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musikmaker - 2015-04-11 2:01 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 2:16 PM NJJ - 2015-04-11 12:18 PM EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.Â
You are breaking the law, if:Â
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to youÂ
What is so hard to understand about that?!Â
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us....  Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario!
 I don't agree. I don't care if he spread eagle and gave up, fell off the horse etc he made a choice a long long time before that when he broke the law by running from police. Then he made a choice to steal the motor cycle. Then he made a choice to steal the horse. It wasn't until he finally got cornered that he finally gave up by that time he had broken several laws not to mention what ever law made the cops look for him in the first place ( identity theft ). So him laying down on the desert floor spread eagle was the end. Maybe had he made better choices from the very beginning and spread eagle when the cops showed up he wouldn't have got his just consequences.
BTW...a policeman's 'peace' can't be disturbed.Â
Not at all. What I'm saying is, if you make choices that get you in trouble , MAN UP to the consequences! Get arrested and go get your free trial, free lawyer, and jury by your peers. If you make choices to run and involve the public and other people's property , be prepared to get whooped when you get caught !
Really!! What law are you quoting? Where is it written in any law that gives ANY officer the right to Punish anyone. We once went to WAR with a King over that vary issue. |
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| This will be my last post on this topic. lol Everyone has their opinion on what happened. THis is how it could have been avoided,
Cop knocks on door of suspect " Mr._______, this is the police department, We have a warrant out for your arrest for the crime of Identity theft"
Suspect: " Yes sir, that's me"
Cop " Place your hands behind your back your under arrest" cops cuff suspect and place him in squad car.
" You have the right to remain silent__________________________________________"
Suspect is booked, calls attorney, suspect gets a fair trial by his peers.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Remove the theft and possible abuse of a horse from this and we'd hear very different opinions on this forum ( I hope?!). Regardless...it's not ok for cops to beat the sh** of of anyone. When they do they aren't any better than the perp. They become criminals at that point.
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| Anniemae - 2015-04-11 2:53 PM
Full of Beans - 2015-04-11 2:47 PM I am headed outside to ride, but watch this link. It shows a different perspective on this incident. Leave it to CNN to edit on the side of the criminal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmIEqu9ihfs
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I was referring to the OP's original post. Her link was to a CNN version of the actual broadcast. In my opinion, it was a totally different slant. Sure would love to hear how this whole thing unfolded from a non-biased source. |
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| I have to say though, I am about fed up with all these police brutality videos. I will not argue that excessive force isn't used by some cops who get carried away, but I know it isn't the norm out of the thousands of calls that law enforcement respond to daily. From what I could tell, the suspect was not complying. Look closely. The first cop who tazed him and then sat on him was struggling with him. Can't get a super clear view of it but it looks that way to me. Actual audio of the event from the ground sure would clear a lot of the hearsay up. I find it ironic that many people on this forum will argue until the cows come home on the lunacy of a PETA or SHARK video, yet can't see that some of these police videos can be slanted to look bad for the cops. Do any of us know the story behind this video or how it got to where it was at? Nope. I know someone personally who lives in the neighborhood where this guy was living. This guy and his buddies have been stealing, doing drugs, and shooting neighborhood dogs for quite some time. When confronted by law enforcement, this guy ran, and through tougher terrain. I would have been pizzed. Knowing this piece of the story gave me a little more knowledge, but I still don't know the whole story. I will say that I have let my emotions get the best of me in situations in my life that I am not proud of. Doesn't mean I shouldn't be a mother, wife, ride horses, etc.
Edited to add: That horse rocks! My mare would have been in the next county before they caught her with all that going on.lol
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 7:47 PM Firemanswife - 2015-04-10 5:11 PM Here is my other questions. 1. How did he get the horse? She he shove the rider off? 2. How would you feel if it was your horse he stole? And injured? He car jacked the horse from what our news said. Took from a rider who was on a trail ride.
