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Location: sunny california | thanks for your insight riden. i find it hard to swallow that we have americans that make decisions that have such an impact on others, but it is ok because it doesn't affect them. I say this about all those that make hurtful decisions. from the tax taker to the ceo that decides it is ok to dump toxic chemicals into someones back yard.. no they do not do the dumping but they put it into play.
we all have to carry some weight here. we all buy a bunch of crap that we do not need that is made outside of this country. We waste and create more than our share of trash. some of us raise spoiled brats that are too entitiled to work in a field. Maybe if we did our own "demeaning chores" we would not have the illegal problem. farmers bring in illegals and dump the consequences on the community. Maybe they should pay a little better and we should be a little less spoiled and do some work. On welfare? go work a field....Maybe if the kids worked in a field they would appreciate school more and not be so lazy and ignorant.
I have a hard time finding kids to work around my place and I do pay better than minimum wage. They party then are too tired to come in the next day or they lie and say some real important excuse but then post pics on facebook of them at the beach.
What i am saying is we are all guilty of creating what we have now and there is not one single person going to fix it. I think some of these other countries need to fix their own problems. We can't even fix our own problems yet we are supposed to fix everyone elses and they hate us to boot. It probably will take a global blood bath before things get better. scary times for all.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | RockyMountainRacer - 2016-03-23 9:40 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-03-23 7:59 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2016-03-23 9:00 PM "Christianity ended those practices a couple of centuries ago." Yes, the Crusades are over, but a lot of Christians I know are still doing awful things- discriminating against gays, trying to make safe abortions and birth control illegal... You can't exactly say every single Christian is guiltless. With the election coming up, we need to elect somebody strong enough to handle ISIS correctly. The problem is, none of the candidates instill much confidence on this front- Bernie is good about getting things done, but a Socialist is not what this country needs and he doesn't exactly stand out on the foreign relations part. Cruz is sane but is still pretty scary because of how destructive he is- and also, I'm not sure a Canadian is the best person to head the United States. Hillary is god-awful, just going to leave it at that. And Trump has fascist ideals and just wants to see the country torn to shreds. Not impressed. I dont consider taxing the people double what they are now and promising free college and hand outs "getting things done" I consider that riding on others shirttails.. What I mean is that he's dedicated and doesn't beat around the bush- he just seems to stick to his plan and power through. Sorry, should have been more clear.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevertooold - 2016-03-24 1:49 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2016-03-23 9:40 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-03-23 7:59 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2016-03-23 9:00 PM "Christianity ended those practices a couple of centuries ago." Yes, the Crusades are over, but a lot of Christians I know are still doing awful things- discriminating against gays, trying to make safe abortions and birth control illegal... You can't exactly say every single Christian is guiltless. With the election coming up, we need to elect somebody strong enough to handle ISIS correctly. The problem is, none of the candidates instill much confidence on this front- Bernie is good about getting things done, but a Socialist is not what this country needs and he doesn't exactly stand out on the foreign relations part. Cruz is sane but is still pretty scary because of how destructive he is- and also, I'm not sure a Canadian is the best person to head the United States. Hillary is god-awful, just going to leave it at that. And Trump has fascist ideals and just wants to see the country torn to shreds. Not impressed. I dont consider taxing the people double what they are now and promising free college and hand outs "getting things done" I consider that riding on others shirttails.. What I mean is that he's dedicated and doesn't beat around the bush- he just seems to stick to his plan and power through. Sorry, should have been more clear.
Well heck....in his 25 years in Congress he has had 3 bills passed into law.....two for renaming of some post offices (whoo-hooo). He did get a bill passed to increase the annual cost of living for veterans benefits in 2013...... impressive, huh?
This is a good reason to have term limits in Congress.......
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2016-03-23 4:05 PM
komet. - 2016-03-23 3:08 PM Vickie - 2016-03-23 2:48 PM As far as a wall goes, as unpractical as it is, has anyone thought about the wild life that migrate up and down the Americas.  And the rivers, are you going to **** them?  A wall is the stupided, most impractical idea ever.  If you want to stop drug dealers, how about stop Americans from buying their drugs.  When are we going to accept responsibility for buying the drugs and causing this problem?  Americans are causing this, stop buying their posion!!! What wildlife besides birds and butterflies migrate into and out of America to the south on an annual basis?
