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Location: Texas | roanrider - 2014-04-21 2:50 PM
grinandbareit - 2014-04-21 3:37 PM roanrider - 2014-04-21 12:37 PM I realize I'm opening myself up for criticisim but here's my 3 year old. He had 30 days last fall, turned out Nov-March and went back for another 15-20 rides late March/early April. You can open/close gates on him, he's been used to move cattle and check fence. This was the first time in this arena and the ground was much deeper than anything he'd been in before.  He may not have ALL the bells and whistles that some of you expect in 60 days but I think he has a nice start.Â
I'll put my helmet on for when people start throwing rocks at me.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBArUPnGN4 Okay… not taking anything away from the colt or the guy on him… He is a super nice horse and the guy is great with his hands… BUT… This is a totally different kind of horse than the horse in the other video. This colt looks a little lazy and is probably bred a little quieter than the other horse. He looks like he is a horse that is very mature for his age and doesn't get too worried about stuff… my kind of horse, lol. They can make you look really good. The other horse is - a little more horse - he has more go to him and he's more "nervous" in general. With a horse like that I would go pretty slow and do my best to keep him relaxed and willing. You can't put these suckers in a box.
I have another 3 year old at this same trainer and she is more animated. She has a mind of her own and has more fire to her.  Some days she rides like this gelding, other days she's still bucking. lol  She's doing the same maneuvers that this gelding is but it will take longer to get her riding consistent.....so she's staying there for a while longer!!!!  Â
Perhaps "lazy" was the wrong word… By lazy I mean he looks like he would rather sit quiet in the corner, lol. That is not a bad thing. Part of that came from the fact that the rider gave him a little pop with the rein to remind him to keep moving. I have had several just like that and they were all super nice horses. A little lazy isn't necessarily a bad thing, IMO. I'd sure rather work and ride one that wants to chill out rather than fight to get one to relax.
I love my daughter to death, but she can be a little lazy, lol. Doesn't mean that she isn't a great mom and great at her job, she just enjoys being "quiet" when she should be doing dishes, lol. Some horses wait expectantly for "what comes next" and some are just "quiet" and need a little urging with the rein to get to that next level.
And there is a big difference between lazy and defiant too. One that sulls up isn't necessarily lazy, IMO, just defiant. They are a whole other topic, lol.
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Location: MI | roanrider - 2014-04-21 5:16 PM
The colt in my video is for sale so I want to be very clear that what you see is a good minded colt paired with a talented colt starter, plain and simple. I'll skip the calming cookies (whatever that is ) and concentrate on building confident colts. Â
Hey Roanrider, is your colt starter here in MI? Can I ask who you used? I like the handle he has on him (and gorgeous colt by the way...can't show my daughter, she's been ogling (head over heels, lol) buckskins since we went down to Road to the Horse :).
I sent my 2yo to be started last year, got 60 days put on him. I knew that the right person would "make or break" him, he definitely could have gone south in the wrong hands. Long story short, he came home soft, pretty confident, and responded so nice. I rode him a bit over the summer, and then he's had mid-fall/winter off. Yes, he'll bear with me while I open a gate, lope circles well in an arena (less perfect in a pasture) moves off my leg well, stops, backs, turns on the forehand or hind. I can swing a rope on him, 'chase' a cow, pony another horse, starting on a headset. He's not perfect, but has a good start in these tasks. But best of all, I would say that he's pretty comfortable and confident being ridden. Knowing his mom and how he was as a colt, I am super excited with how he was started and although he's not nearly as polished as the buckskin above, I'm ok with it. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-04-21 6:29 PM NJJ - 2014-04-21 6:16 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-04-21 4:36 PM Itsme - 2014-04-22 3:15 PM So basically give a horse some calming cookies and everyone on here will fall all over themselves talking about how good the colt looks... Ill take mine with heart, spirit and the will to try! 
he/she commented that he/she hadn't even watched the video. To make a stupid comment, without watching the video, shows exactly what the comments are meant to do....stir the SH*T and show  ......... Are you going to cry to a mod again? For what is worth, the horse in the 2nd video doesnt show anymore promise than the horse in the 1st video.
For the record, I didn't cry to any mod about you.....they are certainly smart enough to see what you are all about without any help......show your a little more....... | |
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| Itsme - 2014-04-21 7:29 PM NJJ - 2014-04-21 6:16 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-04-21 4:36 PM Itsme - 2014-04-22 3:15 PM So basically give a horse some calming cookies and everyone on here will fall all over themselves talking about how good the colt looks... Ill take mine with heart, spirit and the will to try!
he/she commented that he/she hadn't even watched the video. To make a stupid comment, without watching the video, shows exactly what the comments are meant to do....stir the SH*T and show ......... Are you going to cry to a mod again? For what is worth, the horse in the 2nd video doesnt show anymore promise than the horse in the 1st video.
