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I think it's funny to see all the posts about the horse needs to be sentenced to death because she reared up... Any good horse can be pushed to the point of rearing up! OP, You can't think that a couple weeks of slow work will fix this horse and you can come in mock9 and make a flawless run. She reared because you were in her face, your hands are heavy, not a bad thing but something you need to pay attention to.
Like 20 other people have posted... SLOW her down. That means in her runs too, she may think she wants to run fast but you need to be in control and slow her roll! I wouldn't let her move out of a lope for a while if she were mine, even during a competition run. The faster her feet move the slower her brain runs... She's a talented horse and looks like she is going to make a really nice horse, don't rush it! | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-12 3:51 PM I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back. Send her down the road. Take whatever you could get someone to give you for her. It's NOT worth it.
She shouldn't just get to live in your pasture? What if she's really sweet on the ground? That sounds much different than the rant that you just posted on another thread.... | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | streakysox - 2015-07-12 7:25 PM I am posting this video for a reason. Look at this nice filly as she works the barrels. This is a sale video because my trainer said get rid of her. My trainer is riding her and I am videoing. She is 4 years old and was on tack go to some futurities. WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU READ THE REST OF THE POST. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubG-PdDtlU She was started right. Looks good doesn't she? Working very nicely. She reared up with me and flipped. By the grace of God I was not hurt. I sent her to the killers because I knew she was going to hurt someone. Don't forget my trainer said get rid of her. I am smart enough to know when someone is trying to help me. Cut your losses before you get hurt. People are trying to tell help you here.
There are indications in that video that would tell me that she was stifle sore. Stifle sore horses will also get tired of being pounded on and rear when you ask them to back up. | |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-07-13 12:22 PM
streakysox - 2015-07-12 7:25 PM I am posting this video for a reason. Look at this nice filly as she works the barrels. This is a sale video because my trainer said get rid of her. My trainer is riding her and I am videoing. She is 4 years old and was on tack go to some futurities. WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU READ THE REST OF THE POST. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubG-PdDtlU She was started right. Looks good doesn't she? Working very nicely. She reared up with me and flipped. By the grace of God I was not hurt. I sent her to the killers because I knew she was going to hurt someone. Don't forget my trainer said get rid of her. I am smart enough to know when someone is trying to help me. Cut your losses before you get hurt. People are trying to tell help you here.
Plus, watching this video and the other one posted of just arena work-this horse looks hardly broke enough to be started on barrels/or sore. When asked to back it showed significant resistance. | |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-07-13 12:22 PM streakysox - 2015-07-12 7:25 PM I am posting this video for a reason. Look at this nice filly as she works the barrels. This is a sale video because my trainer said get rid of her. My trainer is riding her and I am videoing. She is 4 years old and was on tack go to some futurities. WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU READ THE REST OF THE POST. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubG-PdDtlU She was started right. Looks good doesn't she? Working very nicely. She reared up with me and flipped. By the grace of God I was not hurt. I sent her to the killers because I knew she was going to hurt someone. Don't forget my trainer said get rid of her. I am smart enough to know when someone is trying to help me. Cut your losses before you get hurt. People are trying to tell help you here.
I too thought the horse looked sore in the backend. She looked a bit scotchy. SS, did you have her checked by a good performance vet before sending her to the killer? I have a pasture ornament that moves exactly like yours but his stifle was a career-ending thing. He never became unruly but you could def feel him being off and just not wanting to collect anymore. His head would go skyhigh on 2nd and 3rd. It was such a dissapointment because before the injury he was so fun to run. He was only 6 when it happened. Got 1st, 2nd and 3rd opinions. Nothing made him better and to this day you can clearly see the injury when he trots in the field.  | |
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Location: sunny california | rachellyn80 - 2015-07-13 10:19 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-12 3:51 PM I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back. Send her down the road. Take whatever you could get someone to give you for her. It's NOT worth it. She shouldn't just get to live in your pasture? What if she's really sweet on the ground? That sounds much different than the rant that you just posted on another thread....
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Location: Texas | rachellyn80 - 2015-07-13 12:19 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-12 3:51 PM I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back. Send her down the road. Take whatever you could get someone to give you for her. It's NOT worth it. She shouldn't just get to live in your pasture? What if she's really sweet on the ground? That sounds much different than the rant that you just posted on another thread....