The chain of 40 mountain ranges links the northern range of tropical species such as the jaguar and the parrot in the Mexican Sierra Madre Mountains, and the southern limit of temperate animals such as the black bear and the Mexican wolf in the U.S. Rocky Mountains.Â
Hummingbirds and hawks? Seriously? Just how tall do they think this fence will be that birds can't fly over it? Lions, bears and wolves? I doubt the livestock owners in that area will gripe about having less of those. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2016-03-24 3:46 PM NJJ - 2016-03-23 4:05 PM komet. - 2016-03-23 3:08 PM Vickie - 2016-03-23 2:48 PM As far as a wall goes, as unpractical as it is, has anyone thought about the wild life that migrate up and down the Americas. And the rivers, are you going to **** them? A wall is the stupided, most impractical idea ever. If you want to stop drug dealers, how about stop Americans from buying their drugs. When are we going to accept responsibility for buying the drugs and causing this problem? Americans are causing this, stop buying their posion!!! What wildlife besides birds and butterflies migrate into and out of America to the south on an annual basis?
The chain of 40 mountain ranges links the northern range of tropical species such as the jaguar and the parrot in the Mexican Sierra Madre Mountains, and the southern limit of temperate animals such as the black bear and the Mexican wolf in the U.S. Rocky Mountains.
Hummingbirds and hawks? Seriously? Just how tall do they think this fence will be that birds can't fly over it? Lions, bears and wolves? I doubt the livestock owners in that area will gripe about having less of those.
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Location: That part of Texas | Kaitlyn19 - 2016-03-23 6:42 AM GLP - 2016-03-23 6:12 AM Kaitlyn19 - 2016-03-23 1:32 AM Barnmom - 2016-03-23 1:21 AM Kaitlyn19 - 2016-03-23 1:03 AM GLP - 2016-03-23 12:53 AM Short term solution works for me. It might buy us time to find a better solution. Nothing works 100% and that wall would work better than the 0% we have now. Once again, what state do you live in? They have trillions of dollars to work with...they tunnel under entire cities....they can just move all the crime to Florida. PA.
Is your argument that nothing is going to be 100% perfect so screw it, lets have a free for all? No my plan is for an actual genius to come up with a plan. I would rather not have my national debt go up. If we have so much national debt how are we going to afford a wall! The point is they already have tunnels into the US so how is a wall going to stop a tunnel? Let's just wall in the whole US that will fix the whole problem  1. Trump will not have any better ideas than a wall 2. He will start blowing up countries for the hell of it and that's not something I support. I'll have to find more information on these walls tomorrow. Sister if they have so many tunnels then why the *#%# are they ruining so much country? They have trails all over the southwest. They leave trash all over, they gave human mule trains carrying over their drugs. If they had all these elaborate tunnels, why for the love of Pete are so many dying in our deserts? The Coyotes wouldn't have to swim people over or trek for days in the desert carrying gallons of water. There are some tunnels, no doubt, but we also hunt them down and seal them off. Our Border Patrol is not so stupid they can't find the tunnels. You have no idea what we are dealing with AND you have NO idea what you are talking about. If I sound emotional, I am this MY part of the world and it is coming unraveled. We CANNOT afford to keep supporting and not deporting these people. I feel bad for them and I see them in the brush line headed north. Some are really hard workers, most are not. Many come across to have babies so we won't throw them back. I can't remember the last time I heard an English speaking mother be interviewed on Jan. 1 because she had the first baby born of the year here. A wall WILL help. We can and do find your precious tunnels down here so that is just not gonna cut it as an argument against the wall. We are already in a huge hole money wise. In the long run it will be cheaper to build that wall and enforce our laws than it is to pay for so many to be on welfare and in our prison systems. Where are you from? I stated PA. Here is what I do know friends went on spring break got in and out of Mexico without their passport that doesn't sound like a very good system right now even checking. These people will just move their hub of operations if no one can see that having lots of money at their disposal will stop them. The wall of Jordan can't even be compared yet as it hasn't been built, so who is to say it will keep the Syrians out. Also, I haven't found anything about a wall between Mexico and Guatemala. Unfortunately, the only person aiming to get a wall that could possibly be elected is Trump. I am not sure if he is up against Hillary if he will be elected because unfortunately most dems will vote for Hillary over Trump. I would do a write-in before voting for either. If you want to build a wall take it off my national debt to yours, I would rather have it billed towards funding people who will actually have a permanent solution. I am not saying it's not a bad first idea, but really that is the best we got. You have a right to be frustrated and vote for who you want to get in, but so do I. I hear what you are saying, but I want an end game, I want more people involved playing an active role. A wall is distracting people....many people believe it will solve all problems. That to me is a major flaw. How many people when all they see is reduced numbers will not be enraged that there isn't a permanent solution?