You have such a way with words, such a positive outlook. Thanks for that.... | |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | roanrider - 2014-04-21 8:36 PM
Itsme - 2014-04-21 7:29 PM NJJ - 2014-04-21 6:16 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-04-21 4:36 PM Itsme - 2014-04-22 3:15 PM So basically give a horse some calming cookies and everyone on here will fall all over themselves talking about how good the colt looks... Ill take mine with heart, spirit and the will to try!
he/she commented that he/she hadn't even watched the video. To make a stupid comment, without watching the video, shows exactly what the comments are meant to do....stir the SH*T and show ......... Are you going to cry to a mod again? For what is worth, the horse in the 2nd video doesnt show anymore promise than the horse in the 1st video.
I bet if she saw Scamper after his first 60 days she would have passed on him. | |
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Location: Arizona | rockette - 2014-04-21 9:30 PM
roanrider - 2014-04-21 8:36 PM
Itsme - 2014-04-21 7:29 PM NJJ - 2014-04-21 6:16 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-04-21 4:36 PM Itsme - 2014-04-22 3:15 PM So basically give a horse some calming cookies and everyone on here will fall all over themselves talking about how good the colt looks... Ill take mine with heart, spirit and the will to try!
he/she commented that he/she hadn't even watched the video. To make a stupid comment, without watching the video, shows exactly what the comments are meant to do....stir the SH*T and show ......... Are you going to cry to a mod again? For what is worth, the horse in the 2nd video doesnt show anymore promise than the horse in the 1st video.
I bet if she saw Scamper after his first 60 days she would have passed on him.
She could work on her grammar as well... | |
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| roanrider - 2014-04-21 8:36 PM
Itsme - 2014-04-21 7:29 PM NJJ - 2014-04-21 6:16 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-04-21 4:36 PM Itsme - 2014-04-22 3:15 PM So basically give a horse some calming cookies and everyone on here will fall all over themselves talking about how good the colt looks... Ill take mine with heart, spirit and the will to try!
he/she commented that he/she hadn't even watched the video. To make a stupid comment, without watching the video, shows exactly what the comments are meant to do....stir the SH*T and show ......... Are you going to cry to a mod again? For what is worth, the horse in the 2nd video doesnt show anymore promise than the horse in the 1st video.
I am sorry, you seem nice and I dont like being outspoken and or rude to nice people in fact if others on here were more tactful I wouldnt have posted a thing on this thread.
The way I see it is your horse has a good handle on him right now and is a nice horse no matter what, but I dont know a barrel horses potential until you add speed. Once you add speed you can see how smooth they can turn AKA fast around a barrel and then mix in overall speed with that and of course a great foundation and thats when I see true "potential". | |
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| MsDuchessGoTe - 2014-04-21 9:48 PM
rockette - 2014-04-21 9:30 PM
roanrider - 2014-04-21 8:36 PM
Itsme - 2014-04-21 7:29 PM NJJ - 2014-04-21 6:16 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-04-21 4:36 PM Itsme - 2014-04-22 3:15 PM So basically give a horse some calming cookies and everyone on here will fall all over themselves talking about how good the colt looks... Ill take mine with heart, spirit and the will to try!
he/she commented that he/she hadn't even watched the video. To make a stupid comment, without watching the video, shows exactly what the comments are meant to do....stir the SH*T and show ......... Are you going to cry to a mod again? For what is worth, the horse in the 2nd video doesnt show anymore promise than the horse in the 1st video.
I bet if she saw Scamper after his first 60 days she would have passed on him.
She could work on her grammar as well...
And now we have the grammar police...How cute! 
Why wouldnt I like Scamper? Have you read my position on this or are you just guessing? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Seems to me that this thread has drifted off topic a bit. | |
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Location: MD | I don't want nearly as much polish on one as many might in 60 days. I want them moving forward willingly in a relaxed manner. I want them to walk, trot, lope, pick up leads easily, with balanced transitions. They should be VERY soft. I want them yielding to my inside rein, isolating body parts and moving laterally to a degree consistent with their physical abilities at that point in their development.
