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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The good news is finally ISIS is getting the ass kicking they deserve by a nation that finally decided to step up.
I honestly believe if the world follows the lead of France, we can make huge strides with a lot of countries in the Middle East. They really only respect one thing....power. If I had my way we would quietly make plans (by MILITARY leaders) with France and England and for God's sake keep it totally quiet. Then I'd open up on about 20 select ISIS concentrations with everything we have over about 24-48 hours and turn them into glass. I'd use the media to mislead them, with misinformation, if anything. I think we just might hear thunderous applause from everywhere. At the same time, I think the UN would realize it's high time they step up and do what they're supposed to do since their inception. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ISIS is finally getting bombed by France while the US has been bombing empty buildings. How come France knows what and where to bomb and the US doesn't or the reality that our POTUS never wanted to bomb anything of importance? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2015-11-15 6:22 PM ISIS is finally getting bombed by France while the US has been bombing empty buildings. How come France knows what and where to bomb and the US doesn't or the reality that our POTUS never wanted to bomb anything of importance?
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Location: PNW | Gail - 2015-11-15 5:26 PM
Obama is not at war with radical Jihad but they are at war with him.
Where does that leave us?
Complacent and vulnerable. I look at Obama's policy as being the same as lying by omission. If he's not willing to fight them, he's obviously willing to see them succeed. That's a bit narrow, I know - but it's just the meat and potatoes of the thought. |
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| The talking heads on TV keep saying how coordinated this was. Perhaps.. maybe the acquisition of the weapons but the executions didn't require much coordination at all. . That is what makes this so terrifying. The sheer simplcity of attack. Hand out weapons and go kill.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Has anyone here actually read The Quran? I think it's time to learn a little more about my enemy. But .... I want an accurate translation. 
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-11-15 7:44 PM
Has anyone here actually read The Quran? I think it's time to learn a little more about my enemy. But .... I want an accurate translation.
I haven't read it myself, Komet, but I've learned a lot about it through relatives and friends who are Muslim. My principle source is my cousin, Dean. Dean immigrated to the U.S. with his large family from Lebanon when he was 6 years old in 1964 or 65. My grandfather helped them get here, legally. They were dirt poor. His Mother was 9 months pregnant and went into labor shortly after they arrived. None of the family could speak a word of English. They had a great uncle who owned a gas station/ diner on the outskirts of Rolla, ND, my hometown, about 10 miles from Canada. The family, which included 6 kids, lived in a very small 2 bedroom above the gas station. They had the advantage of a lot of caring Arab Americans who lived in the area, as well as a community that opened their arms to them. Very quickly they adapted to America and our traditions, including Christmas, believe it or not. They learned English very quickly. Everyone worked very hard. The kids all got jobs as early as possible, starting with paper routes. Even the 3 girls were forced to deliver papers, because the father, Ahmed, felt it was the best way for them to learn proficiency in English conversation.
The kids quickly became quite popular with their classmates. They all played sports and excelled, but they still had to work and save money. We celebrated Christmas, and often they joined us on Christmas Eve and Day. I knew even back then that Jesus is very highly regarded, devinely inspired, and emmaculately conceived. It is believed that he is seated at the right hand of God and that he will judge us. Those kids all grauated at or near the top of their class. Dean was all state in football and baseball. They all grew up and were married to Muslims. They all went to college and branched off to have very successful careers....BOTH the men and women. Dean, went to Gerorge Washington U Law school in Washington DC. He worked for a firm in NY and later worked as an attorney for the Royal family in Dubai. He also worked as a consultant in the oil industry and is now a very successful executive for a company that specializes in horizontal drilling, headquartered in Houston. Let me tell you if you met Dean, his lovely wife, Ameney, or any of their kids there is now way you wouldn't like them. They are wealthy, and very generous people. Charity is considered a very important virtue in this family, and they attribute it to their faith, as well as their family and ND roots. They don't flash it or flaunt it either.
I have a little table that compares and contrasts Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I'll see if I can post it. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Shoot....couldn't download it. Well, all three religions were built on essentially the same moral and even traditional foundations. Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all have the exact same Old Testament in common.
