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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | bennie1 - 2016-01-28 12:20 PM
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bennie1 - 2016-01-28 11:50 AM
Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?
And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
You don't need papers for a rope horse.
No you don't. But it decreases the value of a foal exponentially. You know that. It would be a really stupid move to 'steal' the semen considering all that it takes in training etc. to make a winning rope horse and you wouldn't be able to sell on bloodlines
The "thief" didn't pay for anything except putting the semen into the mare. If they are thieves why would they care about papers and retail price when they didn't pay anything for the semen or the stud fee? |
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| OregonBR - 2016-01-28 2:27 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 12:20 PM
OregonBR - 2016-01-28 2:18 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 11:50 AM
Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?
And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
You don't need papers for a rope horse.
No you don't. But it decreases the value of a foal exponentially. You know that. It would be a really stupid move to 'steal' the semen considering all that it takes in training etc. to make a winning rope horse and you wouldn't be able to sell on bloodlines
The "thief" didn't pay for anything except putting the semen into the mare. If they are thieves why would they care about papers and retail price when they didn't pay anything for the semen or the stud fee?
I'm still not buying it. I thought thieves stole things of value. But hey, thieves are rarely geniuses. I guess it could be an aspiring roper who is just in need of that great horse out of whatever mare he had cycling at the right moment, and in 5 or 6 years he'll know if it worked |
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Location: Grandfield, OK | To clear up a few things, in the beginning I contacted the vet, they said they didn't collect the yellow stud that day and there was no possible way. I got the DNA test back and proved it was Can't Bully This Guy as sire. They then admitted it was indeed their fault. He said he wanted receipts on charges to get the foal here. I told him I purchased the foal at 10 days old. I didn't hear from him for nearly a year. I tried several times to see if he had come to an agreement. When I threatened to go oublic, he turned it over to his insurance company. That was almost 10 months later. So I believe I have been plenty patient. I want no drama nor do I like to conduct business this way. I would like to have some sort of settlement so I will know what to do with the colt before he is too old. I have never been in any type of precadiment like this before so this is all new to me. If it were our fault, I would make my ammends whatever it may be and go on. |
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Location: Windoming | VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:27 PM Love it! "I'm thinking the vet did". "I'm thinking" is aka I assume. You know what that will get ya.
k, I give. Who else might have done it????? |
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| VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:27 PM
Love it! "I'm thinking the vet did". "I'm thinking" is aka I assume. You know what that will get ya.
It's obvious the wrong semen was sent. Can you not see that? |
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Location: West Texas | I don't believe anyone knowingly stole Vegas Resorts semen to inseminate a mare and hopefully get a good rope horse, 6 years down the line. That is absurd. Be way easier, less dangerous, and just a smidge cheaper to buy a breeding to Vegas Resort. Then you would even get a registered horse that would in turn, actually make the process cheaper to buy the semen than steal it. Surely, no one here is being serious about that.
It is pretty obvious what happened. Some time between collection and insemination, "someone" made an honest mistake and the result is the offspring that doesn't match the breeders report, can't be registered unless the stallion owner participates, and is not contractually what was supposed to happen. The one on the hook, is the person that was responsible for collection and shipping the semen. That is really the only way to look at it. Is anyone claiming anything different? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Tdove - 2016-01-28 2:44 PM I don't believe anyone knowingly stole Vegas Resorts semen to inseminate a mare and hopefully get a good rope horse, 6 years down the line. That is absurd. Be way easier, less dangerous, and just a smidge cheaper to buy a breeding to Vegas Resort. Then you would even get a registered horse that would in turn, actually make the process cheaper to buy the semen than steal it. Surely, no one here is being serious about that. It is pretty obvious what happened. Some time between collection and insemination, "someone" made an honest mistake and the result is the offspring that doesn't match the breeders report, can't be registered unless the stallion owner participates, and is not contractually what was supposed to happen. The one on the hook, is the person that was responsible for collection and shipping the semen. That is really the only way to look at it. Is anyone claiming anything different?[/quote] You will have to ask VetTV........
