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Location: sunny california | trickster j - 2016-06-01 6:41 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 6:18 PM I'll try to clarify so you can understand, trickster. Yes, my comments were my opinion, but I based that on the opinions of other docs with whom I've worked for 37 years. Back pain can be very frustrating to deal with. I have read a study recently where over 600 doctors were surveyed. I don't recall all the details right off hand, but one thing that I walked away with was that roughly 2/3rds of those docs felt that their management was inadequate. Interestingly, in that same paper, roughly the same percentage of patients felt they were well managed. In either case, the findings merely reinforced the notion that there is considerable room for improvement. If you are really interested, I can see if I can find it for you. ETA: The short answer is no, it's not my opinion exclusively. I know it may seem a little confusing.
Thank you for trying to clarify- you jump back and forth between your opinion, everyone else's opinion, our opinion, theory and fact very often in the same few sentences- and it doesn't appear you discriminate between them when you write.
Aa far as back pain- it is also a troubling issue in horses as well. It could be caused by poor saddle fit, direct trauma, poor training/riding, sore stifles/hocks/rear suspensories, shoeing, strain to the Supraspinous lig, etc. etc. etc. Once a vet can identify and alleviate the primary pain source, the back tightness and spasming can be resolved with massage, trigger point, Myofacial and a few other alternative remedies. These actually are the majority of the cases that are referred to me because the veterinarians know that I can create a positive change in these secondary issues once the primary issues are resolved. This btw, is why it is important for a certified practitioner to work under verterinary guidance. (I mention this just to provide you with some insight as to how these non-veterinary practices performed by certified (or not) individuals can help heal the horse as a whole).
eta: In consideration of back pain in humans, I wonder how many of these cases are expressed as symptoms of a structural imbalance or compensation from another part of the body? In horses, the back pain seems to mostly be caused by something else-
I know horses are quadrupeds and not bi-peds, but it could be interesting to ponder possible similarities between them. Perhaps that is why back pain is such a difficult syndrome to treat-
I think most back pain could be alleviated by losing weight and cleansing the liver with fruits and veggies, but nobody wants to call out the elephant in the room including the dr.  | |
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Bear - 2016-06-01 6:18 PM I'll try to clarify so you can understand, trickster. Yes, my comments were my opinion, but I based that on the opinions of other docs with whom I've worked for 37 years. Back pain can be very frustrating to deal with. I have read a study recently where over 600 doctors were surveyed. I don't recall all the details right off hand, but one thing that I walked away with was that roughly 2/3rds of those docs felt that their management was inadequate. Interestingly, in that same paper, roughly the same percentage of patients felt they were well managed. In either case, the findings merely reinforced the notion that there is considerable room for improvement. If you are really interested, I can see if I can find it for you. ETA: The short answer is no, it's not my opinion exclusively. I know it may seem a little confusing. Thank you for trying to clarify- you jump back and forth between your opinion, everyone else's opinion, our opinion, theory and fact very often in the same few sentences- and it doesn't appear you discriminate between them when you write. Â
Aa far as back pain- it is also a troubling issue in horses as well. Â It could be caused by poor saddle fit, direct trauma, poor training/riding, sore stifles/hocks/rear suspensories, shoeing, strain to the Supraspinous lig, etc. etc. etc. Â Once a vet can identify and alleviate the primary pain source, the back tightness and spasming can be resolved with massage, trigger point, Myofacial and a few other alternative remedies. Â These actually are the majority of the cases that are referred to me because the veterinarians know that I can create a positive change in these secondary issues once the primary issues are resolved. Â This btw, is why it is important for a certified practitioner to work under verterinary guidance. Â (I mention this just to provide you with some insight as to how these non-veterinary practices performed by certified (or not) individuals can help heal the horse as a whole). Â
eta: In consideration of back pain in humans, I wonder how many of these cases are expressed as symptoms of a structural imbalance or compensation from another part of the body? Â In horses, the back pain seems to mostly be caused by something else-
I know horses are quadrupeds and not bi-peds, but it could be interesting to ponder possible similarities between them. Â Perhaps that is why back pain is such a difficult syndrome to treat-Â
Well, I'm not sure I can clarify better than I have. I provided you with some information I remembered from that article where over 600 docs were surveyed, combined with a mental compilation of my colleagues over the years, of which there have been hundreds, as well as my personal opinion based on experience and everything taken together. What's your point?
