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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers.  And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that.  (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old.  At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.Â
 I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods?
I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you.
LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol 
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 12:43 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. ETA: or are you saying there are unisex restrooms that have both stalls AND urinals?
Carry on - and do what you feel is appropriate for you and yours.
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| In my state there was actually a Transgender barrel racer that hauled to some shows for a few years. She transitioned from man to women. I have not seen her in a couple years but everybody would look and talk about her. She was actually a very nice person. I felt bad for her. Anyways we were at a bigger show and one of my friends walked in on her in the women's showers just finishing up with one. My friend was in complete shock at what she walked in on. I'm not a 100% positive she had a full change over either. So it was a little hard to grasp that she was using the women's showers.
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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers.  And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that.  (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old.  At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.Â
 I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods?
I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you.
LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol
I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
Correct, and notice I said " Pre Op" once they have full gender reassignment surgery those parts will no longer exist. Its actually AMAZING to me how far this surgery has come. After the surgery these people ( Either gender) have 100% fully functioning genitalia. I guess the surgery takes something like 10 or more hours. Has to be grueling. But there is a lot of plumbing to re route. :) I have seen " After" pictures of fully healed cases and to the naked eye you would never suspect that used to be the opposite anatomical part.
And as for walking in to the showers with a person not fully transitioned, I agree, that would be shocking and difficult to deal with. Personally for me, I wouldn't be the least bit phased by it, but I am not like everyone with the background that I have.
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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
Well no ****, and you are being aggrevating just to be. You act like I am the devil and don't' understand transgender. If you would have read what I wrote, I said true transgenders I don't have a problem with and understand. And OMG - I have a guy son/step daughter. Frankly, I probably understand more then you. Never once did I put either of these people down or in a different category.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do.
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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers.  And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that.  (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old.  At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.Â
 I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do. Â
WTF are you even talking about?? I just asked you to clarify what you meant about the bathroom stuff because your posts were confusing. I haven't seen unisex restrooms that have multiple stalls AND urinals, so was really confused about what you meant about your daughter seeing strange peckers. | |
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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do.
WTF are you even talking about?? I just asked you to clarify what you meant about the bathroom stuff because your posts were confusing. I haven't seen unisex restrooms that have multiple stalls AND urinals, so was really confused about what you meant about your daughter seeing strange peckers.
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Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 2:02 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 12:59 PM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 1:18 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 12:05 PM cyount2009 - 2016-04-21 9:59 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:43 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if  this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there..  Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers.  And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that.  (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old.  At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.Â
 I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do.Â
 WTF are you even talking about?? I just asked you to clarify what you meant about the bathroom stuff because your posts were confusing. I haven't seen unisex restrooms that have multiple stalls AND urinals, so was really confused about what you meant about your daughter seeing strange peckers.
YES, that's why I asked you where there are women's restrooms with both stalls AND urinals, and then I realized you were probably talking about unisex bathrooms, but since I have never personally seen a unisex bathroom with both multiple stalls and urinals, I was confused. I have seen single-occupancy restrooms with both, but not multiple.
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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do.
WTF are you even talking about?? I just asked you to clarify what you meant about the bathroom stuff because your posts were confusing. I haven't seen unisex restrooms that have multiple stalls AND urinals, so was really confused about what you meant about your daughter seeing strange peckers. YES, that's why I asked you where there are women's restrooms with both stalls AND urinals, and then I realized you were probably talking about unisex bathrooms, but since I have never personally seen a unisex bathroom with both multiple stalls and urinals, I was confused. I have seen single-occupancy restrooms with both, but not multiple. I was simply trying to understand what the heck you were talking about, I NEVER ONCE implied anything about you, you must be confusing my posts with someone else's.
That's the point of this whole thread. They are trying to force companies to have it like that. To make Americans who own business have them, whether they agree or not.
Like the stupid laws they passed in MS, NC and other states. Which if people read them they wouldn't like those either, because it allows even medical staff to pick and choose who they want to care for...........but that is for another day.
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It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman.
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want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM
It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman.
You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights.
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights.
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| TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-21 4:41 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:44 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-21 4:41 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around. Ok .. I'm sorry then.. this thread is quoted so many times I got lost ... my bad...
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-21 4:41 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:46 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-21 4:41 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around.
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