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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
My thought too, I think they were terrorist. They didnt care who they killed... |
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Location: Florida.. | Apparently nieghbors saw middle eastern men coming and going alot.. that was on the news and they didnt say anything because they didnt want to be called Profilers.
offtopic but there is a Mosque sitting in my One red light town between here and a small city on a county road.. it was built about 6 years ago and has 8ft chainlink fence around it.locked and gated.. never have I seen anyone there or cars .. not daytime. morning. night .. never.. I often wonder whats in it..its mowed and thats it..
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Location: SE Louisiana | TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 4:15 PM
komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM
How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
well driller......
miner........
explosive engineer.....
magician.....
alaskan....
Pipe bombs? I didn't say explosives.... All of our armed forces have explosives... Why don't you go TROLL somewhere else?? |
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Location: Arkansas | Frodo - 2015-12-03 8:50 AM
Rudy Guiliani just expressed his opinion: "If you can't recognize this incident as terrorism then you're a moron." What a mean thing to say about the President.
Ok that made me snort thru my nose
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Location: TEXAS | One of the victims I read about....makes me so very sick to my stomach! His wife, his kids...I can't even imagine! 
Mike Wetzel, 37, of Lake Arrowhead, a rangy environmental health specialist with San Bernadino County who, according to the Los Angeles Times, loved children and coached both boys’ and girls’ soccer. He left behind six children, who appeared to range from teens to an infant. |
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| komet. - 2015-12-03 5:46 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 4:15 PM
komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM
How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
well driller......
miner........
explosive engineer.....
magician.....
alaskan....
Pipe bombs? I didn't say explosives.... All of our armed forces have explosives... Why don't you go TROLL somewhere else??
those would be explosives, Mr. Explosive Tech...oh wait.....i get it now....pipe bombs are to explosives, what work place violence is to radical religious terrorism
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Location: Kansas | Guess what. Two of the terrorists involved in the Paris attack were recruited from Syrian refugee camps in Hungary (ugly lookin' dudes). Question is were they terrorists disguised as refugees or refugees easily enticed into terrorism. Doesn't matter much.
Obama just keeps up his agenda to bring tens of thousands of these people to the U.S. and even yesterday said states have no right to reject them. |
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Location: Kansas | Another heads up, seems the "wife" involved in the California attack had pledged allegience to ISIS online.
Pres still clinging to "workplace violence" story.
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Location: Kansas | Phxbarrel - 2015-12-03 12:40 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 1:20 PM
we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick
This!
I live in Loma Linda and we are very accepting people.
The Islamic community which I am apart of (bash me if you want - everyone else does especially since I'm as white American as you get lol ) is completely distraught over the whole situation.
If he was radicalized - well, ISIS wants these radicalized people to attack Americans. They feed off of it. On Twitter they call for action. They call for these people "lions" to attack people...
Why? Because America attacks Syria and we kill a lot of their men, women, & a lot of children. In Isis' eyes it is payback. It's not senseless terrorism, it's a reaction to what is happening in the middle east.
The only reason I know this is because I pay attention to Twitter. I don't agree with it. The Islamic community wants peace. Heck, they/we are lucky if we are able to get the 5 prayers in a day lol.
This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Frodo - 2015-12-04 9:38 AM Another heads up, seems the "wife" involved in the California attack had pledged allegience to ISIS online.
Pres still clinging to "workplace violence" story.
Obama stated in his book that if the tides turned he would stick with his Muslim Brothers. He is and always has. He is good at jumping to conclusions when it comes to have anything to do with cops. He proved that when he first came into office and stayed true to his hate for them. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-04 8:35 AM
komet. - 2015-12-03 5:46 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 4:15 PM
komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM
How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
well driller......
miner........
explosive engineer.....
magician.....
alaskan....
Pipe bombs? I didn't say explosives.... All of our armed forces have explosives... Why don't you go TROLL somewhere else??
those would be explosives, Mr. Explosive Tech...oh wait.....i get it now....pipe bombs areto explosives, what work place violence is to radical religious terrorism
No... You don't get anything . None of the people in occupations you listed keep explosives in their cupboard. Certainly not in the form of pipe bombs. |
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Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2015-12-04 10:56 AM
Frodo - 2015-12-04 9:38 AM Another heads up, seems the "wife" involved in the California attack had pledged allegience to ISIS online.
Pres still clinging to "workplace violence" story.