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trickster j - 2016-06-01 6:41 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 6:18 PM I'll try to clarify so you can understand, trickster. Yes, my comments were my opinion, but I based that on the opinions of other docs with whom I've worked for 37 years. Back pain can be very frustrating to deal with. I have read a study recently where over 600 doctors were surveyed. I don't recall all the details right off hand, but one thing that I walked away with was that roughly 2/3rds of those docs felt that their management was inadequate. Interestingly, in that same paper, roughly the same percentage of patients felt they were well managed. In either case, the findings merely reinforced the notion that there is considerable room for improvement. If you are really interested, I can see if I can find it for you. ETA: The short answer is no, it's not my opinion exclusively. I know it may seem a little confusing.
Thank you for trying to clarify- you jump back and forth between your opinion, everyone else's opinion, our opinion, theory and fact very often in the same few sentences- and it doesn't appear you discriminate between them when you write. Â
Aa far as back pain- it is also a troubling issue in horses as well. Â It could be caused by poor saddle fit, direct trauma, poor training/riding, sore stifles/hocks/rear suspensories, shoeing, strain to the Supraspinous lig, etc. etc. etc. Â Once a vet can identify and alleviate the primary pain source, the back tightness and spasming can be resolved with massage, trigger point, Myofacial and a few other alternative remedies. Â These actually are the majority of the cases that are referred to me because the veterinarians know that I can create a positive change in these secondary issues once the primary issues are resolved. Â This btw, is why it is important for a certified practitioner to work under verterinary guidance. Â (I mention this just to provide you with some insight as to how these non-veterinary practices performed by certified (or not) individuals can help heal the horse as a whole). Â
eta: In consideration of back pain in humans, I wonder how many of these cases are expressed as symptoms of a structural imbalance or compensation from another part of the body? Â In horses, the back pain seems to mostly be caused by something else-
I know horses are quadrupeds and not bi-peds, but it could be interesting to ponder possible similarities between them. Â Perhaps that is why back pain is such a difficult syndrome to treat-Â
You're just trying to push my buttons, aren't you? I forgot all about those liver toxins and cleansing. | |
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| Bear - 2016-06-01 7:20 PM trickster j - 2016-06-01 8:41 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 6:18 PM I'll try to clarify so you can understand, trickster. Yes, my comments were my opinion, but I based that on the opinions of other docs with whom I've worked for 37 years. Back pain can be very frustrating to deal with. I have read a study recently where over 600 doctors were surveyed. I don't recall all the details right off hand, but one thing that I walked away with was that roughly 2/3rds of those docs felt that their management was inadequate. Interestingly, in that same paper, roughly the same percentage of patients felt they were well managed. In either case, the findings merely reinforced the notion that there is considerable room for improvement. If you are really interested, I can see if I can find it for you. ETA: The short answer is no, it's not my opinion exclusively. I know it may seem a little confusing. Thank you for trying to clarify- you jump back and forth between your opinion, everyone else's opinion, our opinion, theory and fact very often in the same few sentences- and it doesn't appear you discriminate between them when you write.
Aa far as back pain- it is also a troubling issue in horses as well. It could be caused by poor saddle fit, direct trauma, poor training/riding, sore stifles/hocks/rear suspensories, shoeing, strain to the Supraspinous lig, etc. etc. etc. Once a vet can identify and alleviate the primary pain source, the back tightness and spasming can be resolved with massage, trigger point, Myofacial and a few other alternative remedies. These actually are the majority of the cases that are referred to me because the veterinarians know that I can create a positive change in these secondary issues once the primary issues are resolved. This btw, is why it is important for a certified practitioner to work under verterinary guidance. (I mention this just to provide you with some insight as to how these non-veterinary practices performed by certified (or not) individuals can help heal the horse as a whole).
eta: In consideration of back pain in humans, I wonder how many of these cases are expressed as symptoms of a structural imbalance or compensation from another part of the body? In horses, the back pain seems to mostly be caused by something else-
I know horses are quadrupeds and not bi-peds, but it could be interesting to ponder possible similarities between them. Perhaps that is why back pain is such a difficult syndrome to treat- Well, I'm not sure I can clarify better than I have. I provided you with some information I remembered from that article where over 600 docs were surveyed, combined with a mental compilation of my colleagues over the years, of which there have been hundreds, as well as my personal opinion based on experience and everything taken together. What's your point? I can't really offer much on the topic of equine back pain. My experience is limited to one horse, and the pain resolved after one chiro treatment.
This has been a fun topic to toss around- but I am afraid it has ran it's course. I respect you for your education and your expertise in the field of medicine, even though I didn't express it previously- you asked if there were any certified experts here on BHW and yes, there is at least one, and it is me. I am pretty sure I've proven that by now. Thanks for the chit chat -
eta: I feel this is an appropriate moment for me to step away from this, I think I've covered my arse pretty well!