The Old Testament is said to form the basic historical/traditional framework for all three. One big difference is that Judaism basically considers Jesus to be a mortal figure and one of many who falsely claimed to be The Messiah. To a large extent, Christianity builds on the teachings of Judaism, but not visa-versa. Islam teaches a deep abiding reverence regarding Jesus and Mary and the "purity of their origins". Islam does not believe that Jesus died on the cross. It's interesting that we all refer to our Judeo-Christian values, yet Jesus is not at all highly regarded by Judaism, as far as I know. Jews have several principle prophets.....Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, etc.... Obviously our principle Prophet is Jesus. Mohammed to the Muslims was their principle prophet, but he was otherwise considered to be a mere mortal man with no devine attributes. He performed no miracles.
I'll stop there.
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Location: Where I am happiest | You can google the Quran. You can either access the whole thing, or access the readers digest version with the key bullet points of belief. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-11-15 9:23 PM
Thank you Doc....
No problem. I should also add that Dean probably knows our Bible better than most of us. He actually has a great deal of love and respect for Chrustians. He can quote verses from both the Old and New Testament. He does it because he believes in the message. He despises anti-Semitism as well.....surprising, I have to say. He is a very tough man, but I know a lot of the stereotypes and generalizations disturb him a great deal, but he says that the only way to survive this is to not react and develop a thick skin.
Maybe that partly explains the perception that Moderates aren't speaking out enough.
Muslims who are moderate call both Jews and Christians "people of the book", a term that connotes admiration and respect. I think, and I hope all religious faiths will one day realize we have to learn to respect one another.
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| Gail - 2015-11-15 7:26 PM
Obama is not at war with radical Jihad but they are at war with him. Radical Islam is the cancer ruining humanity.
No, ****lam is the cancer that has been trying to destroy human civilization for 1,400 years. There is no moderate ****lam. There is no radical ****lam. There is just ****lam. And it is pure evil. It's a barbaric, totaltarian government that wants to domitate the world with it's shariah BS. It is NOT a religion. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-15 9:44 PM
The refugees are here..they dont look hungry
They are not refugees. They are invaders, commiting jihad through hijrah. |
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| Bear - 2015-11-15 9:42 PM
komet. - 2015-11-15 9:23 PM
Thank you Doc....
No problem. I should also add that Dean probably knows our Bible better than most of us. He actually has a great deal of love and respect for Chrustians. He can quote verses from both the Old and New Testament. He does it because he believes in the message. He despises anti-Semitism as well.....surprising, I have to say. He is a very tough man, but I know a lot of the stereotypes and generalizations disturb him a great deal, but he says that the only way to survive this is to not react and develop a thick skin.
Maybe that partly explains the perception that Moderates aren't speaking out enough.
Muslims who are moderate call both Jews and Christians "people of the book", a term that connotes admiration and respect. I think, and I hope all religious faiths will one day realize we have to learn to respect one another.
I know I sound like a Pollyanna.
No, you sound like an ignorant fool. There are no moderates and none of them have any qualms about killing the "people of the book." |
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| Bear - 2015-11-15 8:34 PM
Shoot....couldn't download it. Well, all three religions were built on essentially the same moral and even traditional foundations. Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all have the exact same Old Testament in common.
The Old Testament is said to form the basic historical/traditional framework for all three. One big difference is that Judaism basically considers Jesus to be a mortal figure and one of many who falsely claimed to be The Messiah. To a large extent, Christianity builds on the teachings of Judaism, but not visa-versa. Islam teaches a deep abiding reverence regarding Jesus and Mary and the "purity of their origins". Islam does not believe that Jesus died on the cross. It's interesting that we all refer to our Judeo-Christian values, yet Jesus is not at all highly regarded by Judaism, as far as I know. Jews have several principle prophets.....Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, etc.... Obviously our principle Prophet is Jesus. Mohammed to the Muslims was their principle prophet, but he was otherwise considered to be a mere mortal man with no devine attributes. He performed no miracles.
I'll stop there.
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| komet. - 2015-11-15 7:44 PM
Has anyone here actually read The Quran? I think it's time to learn a little more about my enemy. But .... I want an accurate translation.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=koran&go=Go |
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