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| Try a dressage trainer ! Seriously .. I have a horse a lot like yours .. She was a runaway when she got going , but I have been having a dressage trainer ride her & you wouldn't believe the difference in her in just 2 weeks ! They are fixable .. It just depends how much time & money you want to put in them. I personally like your mare but I'd be getting help with her to get her right . | |
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I am posting this video for a reason. Look at this nice filly as she works the barrels. This is a sale video because my trainer said get rid of her. My trainer is riding her and I am videoing. She is 4 years old and was on tack go to some futurities. WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU READ THE REST OF THE POST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubG-PdDtlU
She was started right. Looks good doesn't she? Working very nicely. She reared up with me and flipped. By the grace of God I was not hurt. I sent her to the killers because I knew she was going to hurt someone. Don't forget my trainer said get rid of her. I am smart enough to know when someone is trying to help me. Cut your losses before you get hurt. People are trying to tell help you here.
So maybe if you felt she was going to hurt more people you should have had her humanly put down. Did you think maybe all the Facebook pages that try to save horses in kill pens would get her rehomed and someone may get killed?!?! SMH | |
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Location: The edge of no where | kwanatha - 2015-07-13 2:17 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-07-13 10:19 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-12 3:51 PM I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back. Send her down the road. Take whatever you could get someone to give you for her. It's NOT worth it. She shouldn't just get to live in your pasture? What if she's really sweet on the ground? That sounds much different than the rant that you just posted on another thread....
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I am not sending this mare to the kill pen, thank you for that input, however, that will not be happening.
I ride this mare daily in a snaffle and split reins and she works amazing. I took her on a three day trail ride though pastures and across creeks and through mud and she didn't blink an eye. Went exactly where I put her, when I asked, at a flat footed walk. She is not by any means crazy. Yes she can be hot, but I can lope the mare around an arena with no fence bareback and she works like an angel. She has never offered a buck or a rear any other time than when we were going in the gate that one time.
If this mare doesn't make a barrel horse for any reason I have a nice pasture where she will live and give me very nice babies and live a happy life as a trail horse and a broodmare.
She is not going to the kill pen.
Go back and look at my video. See how nice this filly works? She never offered to do anything. My trainer said get rid of her beçause she knew what was coming. I have had horses that actually were MY horses for 60 years. In that time I have sold about six. My horses all have jobs and work. They don't work, they get rehomed. As you can see they must work pretty well because there is not much turn over here. I am not going to get hurt on a horse, but I learned a long time ago that most of my friends have given me advice to help me and I have listened. My trainer knew this horse was volatile. I am just glad that she did not get hurt and neither did I.
Even if you send a horse to kill-so many people these days are rescuing horses from kill pens-and are selling as riding horses. If your intention is to have the horse destroyed-than why not euthanize yourself? Just a thought.
This is true and maybe a really good reason not to buy one from the kill pen. She was a very attractive horse. Had nice ground manners. Just not so nice when you rode her. I had about $4000 in training in her. All I will say is that I resolved my problem. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on. | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | streakysox - 2015-07-13 3:04 PM Blueridgedreaming - 2015-07-13 10:06 AM streakysox - 2015-07-13 2:33 AM LDH - 2015-07-13 12:44 AM I am not sending this mare to the kill pen, thank you for that input, however, that will not be happening. I ride this mare daily in a snaffle and split reins and she works amazing. I took her on a three day trail ride though pastures and across creeks and through mud and she didn't blink an eye. Went exactly where I put her, when I asked, at a flat footed walk. She is not by any means crazy. Yes she can be hot, but I can lope the mare around an arena with no fence bareback and she works like an angel. She has never offered a buck or a rear any other time than when we were going in the gate that one time. If this mare doesn't make a barrel horse for any reason I have a nice pasture where she will live and give me very nice babies and live a happy life as a trail horse and a broodmare. She is not going to the kill pen. Go back and look at my video. See how nice this filly works? She never offered to do anything. My trainer said get rid of her beçause she knew what was coming. I have had horses that actually were MY horses for 60 years. In that time I have sold about six. My horses all have jobs and work. They don't work, they get rehomed. As you can see they must work pretty well because there is not much turn over here. I am not going to get hurt on a horse, but I learned a long time ago that most of my friends have given me advice to help me and I have listened. My trainer knew this horse was volatile. I am just glad that she did not get hurt and neither did I. Even if you send a horse to kill-so many people these days are rescuing horses from kill pens-and are selling as riding horses. If your intention is to have the horse destroyed-than why not euthanize yourself? Just a thought. This is true and maybe a really good reason not to buy one from the kill pen. She was a very attractive horse. Had nice ground manners. Just not so nice when you rode her. I had about $4000 in training in her. All I will say is that I resolved my problem. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on.