This video is about somewhere right about the 60-70 day mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L07jNHv_mA | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WrapSnap - 2014-04-21 10:41 PM I don't want nearly as much polish on one as many might in 60 days. I want them moving forward willingly in a relaxed manner. I want them to walk, trot, lope, pick up leads easily, with balanced transitions. They should be VERY soft. I want them yielding to my inside rein, isolating body parts and moving laterally to a degree consistent with their physical abilities at that point in their development. This video is about somewhere right about the 60-70 day mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L07jNHv_mA
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| Oh WrapSnap, theyre supposed to be two tracking by 70 days... | |
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Location: Arizona | Itsme - 2014-04-21 10:01 PM
MsDuchessGoTe - 2014-04-21 9:48 PM
rockette - 2014-04-21 9:30 PM
roanrider - 2014-04-21 8:36 PM
Itsme - 2014-04-21 7:29 PM NJJ - 2014-04-21 6:16 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-04-21 4:36 PM Itsme - 2014-04-22 3:15 PM So basically give a horse some calming cookies and everyone on here will fall all over themselves talking about how good the colt looks... Ill take mine with heart, spirit and the will to try!
he/she commented that he/she hadn't even watched the video. To make a stupid comment, without watching the video, shows exactly what the comments are meant to do....stir the SH*T and show ......... Are you going to cry to a mod again? For what is worth, the horse in the 2nd video doesnt show anymore promise than the horse in the 1st video.
I bet if she saw Scamper after his first 60 days she would have passed on him.
She could work on her grammar as well...
And now we have the grammar police...How cute!
Why wouldnt I like Scamper? Have you read my position on this or are you just guessing?
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | WrapSnap - 2014-04-21 10:41 PM
I don't want nearly as much polish on one as many might in 60 days. I want them moving forward willingly in a relaxed manner. I want them to walk, trot, lope, pick up leads easily, with balanced transitions. They should be VERY soft. I want them yielding to my inside rein, isolating body parts and moving laterally to a degree consistent with their physical abilities at that point in their development.
This video is about somewhere right about the 60-70 day mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L07jNHv_mA
WrapSnap, what is with the tie down or is that something else. I don't want to start something else on this thread but I would start on the headset. That horse is really a nice mover and tracks great, the head needs to come down though. Loved the transition up, good work. That is a good looking horse! | |
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| I really enjoy seeing everyone's videos of their colts. Hugely appreciate those who are willing to post it so we can all view and get different ideas.
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Location: ND | I'm a bit late joining in here but it's been interesting reading everyones comments on this. Here's a video of one of my last outside colts I started. (I retired from breaking for other people a couple years ago & just start my own now) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJoohNes1ZE
When he got here he was a halter broke 3 year old & this video was somewhere between 45-60 days training, I don't remember exactly anymore. With my outside horses I ask for quite a bit more than I do my own. If I'm training someone elses my goal by 60 days is that the colt is out of the roundpen & does not require any lunging or ground work before getting on, they ride off quietly across the pasture & have likely been through the cattle a few times. I want them to walk, trot & lope a nice quiet circle out in the open, nice light stop & backing relaxed, move both their hips & shoulders & a little bit of lateral work. I might even start working on simple lead changes. But it all depends on the individual, some come along very slowly & others progress much faster.
With my own I start them at 2 and put about 10-20 rides on them. I want walk, trot, lope, stop & back in the roundpen & for them to be soft in the bridle. Then outside of the roundpen I want to be able to walk & trot around the little pasture behind my barn & trot a relaxed circle. When they get to this point I let them be done for the year & training starts again as a 3 year old.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-21 11:27 PM Seems to me that this thread has drifted off topic a bit.
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | SaraJean - 2014-04-22 10:31 AM
I'm a bit late joining in here but it's been interesting reading everyones comments on this. Here's a video of one of my last outside colts I started. (I retired from breaking for other people a couple years ago & just start my own now) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJoohNes1ZEWhen he got here he was a halter broke 3 year old & this video was somewhere between 45-60 days training, I don't remember exactly anymore. With my outside horses I ask for quite a bit more than I do my own. If I'm training someone elses my goal by 60 days is that the colt is out of the roundpen & does not require any lunging or ground work before getting on, they ride off quietly across the pasture & have likely been through the cattle a few times. I want them to walk, trot & lope a nice quiet circle out in the open, nice light stop & backing relaxed, move both their hips & shoulders & a little bit of lateral work. I might even start working on simple lead changes. But it all depends on the individual, some come along very slowly & others progress much faster.
With my own I start them at 2 and put about 10-20 rides on them. I want walk, trot, lope, stop & back in the roundpen & for them to be soft in the bridle. Then outside of the roundpen I want to be able to walk & trot around the little pasture behind my barn & trot a relaxed circle. When they get to this point I let them be done for the year & training starts again as a 3 year old.Â
Beautifully done. That's a good looking horse and you look like a wonderful soft hand. I think the horse looks relaxed and confident yet compliant. Well done! | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Â Back to the original topic... Â This is my (then) 3 year old after 30 days at the trainer, not 30 rides. Â I like waiting until 3 because they're more mentally and physically mature and can do more. She stayed another 30 days and I was super happy with her when she came home--she was more confident, more forward, and had lateral buttons by then. Â I rode her into the fall and then turned her out for 6 months. Â She came back right where I left her. I left another 3 year old with him last week. Â http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tTnAyiJ3L7o | |
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