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| Thank you Tdove! Finally some objective thinking. Not trash talk and bashing. |
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| LOL NJJ! You are awesome at stirring the pot. You can't let Tdove kill the drama. :) |
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Location: NW. Florida | Here's the crazy thing, it would cost the vet to rectify this situation.....but this post has been viewed almost 5,000 times. I would think that not retifying it would surely cost more in the long run. Everyone makes mistakes, but owning up to them would make you an professional. |
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Location: West Texas | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 2:34 PM
To clear up a few things, in the beginning I contacted the vet, they said they didn't collect the yellow stud that day and there was no possible way. I got the DNA test back and proved it was Can't Bully This Guy as sire. They then admitted it was indeed their fault. He said he wanted receipts on charges to get the foal here. I told him I purchased the foal at 10 days old. I didn't hear from him for nearly a year. I tried several times to see if he had come to an agreement. When I threatened to go oublic, he turned it over to his insurance company. That was almost 10 months later. So I believe I have been plenty patient. I want no drama nor do I like to conduct business this way. I would like to have some sort of settlement so I will know what to do with the colt before he is too old. I have never been in any type of precadiment like this before so this is all new to me. If it were our fault, I would make my ammends whatever it may be and go on.
Felicia, what I don't get is why wont the stallion owner amend their breeding report to at least get your colt registered? If it were my stallion that was the accidental baby daddy, you would have that done like right now! Then, I would want to be part of the resolution from the responsible party for reimbursement for my stud fee. In reality, I would just forfeit it, knowing that you have a registered colt by my stud out this mare. So, what is the negative for them in this deal, to not provide you with at least a registered colt?
Edited by Tdove 2016-01-28 2:59 PM
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Hey Vet tv, if I owned the yellow stud and were in this precadiment, irregardless of what my fee was, I would gladly want the foal to be registered. I am well aware of breeding practices as we have 3 studs and I even stood Vegas Resort for 1 season. If I forgot to put a mare on my breeding report, you can add it with a small fine to aqha. I am aware she didn't know (or think she didn't ) at the time she did turn in her report. Also, I would sure like to know how you would have handled this situation differently if it were you? |
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Trey, I have no idea. Coconut has never had a foal but she is herself a world champion calf horse and multiple aqha world qualifier in 3 events. Barrels, poles and tie down. She could only help prove her stud at worst |
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| haha this post has been viewed 5000 times by the same people over and over that are chatting. I am going to get some work done so I can ride my horse tonight instead of wasting more time in a chat room. Happy riding to you all! |
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| VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:55 PM
haha this post has been viewed 5000 times by the same people over and over that are chatting. I am going to get some work done so I can ride my horse tonight instead of wasting more time in a chat room. Happy riding to you all!
Ah, the point blank questions will go unanswered. |
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Location: Oklahoma | bennie1 - 2016-01-28 2:58 PM
VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:55 PM
haha this post has been viewed 5000 times by the same people over and over that are chatting. I am going to get some work done so I can ride my horse tonight instead of wasting more time in a chat room. Happy riding to you all!
Ah, the point blank questions will go unanswered.
didn't expect anything less. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:50 PM LOL NJJ! You are awesome at stirring the pot. You can't let Tdove kill the drama. :)
ME....you are the one posting long dissertations about how "wonderful" this vet is.....could it be because you have a "vested interest" in selling him your "network" and selling him (AND the stallion owner) advertising, etc.....YOU are the one who has posted long dissertations that are ANYTHING but professional and then dare to accuse others of not being "professional"..... IF that "wonderful" man WAS a professional he would have dispensed with this mess a LONG time ago....It is a PROVEN fact (that can not be denied) that the WRONG semen was sent....the ONLY person responsible would be the Vet or his employees.... the "professional" thing to do would be to not hang on for more than a YEAR to rectify the mistake. If you believe he or his clinic are being dissed and bashed, perhaps you should contact him and urge HIM to be the "professional" instead of trying to brow beat people on this thread to be quiet about the problem! |
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| Now i'm really confused and i think it's been asked before...but if she bought these foals...why does this not just go back to the person she bought the foals from? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have been following this thread, very interesting I may say, can someone find the old thread that Cowboytravel started a year ago when this all came up and bump it up? I remember some of it I think but would like to read it again.. |
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| powerstroke power - 2016-01-28 3:00 PM
Now i'm really confused and i think it's been asked before...but if she bought these foals...why does this not just go back to the person she bought the foals from?
She is having to do that, then THAT person will have to go after who shipped the wrong semen |
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