...Or maybe an even better reason to euthanize rather than send them to Mexico. This is an incredibly calloused example of how some people can write off a horse and forget what they are now forced to endure.
Don't think that I'm anti-slaughter, because I'm not. Ultimately it's more humane than starvation, but this type of shipping is the worst. The supposed "responsible" horse owners, that should know better, sending a young healthy filly to her death to recoup the small fee that you can get for her by the pound is awful. That filly was incredibly uncomfortable in those videos and sentencing her to this for your own ignorance should be criminal. | |
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streakysox - 2015-07-13 3:04 PM Blueridgedreaming - 2015-07-13 10:06 AM streakysox - 2015-07-13 2:33 AM LDH - 2015-07-13 12:44 AM I am not sending this mare to the kill pen, thank you for that input, however, that will not be happening. I ride this mare daily in a snaffle and split reins and she works amazing. I took her on a three day trail ride though pastures and across creeks and through mud and she didn't blink an eye. Went exactly where I put her, when I asked, at a flat footed walk. She is not by any means crazy. Yes she can be hot, but I can lope the mare around an arena with no fence bareback and she works like an angel. She has never offered a buck or a rear any other time than when we were going in the gate that one time. If this mare doesn't make a barrel horse for any reason I have a nice pasture where she will live and give me very nice babies and live a happy life as a trail horse and a broodmare. She is not going to the kill pen. Go back and look at my video. See how nice this filly works? She never offered to do anything. My trainer said get rid of her beçause she knew what was coming. I have had horses that actually were MY horses for 60 years. In that time I have sold about six. My horses all have jobs and work. They don't work, they get rehomed. As you can see they must work pretty well because there is not much turn over here. I am not going to get hurt on a horse, but I learned a long time ago that most of my friends have given me advice to help me and I have listened. My trainer knew this horse was volatile. I am just glad that she did not get hurt and neither did I. Even if you send a horse to kill-so many people these days are rescuing horses from kill pens-and are selling as riding horses. If your intention is to have the horse destroyed-than why not euthanize yourself? Just a thought. This is true and maybe a really good reason not to buy one from the kill pen. She was a very attractive horse. Had nice ground manners. Just not so nice when you rode her. I had about $4000 in training in her. All I will say is that I resolved my problem. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on.
Don't think that I'm anti-slaughter, because I'm not. Ultimately it's more humane than starvation, but this type of shipping is the worst. Â The supposed "responsible" horse owners, that should know better, sending a young healthy filly to her death to recoup the small fee that you can get for her by the pound is awful. Â That filly was incredibly uncomfortable in those videos and sentencing her to this for your own ignorance should be criminal.
Yes you cut your losses and moved on and now someone else may get killed.
