 2-3 miles down. They are searching an area as large as Alaska. It will take a LONG time to find this thing, if ever.
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-25 7:30 PM So the experts seem to have concluded that this airliner disappeared in the south Indian Ocean, and the families have been told everyone is dead, yet no evidence exists that this jet went down, in terms of debris, etc... Remember Captain Sullenberger who put that US Air jet down in the Hudson river a few years ago? He set that thing down and it skimmed across the water. Slowly it started to sink, but not before everyone was rescued. For whatever reason, what if this pilot decided this was what he was going to do? If he succeeded, and if everyone onboard was already dead from a sudden decompression, then the pilot could have possibly landed that thing without breaking it up. It would be laying intact on the bottom of the ocean, 2-3 miles down. They are searching an area as large as Alaska. It will take a LONG time to find this thing, if ever.
?Just a thought/possible theory.
Not to sound rude but there is no way in hell they would have been successful in a ditching. Captain Sully said himself that the only reason he was successful was because he wasn't at a high altitude, just taking off, and there was perfect conditions on the Hudson at the time and there was a lot of 'luck' going his way. As far as I know (and I've read up on a lot of aircraft stuff these past few weeks), his is the only successful ditching of an aircraft on water.
I'm still going with the hijacking gone wrong theory. IMO its at the bottom of the Indian Ocean or in a country that isn't exactly an ally of the US. With that being said, there is no way any of the crew and passengers are alive.
As far as the Malaysian government is concerned- you know you've f'ed up when the Chinese government is telling you to be more transparent. Absolute collossal failure by the Malaysian government and this whole debacle is making them look like the third world country they are. I feel sorry for the families that had relatives onboard. I can't imagine what I would be doing if I didn't have answers. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I would have thought you were right, bc, but actually, it has been done successfully a number of times. Read this article:
http://www.airasia.com/travel3sixty/from-the-magazine/highlights/pilotsperspective/landing-on-water |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | CurlyQ - 2014-03-23 5:30 PM Any truth in the fact that most of the passengers wee computer experts? The only one I found info about was in fact, an employee of IBM, from Texas. This whole ordeal has been shady from the beginning. Why would anyone want to take their pm's word without evidence?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-24 11:35 PM I would have thought you were right, bc, but actually, it has been done successfully a number of times. Read this article:
http://www.airasia.com/travel3sixty/from-the-magazine/highlights/pilotsperspective/landing-on-water
I sure don't know enough on this subject but almost seems impossible due to the conditions of the Indian Ocean...... |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | They are now saying a friend of the pilot whose wife had left him has came out and said the pilot was not in a state of mind to fly................but my question is why fly for hours........
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WOR-crash-or-pilot-suicide-pilot-friend-says-he-was-upset-and-probably-not-in-a-stat-4560825-NOR.html |
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Location: Oklahoma | CJE - 2014-03-26 10:21 AM CurlyQ - 2014-03-23 5:30 PM Any truth in the fact that most of the passengers wee computer experts? The only one I found info about was in fact, an employee of IBM, from Texas. This whole ordeal has been shady from the beginning. Why would anyone want to take their pm's word without evidence? http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company
A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.
Wow. That was a very interesting read. I'd say that's a pretty soild (but still sad) motive. |
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Location: So. California | CJE - 2014-03-26 8:21 AM CurlyQ - 2014-03-23 5:30 PM Any truth in the fact that most of the passengers wee computer experts? The only one I found info about was in fact, an employee of IBM, from Texas. This whole ordeal has been shady from the beginning. Why would anyone want to take their pm's word without evidence? http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company
A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.
They had 20 employees on board, out of 18,000+ employees. In hind sight, a bad idea to book all those employees on one flight, though very common when booking group travel. Only the company knows what projects those employees were working on, I'm not buying into the connection. They do have a Facebook page. |
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Location: Florida.. | my father and his guys would fly seperately.. a few on one jet and a few on another.. just for safety reasons.. never flew together all of them..
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