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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-08 4:07 PM This is what it looks like
So you see it how I see it...but do they see it differently? I am so confused haha. Not that it really matters, I never really say anything super intelligent haha, they aren't missing much. |
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| Motivated, comic sans shows up as a hard to read font on some devices. Like a phone, for example.
ETA: Oh, forget it. I can't post the screen shot from my phone.
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Location: MD | MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 4:24 PM
hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-08 4:07 PM This is what it looks like
I see it the same way that y'all see it too ;) |
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| heidiinaz - 2015-12-08 4:18 PM I remember Brittnay Pozzi saying s few years back that it's been the same dirt for 20 plus years. I'm not a dirt expert but would it be very expensive to have the dirt changed out every year?
I guess they had the NFR dirt tested...and it didn't pass the test but he wont change it.
YES...I am saying that not only is the ground older than dirt, but apparently senile (sp?) too.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 4:27 PM heidiinaz - 2015-12-08 4:18 PM I remember Brittnay Pozzi saying s few years back that it's been the same dirt for 20 plus years. I'm not a dirt expert but would it be very expensive to have the dirt changed out every year?
I guess they had the NFR dirt tested...and it didn't pass the test but he wont change it.
YES...I am saying that not only is the ground older than dirt, but apparently senile (sp?) too.
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| Just Plain Lucky - 2015-12-08 4:25 PM
Motivated, comic sans shows up as a hard to read font on some devices. Like a phone, for example.
ETA: Oh, forget it. I can't post the screen shot from my phone.
No more Comic Sans...Only Courier New from now on :) |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-08 4:29 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 4:27 PM heidiinaz - 2015-12-08 4:18 PM I remember Brittnay Pozzi saying s few years back that it's been the same dirt for 20 plus years. I'm not a dirt expert but would it be very expensive to have the dirt changed out every year?
I guess they had the NFR dirt tested...and it didn't pass the test but he wont change it.
YES...I am saying that not only is the ground older than dirt, but apparently senile (sp?) too.
Well...this is copy and pasted because I am not a dirt expert...but there is another conversation going on...regarding the ground and the 'ground test' whatever that consists of.
The more the soil is worked, (hauled, spread, raked, etc.) the actual granules of dirt or smaller rocks break down into a fine sand that becomes less cohesive. The ruts you see is a result of that breakdown of the soil. They either need to replace the soil with a better gradation or add small rocks to make it more cohesive. Basically its like a sugar bowl. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 4:34 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-08 4:29 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 4:27 PM heidiinaz - 2015-12-08 4:18 PM I remember Brittnay Pozzi saying s few years back that it's been the same dirt for 20 plus years. I'm not a dirt expert but would it be very expensive to have the dirt changed out every year?
I guess they had the NFR dirt tested...and it didn't pass the test but he wont change it.
YES...I am saying that not only is the ground older than dirt, but apparently senile (sp?) too.
The more the soil is worked, (hauled, spread, raked, etc.) the actual granules of dirt or smaller rocks break down into a fine sand that becomes less cohesive. The ruts you see is a result of that breakdown of the soil. They either need to replace the soil with a better gradation or add small rocks to make it more cohesive. Basically its like a sugar bowl.
Thank you for that answer, but I thought dirt was just good old dirt, lol..
I know that they do keep up with how the dirt is for San Antiono, they say its a special dirt and they have been using it for years and years  |
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| So, this letter was sent to the Commissioner who I believe presented it to this Sean Davis guy...who turned down the offer.
Group Members - Please take a moment to read this letter. I hope everyone can pull it up. It's important!!!!!! This is a copy of the letter that was sent to ALL of the NFRC committee members. This letter was provided to all of the top 15 girls attending the NFR by the WPRA. The WPRA President specifically met with the NFRC committee in Colorado Springs about this offer and the ground conditions at the NFR this fall. The ground conditions at the NFR lays squarely on one set of shoulders because he has been given the power to say yes or no by the committee. He said NO to any new ground, he said no to any new implements. This is the time to stand together. We are at a critical time with the future of our sport. The equine athletes, contestants, and livestock at the NFR (and every rodeo for that matter) deserve better than someone who is more concerned about how the ground looks on tv than how safe it is for the people that work all year long to compete there.
Mr. Karl Stressman
PRCA Commissioner, NFRC Chairman
101 Pro Rodeo Drive
Colorado Springs, CO 80901
September 10, 2015
Re: Wrangler National Finals Rodeo Donation
Dear Mr. Stressman,
The purpose of this letter is to present Las Vegas Events with the timely and much-needed
opportunity to take an exciting and well-orchestrated event and create a world class production
for the sport of rodeo. This is being made possible by the very generous donation which will
require no publicity and will have “no strings attached”. Last year and in previous years, it was
evident that the arena ground failed to meet the higher standards expected by the caliber of
livestock and contestants performing during the ten day “Super Bowl” of professional rodeo.