I am not anti slaughter at all. But fact is people do buy from kill pens. I just did and I Took a chance but when I brought him home it was with the intention if he was crazy or had major health issues if do the right thing and have HUMANLY put down as he became my responsibility as a horse owner not to let someone else have a problem. Fortunately I lucked out and he is a amazing OTTB | |
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| gunsmoke - 2015-07-13 3:27 PM
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streakysox - 2015-07-13 3:04 PM Blueridgedreaming - 2015-07-13 10:06 AM streakysox - 2015-07-13 2:33 AM LDH - 2015-07-13 12:44 AM I am not sending this mare to the kill pen, thank you for that input, however, that will not be happening. I ride this mare daily in a snaffle and split reins and she works amazing. I took her on a three day trail ride though pastures and across creeks and through mud and she didn't blink an eye. Went exactly where I put her, when I asked, at a flat footed walk. She is not by any means crazy. Yes she can be hot, but I can lope the mare around an arena with no fence bareback and she works like an angel. She has never offered a buck or a rear any other time than when we were going in the gate that one time. If this mare doesn't make a barrel horse for any reason I have a nice pasture where she will live and give me very nice babies and live a happy life as a trail horse and a broodmare. She is not going to the kill pen. Go back and look at my video. See how nice this filly works? She never offered to do anything. My trainer said get rid of her beçause she knew what was coming. I have had horses that actually were MY horses for 60 years. In that time I have sold about six. My horses all have jobs and work. They don't work, they get rehomed. As you can see they must work pretty well because there is not much turn over here. I am not going to get hurt on a horse, but I learned a long time ago that most of my friends have given me advice to help me and I have listened. My trainer knew this horse was volatile. I am just glad that she did not get hurt and neither did I. Even if you send a horse to kill-so many people these days are rescuing horses from kill pens-and are selling as riding horses. If your intention is to have the horse destroyed-than why not euthanize yourself? Just a thought. This is true and maybe a really good reason not to buy one from the kill pen. She was a very attractive horse. Had nice ground manners. Just not so nice when you rode her. I had about $4000 in training in her. All I will say is that I resolved my problem. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on.
Don't think that I'm anti-slaughter, because I'm not. Ultimately it's more humane than starvation, but this type of shipping is the worst. Â The supposed "responsible" horse owners, that should know better, sending a young healthy filly to her death to recoup the small fee that you can get for her by the pound is awful. Â That filly was incredibly uncomfortable in those videos and sentencing her to this for your own ignorance should be criminal.
Yes you cut your losses and moved on and now someone else may get killed.
I am not anti slaughter at all. But fact is people do buy from kill pens. I just did and I Took a chance but when I brought him home it was with the intention if he was crazy or had major health issues if do the right thing and have HUMANLY put down as he became my responsibility as a horse owner not to let someone else have a problem. Fortunately I lucked out and he is a amazing OTTB
Sorry folks, I did what I thought was the correct thing to do. I had some girl that wanted to buy her and fix her. She wanted me to go get the horse off the truck. I could have very easily run her through a sale and gotten way more than the $200 that I got for her. I have no control over who buys from a kill pen. | |
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I am not sending this mare to the kill pen, thank you for that input, however, that will not be happening.
I ride this mare daily in a snaffle and split reins and she works amazing. I took her on a three day trail ride though pastures and across creeks and through mud and she didn't blink an eye. Went exactly where I put her, when I asked, at a flat footed walk. She is not by any means crazy. Yes she can be hot, but I can lope the mare around an arena with no fence bareback and she works like an angel. She has never offered a buck or a rear any other time than when we were going in the gate that one time.
If this mare doesn't make a barrel horse for any reason I have a nice pasture where she will live and give me very nice babies and live a happy life as a trail horse and a broodmare.
She is not going to the kill pen.
Go back and look at my video. See how nice this filly works? She never offered to do anything. My trainer said get rid of her beçause she knew what was coming. I have had horses that actually were MY horses for 60 years. In that time I have sold about six. My horses all have jobs and work. They don't work, they get rehomed. As you can see they must work pretty well because there is not much turn over here. I am not going to get hurt on a horse, but I learned a long time ago that most of my friends have given me advice to help me and I have listened. My trainer knew this horse was volatile. I am just glad that she did not get hurt and neither did I.
Even if you send a horse to kill-so many people these days are rescuing horses from kill pens-and are selling as riding horses. If your intention is to have the horse destroyed-than why not euthanize yourself? Just a thought.
This is true and maybe a really good reason not to buy one from the kill pen. She was a very attractive horse. Had nice ground manners. Just not so nice when you rode her. I had about $4000 in training in her. All I will say is that I resolved my problem. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on.
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I don't believe I ever came back and made excuses...but the situation did need explaining so I did that. I fully admit that a lot of the problem is most likely me, I fully admit that the mare needs more slow work and I am ready and more than willing to do that.