A permanent solution exists but it comes with a catch. For years the experts and people working on the problem always come back to the reality that people will continue to illegally cross our borders and evade our laws (and taxes) while it is economically advantageous for them to do so. That's the No. 1 reason people cross and continue to do it. It's an economic problem that we have not been able to fix with a viable economic solution so we have to resort to other means.
We've already tried ways of allowing remittances (money earned here and sent back to the country of origin) to pass more freely and cheaply in the hopes that it would boost economies of those countries and allow growth so that those places would become more appealing for people not to leave and possibly immigrate back to. That hasn't worked since most of those remittances go towards keeping households there afloat and not much (if anything) is left over to invest in those areas so they are permanently improved. Sending money directly to the countries doesn't seem to help either because most are run by corrupt officials and governments.
So what's next?
Well, we're all in luck. Apparently we have a few choice candidates for president who have many ways of destroying us economically and taking away money from taxpayers so that living in this country is not going to be so economically advantageous anymore. If they get their way, all of us will end up being just as poor as our southern neighbors and we won't have to worry about illegal immigration anymore because nobody will want to come to this country unless they are drug smugglers and terrorists. At that time, Mexico will probably build it's own wall (if we don't first) to keep all of us from illegally entering Mexico and trying to move there to better our own lives and to escape terrorism on our side of the border.
All joking aside, if you want to be a genius and fix the problem you'll need to figure out a way to fix the economies of several countries in our hemisphere and make them viable so that people can live there safely and prosper the same way that they feel they can do in the United States. Until then we are going to have to resort to more police measures such as walls/fences, immigration policies and deportation to correct as much of the problems as we can.
I've lived in Texas all my life and for the past 20 years, I've been part of the enormous group of people living here who have in one way or another, tried to solve this problem that has been plaguing our state. I worked on proposed legislative bills while I was in college on immigration matters that our local state representative tried to get passed/advanced without much success. I was a prosecutor for eight years in charge of enforcing our state laws on drugs, domestic violence and other things affecting the people of my area as a result of illegals being in our community and violating our laws. During that time, I've seen many illegals go back to Mexico to avoid being arrested on a warrant for beating up their child/spouse and coming back when they had effectively removed that person (by making them go back home to the Mexican homestead) so that they couldn't testify when the case was going to trial. I work now as a criminal defense attorney for many of the mules caught hauling large amounts of drugs in my area as their court-appointed counsel who gets paid by the taxpayers to represent them because no matter how many laws they violate, we still give them all the rights/treatment as any citizen would get. As a part of my work now, I get to sit with some of these individuals in locked jail rooms as they are meeting with DEA/FBI/Federal agents and snitching their way towards a better plea bargain by exchanging information for freedom/early deportation until they are caught again.
Needless to say, I'm really interested in this genius, white-knight person with all the right answers to be found because we really need him/her to help us now. I used to think I had a bunch of the answers to the problems before I started working within the system to make a change. I learned how naive I was to some extent and also the fact that while the system may be imperfect, it's the best way we've been able to fix things so far. If it's being done a certain way, there's usually a good reason that you don't understand until you learn just how big that problem actually is. I'm glad there are people who do still want to try to make changes. If you want to be one of those people, though, the first thing you need to keep in mind is to find out why the default became the standard of how things are done, what the benefits of it are and how change can either harm/benefit that dynamic. People like to complain about things and say things never change because most won't ask those questions. Apparently we need more white-knight geniuses in the world.
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Location: That part of Texas | Kaitlyn19 - Well drugs is the big time crime I was talking about if you think a wall can stop drug lords that have millions of dollars and resources you are surely mistaken. Generalizing raping and stealing to just illegals ehh.... I guess I feel for the percent of illegal Meixcans (other poor countries) that face death to come to American who can't afford the $600 legalization who make $5 a day and just want to make a living. I understand it's not right legally and that there are criminals in the bunch. There is no clear-cut way to handle the situation to me because people are suffering.