And its a felony to steal a horse in california but that would be the least of his worries if it was my horse
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Location: Texas!! | Full of Beans - 2015-04-11 11:18 PM
Anniemae - 2015-04-11 2:53 PM
Full of Beans - 2015-04-11 2:47 PM I am headed outside to ride, but watch this link. It shows a different perspective on this incident. Leave it to CNN to edit on the side of the criminal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmIEqu9ihfs
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I was referring to the OP's original post. Her link was to a CNN version of the actual broadcast. In my opinion, it was a totally different slant. Sure would love to hear how this whole thing unfolded from a non-biased source.
Oh my gosh! He was sure hard on that horse! It looked like the horse hurt it's back leg, does anyone know how it's doing? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I haven't read this entire thread, but I watched the video, and it speaks for itself. This is not an example of some isolated rogue or deranged cop. This is a gang beating. What I find most disturbing is that this sort of thing is not new. The Jack-booted Nazi brown shirts did it in 1938. The SS recruited Jews to do this kind of thing to fellow Jews in 1941.....those were called pogroms, and if you watch films from that era, you can see how these guys were engaged in a gang beating, just like the Nazi's did. First, 1 or 2 cops took this guy down......and then the frenzy began, and before it was over, a dozen cops came running to get in on the pummeling. It was like a pack of wolves or hyenas drawn in to rip apart a carcass. All I can do is shake my head when someone tries to rationalize this insanity.
This tells me one thing. If you don't think a "police state" is possible in this country, then you are incredibly naive. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2015-04-12 11:28 AM I haven't read this entire thread, but I watched the video, and it speaks for itself. This is not an example of some isolated rogue or deranged cop. This is a gang beating. What I find most disturbing is that this sort of thing is not new. The Jack-booted Nazi brown shirts did it in 1938. The SS recruited Jews to do this kind of thing to fellow Jews in 1941.....those were called pogroms, and if you watch films from that era, you can see how these guys were engaged in a gang beating, just like the Nazi's did. First, 1 or 2 cops took this guy down......and then the frenzy began, and before it was over, a dozen cops came running to get in on the pummeling. It was like a pack of wolves or hyenas drawn in to rip apart a carcass. All I can do is shake my head when someone tries to rationalize this insanity. This tells me one thing. If you don't think a "police state" is possible in this country, then you are incredibly naive.
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Location: SE Missouri | Herbie - 2015-04-10 11:56 AM
I'd really like to own that horse....that is one good sucker!  As for the dude, that's much better treatment than horse thieves (or any kind of thieves for that matter) used to receive when caught.Â
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | aqhabarrelchic1 - 2015-04-12 12:15 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 7:47 PM Firemanswife - 2015-04-10 5:11 PM Here is my other questions. 1. How did he get the horse? She he shove the rider off? 2. How would you feel if it was your horse he stole? And injured? He car jacked the horse from what our news said. Took from a rider who was on a trail ride. Â
So, I guess a gang of cops ought to have some discretion. I guess that would lighten the load on our courts. Let a gang of thugs with badges and billy clubs arrest people suspected of crimes and just beat the he!! out of them. Vigilante justice will be reborn. Mob rule will replace due process.
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| Crime is at its lowest point since 1967 I believe and these guys are running around like its Baghdad. |
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| Bear - 2015-04-13 9:28 AM I haven't read this entire thread, but I watched the video, and it speaks for itself. This is not an example of some isolated rogue or deranged cop. This is a gang beating. What I find most disturbing is that this sort of thing is not new. The Jack-booted Nazi brown shirts did it in 1938. The SS recruited Jews to do this kind of thing to fellow Jews in 1941.....those were called pogroms, and if you watch films from that era, you can see how these guys were engaged in a gang beating, just like the Nazi's did. First, 1 or 2 cops took this guy down......and then the frenzy began, and before it was over, a dozen cops came running to get in on the pummeling. It was like a pack of wolves or hyenas drawn in to rip apart a carcass. All I can do is shake my head when someone tries to rationalize this insanity. This tells me one thing. If you don't think a "police state" is possible in this country, then you are incredibly naive.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 3:16 PM
NJJ - 2015-04-11 12:18 PM
EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.Â
You are breaking the law, if:Â
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to youÂ
What is so hard to understand about that?!Â
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us....  Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario! Â
I don't agree. I don't care if he spread eagle and gave up, fell off the horse etc he made a choice a long long time before that when he broke the law by running from police. Then he made a choice to steal the motor cycle. Then he made a choice to steal the horse. It wasn't until he finally got cornered that he finally gave up by that time he had broken several laws not to mention what ever law made the cops look for him in the first place ( identity theft ). So him laying down on the desert floor spread eagle was the end. Maybe had he made better choices from the very beginning and spread eagle when the cops showed up he wouldn't have got his just consequences.