If anyone else could get on this mare and run perfect patterns I may consider selling her to someone who can do her justice. However at this point, NO ONE has been able to run perfect patterns on her. I have had some of the best riders from up here run her, including one who is mentioned further down this thread for me to try, and while she does a little better, zip has ran to the fence with her and blown way off third, and tried to crash barrels. She has been better but not perfect. Which means as much as I have to work on, it's not 100% me. If it was I would probably sell her right now to someone who can do her justice, but because that isn't the case and I can't find anyone to run her well to market her, I will continue to work with her. Slowly and off barrels and doing everything from the ground up over. She really is a great horse. As much as people can disagree with me, I like her. And that's really all that matters.
She isn't going to a kill pen under any circumstances. She has great ground manners and great papers and like I said, I have a very nice pasture she can live in and give me wicked little babies.
I asked for advice on what to do to HELP the mare, and all of the helpful advice I have taken to heart and really appreciate and will be using. We are starting over completely with training and will try and see where we are in the spring when we will be attending a clinic by a professional. Depending on how that goes will decide the rest of her career. But I can assure everyone, the kill pen is not in this mares future.
Also, I will be having her stifles looked at. When she was down to Kathy Brown she didn't test sore on her stifles, but she hasn't ever liked backing up so those will be getting looked at soon.
Thank you to whoever mentioned that!
I appreciate the advice from everyone, I'm not ready to give up on this mare yet. People have given up on her countless times because they wern't willing to put the time into her she needed. I am willing to wait. I have another horse to run, I have no issues with waiting on something that could be good. I appreciate everyone's advice. I will reevaluate her for barrels next spring. Thanks again everyone. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think what a lot of people will tell you that, given the way she is now, probably nobody could ride her and make a decent run on her at this stage. Just throwing good riders on her back and hoping for good results won't prove much, and might even make matters worse. I would forget that approach. You mentioned that you have her entered in an upcoming big jackpot and then AFTERWARDS you are going to give her a break, then start from scratch. My question is why the need to run her in anything? Even if you can't find something else to ride, I wouldn't run her. Cut your losses for now and draw out. You have gotten a ton of advice, and basically the overwhelming opinion is both of you could benefit from some good, professional help. I think she is a talented mare...very talented, in fact. I think if you play your cards right this could wind up with a happy ending, rather than the disaster that so many feel looms ahead, if you continue to be refractory to learning. If it were me, I would put her away for a few months, minimum, and then send her away to a very good trainer....not some low bid local part timer...I'm talking a real excellent pro, probably one who will simply fix her and get her properly broke, with a nice handle. After that, I would get some help with riding her correctly.......starting even at a walk, because I have a feeling she's feeling your energy the minute you swing a leg over her. You can just see it. Take your time and don't take any shortcuts. If you take the easy way out or short change yourselves, the results could be tragic. If this takes a year, who cares? I think you are BOTH worth it. Nothing would be more fun to read about than to hear about a great outcome a year from now! | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2015-07-15 7:30 PM I think what a lot of people will tell you that, given the way she is now, probably nobody could ride her and make a decent run on her at this stage. Just throwing good riders on her back and hoping for good results won't prove much, and might even make matters worse. I would forget that approach. You mentioned that you have her entered in an upcoming big jackpot and then AFTERWARDS you are going to give her a break, then start from scratch. My question is why the need to run her in anything? Even if you can't find something else to ride, I wouldn't run her. Cut your losses for now and draw out. You have gotten a ton of advice, and basically the overwhelming opinion is both of you could benefit from some good, professional help. I think she is a talented mare...very talented, in fact. I think if you play your cards right this could wind up with a happy ending, rather than the disaster that so many feel looms ahead, if you continue to be refractory to learning. If it were me, I would put her away for a few months, minimum, and then send her away to a very good trainer....not some low bid local part timer...I'm talking a real excellent pro, probably one who will simply fix her and get her properly broke, with a nice handle. After that, I would get some help with riding her correctly.......starting even at a walk, because I have a feeling she's feeling your energy the minute you swing a leg over her. You can just see it. Take your time and don't take any shortcuts. If you take the easy way out or short change yourselves, the results could be tragic. If this takes a year, who cares? I think you are BOTH worth it. Nothing would be more fun to read about than to hear about a great outcome a year from now!
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