I have sympathy too for those who are escaping some pretty bad situations -- especially from countries further south of Mexico -- and don't fault them so much for coming up here as I do for not continuing to do anything about their illegal status after they have been here for awhile. When you've been part of a community for 10-15-20 years, it's time to start the legalization process and become a citizen of the country that allowed you such a good life and the ability to provide for your family back home. I've done divorces for many of these people and I know what they make, own and send back home. Let's just say the majority of them can definitely afford it. They also are not afraid of using our legal system to their benefit when they can and many know how to navigate the starting process or know someone who can get them started. Obama promised to make it easier for those people to become citizens in exchange for lessening deportations. He's only made good on one of those issues and it's not the one putting more taxpayers on the IRS collection list. | |
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| kwanatha - 2016-03-25 9:33 AM thanks for your insight riden. i find it hard to swallow that we have americans that make decisions that have such an impact on others, but it is ok because it doesn't affect them. I say this about all those that make hurtful decisions. from the tax taker to the ceo that decides it is ok to dump toxic chemicals into someones back yard.. no they do not do the dumping but they put it into play.
we all have to carry some weight here. we all buy a bunch of crap that we do not need that is made outside of this country. We waste and create more than our share of trash. some of us raise spoiled brats that are too entitiled to work in a field. Maybe if we did our own "demeaning chores" we would not have the illegal problem. farmers bring in illegals and dump the consequences on the community. Maybe they should pay a little better and we should be a little less spoiled and do some work. On welfare? go work a field....Maybe if the kids worked in a field they would appreciate school more and not be so lazy and ignorant.
I have a hard time finding kids to work around my place and I do pay better than minimum wage. They party then are too tired to come in the next day or they lie and say some real important excuse but then post pics on facebook of them at the beach.
What i am saying is we are all guilty of creating what we have now and there is not one single person going to fix it. I think some of these other countries need to fix their own problems. We can't even fix our own problems yet we are supposed to fix everyone elses and they hate us to boot. It probably will take a global blood bath before things get better. scary times for all.
Today, my eight year old came home from school yelling that she hates Trump. So I'm asking her why, and she explains that all her friends on the bus which are mainly mexican and very young are all freaking out that he is going to kick them all out. All I can figure is their parents are unsure about facts, talking around the table and feeding hysteria. It just plays right into what the left wants the minority to believe...and they do...hook line and sinker. Scary. | |
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| Red Raider - 2016-03-24 5:37 PM Kaitlyn19 - Well drugs is the big time crime I was talking about if you think a wall can stop drug lords that have millions of dollars and resources you are surely mistaken. Generalizing raping and stealing to just illegals ehh.... I guess I feel for the percent of illegal Meixcans (other poor countries) that face death to come to American who can't afford the $600 legalization who make $5 a day and just want to make a living. I understand it's not right legally and that there are criminals in the bunch. There is no clear-cut way to handle the situation to me because people are suffering. I have sympathy too for those who are escaping some pretty bad situations -- especially from countries further south of Mexico -- and don't fault them so much for coming up here as I do for not continuing to do anything about their illegal status after they have been here for awhile. When you've been part of a community for 10-15-20 years, it's time to start the legalization process and become a citizen of the country that allowed you such a good life and the ability to provide for your family back home. I've done divorces for many of these people and I know what they make, own and send back home. Let's just say the majority of them can definitely afford it. They also are not afraid of using our legal system to their benefit when they can and many know how to navigate the starting process or know someone who can get them started. Obama promised to make it easier for those people to become citizens in exchange for lessening deportations. He's only made good on one of those issues and it's not the one putting more taxpayers on the IRS collection list.
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| For disclosure, I don't read this thread, but did catch "wall". John Oliver did a segment on Sunday night about the feasibility of the wall that was pretty interesting. Non-withstanding the continually upgraded cost, maintenance after construction, questionable effectiveness, damage to wildlife and wilderness areas, and something I hadn't thought about, the massive amount of privately owned ranches, farms, and recreational land that would be seized by the federal government (with the additional cost to taxpayers for compensation) by emminant domain. He highlighted ranchers that their property would be split in half. Obviously they are not thrilled. Also showed an American golf course between the wall and the river. The old lady playing just thought the whole wall thing was stupid. And as Oliver finished, "Just so people in Des Moine can feel safe."
PS: Ted Cruz's latest position on undocumented immigrants is so extreme that it makes Donald Trump — who has become infamous for his harsh, xenophobic anti-immigrant remarks on the campaign trail — look tame in comparison.
During a stop in Boone, IA this week, Cruz said that he would support deporting the country’s 11.3 million undocumented immigrants without ever giving them a chance to come back to the country. Trump, meanwhile, has said he would deport all undocumented immigrants but allow the “really good people” to move back to the United States. (Maybe that's where Ridden's daughter's friends got that idea.)
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