Obama stated in his book that if the tides turned he would stick with his Muslim Brothers. He is and always has. He is good at jumping to conclusions when it comes to have anything to do with cops. He proved that when he first came into office and stayed true to his hate for them.
Cops and military. Do you know how often he visits our troops in foreign countries, a priority with other presidents. Never. Only when he vacations in Hawaii.....drops off at a local base for a photo op. |
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| komet. - 2015-12-04 11:37 AM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-04 8:35 AM
komet. - 2015-12-03 5:46 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 4:15 PM
komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM
How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
well driller......
miner........
explosive engineer.....
magician.....
alaskan....
Pipe bombs? I didn't say explosives.... All of our armed forces have explosives... Why don't you go TROLL somewhere else??
those would be explosives, Mr. Explosive Tech...oh wait.....i get it now....pipe bombs areto explosives, what work place violence is to radical religious terrorism
No... You don't get anything . None of the people in occupations you listed keep explosives in their cupboard. Certainly not in the form of pipe bombs.
you're not as smart as you think you are...you'd be surprised.... |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-12-04 10:04 AM Phxbarrel - 2015-12-03 12:40 PM TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 1:20 PM we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick This! I live in Loma Linda and we are very accepting people. The Islamic community which I am apart of (bash me if you want - everyone else does especially since I'm as white American as you get lol ) is completely distraught over the whole situation. If he was radicalized - well, ISIS wants these radicalized people to attack Americans. They feed off of it. On Twitter they call for action. They call for these people "lions" to attack people... Why? Because America attacks Syria and we kill a lot of their men, women, & a lot of children. In Isis' eyes it is payback. It's not senseless terrorism, it's a reaction to what is happening in the middle east. The only reason I know this is because I pay attention to Twitter. I don't agree with it. The Islamic community wants peace. Heck, they/we are lucky if we are able to get the 5 prayers in a day lol. This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence?
Maybe Donald Trump was onto something when he said go after their families because, even though the families were sent back to the Middle East before the 911 attack, they all knew it was coming and stayed complicit in this attack against the USA...they want their families to live, so they aren't all in 100% for the "cause" for the caliphate...jmo...edited for spelling
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The FBI is treating this as a terrorist attack.. |
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| So. It's interesting that we can investigate and perform surveillance without a warrant. LE can raid your home and literally kill you if you resist in any way. All because you voice your free speech rights in any manner that may incite violence. And any violence that was performed based on your comments will be directly attributable and charged against you.
Yet active involvement in association with racial religious propaganda does not affiliate the crime with that group.
So basically, if you think ISIS is right on in their beliefs and actions, and you get your inspiration from them, and subsequently act on it, they are still not associated with that activity??????????
How do any Americans buy into that logic???? |
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Location: That part of Texas | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-12-04 10:04 AM This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence?
They have -- they just aren't getting as much media play and attention as others are. |
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Location: Kansas | If you go to www.foxnews.com you can see a tour of the home. Interesting mix of diapers and ammo. Place looks pretty grungy. Good the baby is with her grandparents. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | HarlanLivesOn - 2015-12-04 10:04 AM
Phxbarrel - 2015-12-03 12:40 PM
TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 1:20 PM
we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick
This!
I live in Loma Linda and we are very accepting people.
The Islamic community which I am apart of (bash me if you want - everyone else does especially since I'm as white American as you get lol ) is completely distraught over the whole situation.
If he was radicalized - well, ISIS wants these radicalized people to attack Americans. They feed off of it. On Twitter they call for action. They call for these people "lions" to attack people...
Why? Because America attacks Syria and we kill a lot of their men, women, & a lot of children. In Isis' eyes it is payback. It's not senseless terrorism, it's a reaction to what is happening in the middle east.
The only reason I know this is because I pay attention to Twitter. I don't agree with it. The Islamic community wants peace. Heck, they/we are lucky if we are able to get the 5 prayers in a day lol.
This is something I am genuinely interested in, so please don't take offense to it; if Muslims here in the US are as outraged by this as you say, then why are no Islamic organizations coming out to condemn all of this violence?
In further reply to your question - they do!
Every Muslim I know is so ashamed of these people.
The Quran condemns killing people - even for religious reasons.
Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”
If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256)
But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”
There are more parts that I could quote, but these get the point across.
The Islamic Center of Loma Linda/Redlands is holding a vigil on Sunday for the victims as well. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | Also Im not sure how true this is, but one of my friends is saying that Ontario Mills Mall is on lockdown and that there is more suspected terrorism that will be under way.
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