"Just consequences"? Congratulations......you have just been awarded an honorary doctorate from Arayan Nation University of America....A.N.U.S. |
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| Bear - 2015-04-12 5:48 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 3:16 PM NJJ - 2015-04-11 12:18 PM EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.
You are breaking the law, if:
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to you
What is so hard to understand about that?!
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us.... Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario!
I don't agree. I don't care if he spread eagle and gave up, fell off the horse etc he made a choice a long long time before that when he broke the law by running from police. Then he made a choice to steal the motor cycle. Then he made a choice to steal the horse. It wasn't until he finally got cornered that he finally gave up by that time he had broken several laws not to mention what ever law made the cops look for him in the first place ( identity theft ). So him laying down on the desert floor spread eagle was the end. Maybe had he made better choices from the very beginning and spread eagle when the cops showed up he wouldn't have got his just consequences. "Just consequences"? Congratulations......you have just been awarded an honorary doctorate from Arayan Nation University of America....A.N.U.S.
Regardless of all the poor choices this creep made that led to the chase and his arrest, at some point the police have to control their emotions and behave better than the criminals. The ones with the badges are suppose to set the example not lower themselves to the same level as the criminals. |
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| The sad part is after the sheriff's lack of judgment on this. He will more than likely get a slap on the hand and a really big check from the county. |
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Location: So. California | jbhoot - 2015-04-12 4:33 PM
The sad part is after the sheriff's lack of judgment on this. He will more than likely get a slap on the hand and a really big check from the county.
Please explain the "sheriff's lack of judgement... "
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| Anniemae - 2015-04-12 6:39 PM
jbhoot - 2015-04-12 4:33 PM
The sad part is after the sheriff's lack of judgment on this. He will more than likely get a slap on the hand and a really big check from the county.
Please explain the "sheriff's lack of judgement... "
If you can not see their lack of judgment I really can't explain it to you. It is pretty darn clear they went beyond reasonable force in the handling of the subject. It really makes no difference what he did they went to far. |
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| I don't get how we are even arguing over this.
What if this crime happened by one of our sons hopped up on an illegal drug? What if, unfortunately your kid gets handed some rotten drug and they freak out and go and do something as stupid as this guy....would you still think this kind of gang style beating is acceptable? I thought about this all day and I think the ONLY time I would applaud this behavior from the cops were if the criminal stole someone's CHILD. HUMAN BABY.... that would probably be the only thing I could see where a cop might not be able to restrain himself. |
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Location: Texas | Bear - 2015-04-12 11:28 AM
I haven't read this entire thread, but I watched the video, and it speaks for itself. This is not an example of some isolated rogue or deranged cop. This is a gang beating. What I find most disturbing is that this sort of thing is not new. The Jack-booted Nazi brown shirts did it in 1938. The SS recruited Jews to do this kind of thing to fellow Jews in 1941.....those were called pogroms, and if you watch films from that era, you can see how these guys were engaged in a gang beating, just like the Nazi's did. First, 1 or 2 cops took this guy down......and then the frenzy began, and before it was over, a dozen cops came running to get in on the pummeling. It was like a pack of wolves or hyenas drawn in to rip apart a carcass. All I can do is shake my head when someone tries to rationalize this insanity.
This tells me one thing. If you don't think a "police state" is possible in this country, then you are incredibly naive.
I totally agree with this... The problem here is much deeper than what we see in this video. If we start allowing our "peace officers" to act like this, then we are setting ourselves up for LOTS of trouble in the future. If you think that a police state can't happen in America... think again. Look what our government has become. The police state is one of the next steps. It's sad, no matter what side you're on. This wasn't a beating for justice, it was a beating for revenge. It's a shame that none of those officers took control and stopped that situation. Personally, those guys aren't the sharpest tools in the shed anyway. There was a helicopter with a camera filming everything.
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