This immediate need for ground improvement is a top priority issue and I ask you to PLEASE
give it your highest consideration – it will be a “win-win” step in the right direction for the
Wrangler National Finals Rodeo and will result in a much more positive atmosphere and safer
environment for all concerned.
With today’s technology and much improved arena implements readily available, why put the
livestock that is so valuable to contestants and stock contractors alike, at risk for injury?
At this time, I have proven soil (used the last three years at Spanish Fork, UT), a Black Widow
implement and a farm tractor available by donation if the WNFR personnel so choose to utilize
them. The soil and the Black Widow can remain there permanently if they meet the criteria,
however, the tractor would need to be returned at the conclusion of the WNFR. Again, this is
at NO cost and personnel would be available to educate any staff member if necessary. The
stature of the WNFR is so highly regarded across the United States that by adding proven
ground will only encourage other rodeos to follow your lead.
The ability of the livestock to perform at their highest level of potential would be greatly
enhanced by adding 1/3 to 1/2 of the new soil to the existing soil consistency. I am suggesting
that this proven, simple and cost-free process would insure that the proper footing foundation
would be in place, thus greatly reducing the injury factor to both animal and contestants.
Rodeo is always being critiqued by its current and future sponsors, audiences and contestants
– it must conform to today’s higher standards of safety and well-being for both the stock and
the performers. Please carefully consider the improved and high-tech arenas in which our
other athletes perform in today’s highly competitive sports world. Rodeo must make every
attempt to follow this lead, especially when this type of generous offer is on the table. It would
be a great asset for all concerned to be able to claim that the ground is always in top condition
– giving each contestant a safe and equal opportunity to showcase their skills.
I was raised on a ranch and it was instilled in me at a young age to always take the best care of
the stock and they would in turn take care of you. I still believe strongly in that philosophy
today. If we take the appropriate measures in providing the best for our equine and bovine
partners, it will close the door on the animal activists. If we choose to ignore this scenario, the
door will always remain open for conflict with these groups. Let’s just close the door!
These stock contractors and contestants have put in countless hours of hard work and
dedication, not to mention the monetary costs, to get to the grand stage of the NFR and they
deserve only the best for their efforts. Let their full potential shine in the spotlight and may the
best person/animal win on the grandest stage of rodeo.
If you or anyone else would like to discuss this donation, please feel to contact me anytime.
Kindest regards
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| Now you know about as much as I know.....This is copy and pasted because I couldnt get the screen shots to upload. From someone who is a former NFR qualifier and her friend who rodeos full time. Public post on FB, but many wont see because you would have to be friends...leaving names out of it for privacy.
there was a very generous offer on the table & Shawn declined this offer. There were multiple soil tests conducted @ different labs that came to the same conclusion -- insufficient ground for rodeo & barrel racing. Unfortunately no-one works with Shawn. The powers that be have made every effort possible to see the ground is at it's best for the WPRA. Shawn rules the WNFR & nothing will change under his leadership.
I hardly ever post and there is a reason for that!! Lol. However, I feel this issue is important enough to rattle some cages. Few things are more important than Tally. Additional post on ground issues at the NFR: wpra and prca apparently have done all they can. Las Vegas Events hired Shawn Davis as producer of NFR. He has the final say in everything. He owns the ground and is paid dearly for it. He was presented with a letter from some individuals saying the ground was unsafe and that they would provide new dirt and equipment given permission to do so to benefit all of the contestants. Free!!!! He said no. His dirt is 30 years old and worn out. It has been actually tested and didn't pass. Apparently the top 15 were provided copies of this letter in case anyone thinks I'm delusional. So, all of you out there at the finals, if you see Shawn Davis, feel free to unload on him.
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | That's just ridiculous that he would decline that offer... |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Why decline that good of an offer?? Wow. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Go to the FB page and comment on the story about him (Shawn Davis) and his award ......
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Location: Where it isn’t cold! | IRunOnFaith - 2015-12-08 3:07 PM
Why decline that good of an offer?? Wow.
I could be wrong, but most likely because he wouldn't get paid for it and it's my understanding he gets paid pretty well for " his " dirt. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Shorty 2 - 2015-12-08 5:10 PM IRunOnFaith - 2015-12-08 3:07 PM Why decline that good of an offer?? Wow. I could be wrong, but most likely because he wouldn't get paid for it and it's my understanding he gets paid pretty well for " his " dirt.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | IRunOnFaith - 2015-12-08 5:39 PM Where is the story? Not sure where to comment.
It is now about 6 stories down....showing him with a plaque.....
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Location: MD | All I could think last night was that we should strap the Mayor of Las Vegas onto the back of one of them suckers and see if he still think Shawn Davis is doing such an amazing job! |
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| too bad, sorry for rodeo people. we should boycott.
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