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trickster j - 2016-06-01 6:41 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 6:18 PM I'll try to clarify so you can understand, trickster. Yes, my comments were my opinion, but I based that on the opinions of other docs with whom I've worked for 37 years. Back pain can be very frustrating to deal with. I have read a study recently where over 600 doctors were surveyed. I don't recall all the details right off hand, but one thing that I walked away with was that roughly 2/3rds of those docs felt that their management was inadequate. Interestingly, in that same paper, roughly the same percentage of patients felt they were well managed. In either case, the findings merely reinforced the notion that there is considerable room for improvement. If you are really interested, I can see if I can find it for you. ETA: The short answer is no, it's not my opinion exclusively. I know it may seem a little confusing.
Thank you for trying to clarify- you jump back and forth between your opinion, everyone else's opinion, our opinion, theory and fact very often in the same few sentences- and it doesn't appear you discriminate between them when you write. Â
Aa far as back pain- it is also a troubling issue in horses as well. Â It could be caused by poor saddle fit, direct trauma, poor training/riding, sore stifles/hocks/rear suspensories, shoeing, strain to the Supraspinous lig, etc. etc. etc. Â Once a vet can identify and alleviate the primary pain source, the back tightness and spasming can be resolved with massage, trigger point, Myofacial and a few other alternative remedies. Â These actually are the majority of the cases that are referred to me because the veterinarians know that I can create a positive change in these secondary issues once the primary issues are resolved. Â This btw, is why it is important for a certified practitioner to work under verterinary guidance. Â (I mention this just to provide you with some insight as to how these non-veterinary practices performed by certified (or not) individuals can help heal the horse as a whole). Â
eta: In consideration of back pain in humans, I wonder how many of these cases are expressed as symptoms of a structural imbalance or compensation from another part of the body? Â In horses, the back pain seems to mostly be caused by something else-
I know horses are quadrupeds and not bi-peds, but it could be interesting to ponder possible similarities between them. Â Perhaps that is why back pain is such a difficult syndrome to treat-Â
bear did agree with my post about human back pain except in surgical cases most back pain needs chiro, message therapist, weight loss and strenthing the core muscles
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trickster j - 2016-06-01 6:41 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 6:18 PM I'll try to clarify so you can understand, trickster. Yes, my comments were my opinion, but I based that on the opinions of other docs with whom I've worked for 37 years. Back pain can be very frustrating to deal with. I have read a study recently where over 600 doctors were surveyed. I don't recall all the details right off hand, but one thing that I walked away with was that roughly 2/3rds of those docs felt that their management was inadequate. Interestingly, in that same paper, roughly the same percentage of patients felt they were well managed. In either case, the findings merely reinforced the notion that there is considerable room for improvement. If you are really interested, I can see if I can find it for you. ETA: The short answer is no, it's not my opinion exclusively. I know it may seem a little confusing.
Thank you for trying to clarify- you jump back and forth between your opinion, everyone else's opinion, our opinion, theory and fact very often in the same few sentences- and it doesn't appear you discriminate between them when you write. Â
Aa far as back pain- it is also a troubling issue in horses as well. Â It could be caused by poor saddle fit, direct trauma, poor training/riding, sore stifles/hocks/rear suspensories, shoeing, strain to the Supraspinous lig, etc. etc. etc. Â Once a vet can identify and alleviate the primary pain source, the back tightness and spasming can be resolved with massage, trigger point, Myofacial and a few other alternative remedies. Â These actually are the majority of the cases that are referred to me because the veterinarians know that I can create a positive change in these secondary issues once the primary issues are resolved. Â This btw, is why it is important for a certified practitioner to work under verterinary guidance. Â (I mention this just to provide you with some insight as to how these non-veterinary practices performed by certified (or not) individuals can help heal the horse as a whole). Â
eta: In consideration of back pain in humans, I wonder how many of these cases are expressed as symptoms of a structural imbalance or compensation from another part of the body? Â In horses, the back pain seems to mostly be caused by something else-
I know horses are quadrupeds and not bi-peds, but it could be interesting to ponder possible similarities between them. Â Perhaps that is why back pain is such a difficult syndrome to treat-Â
bear did agree with my post about human back pain except in surgical cases most back pain needs chiro, message therapist, weight loss and strenthing the core muscles
actually Bear took what I said a little wrong. I do think people need to cleanse but not like most think. Just cut out junk and eat fruit and veggies and loose weight and many will have less back pain. i was laughing that the doctors don't want to come out and say hey you are fat and all clogged up with the crap you are putting in your body and that is why your back hurts. I also think that a good massage is very good to help cleansing. chiro when done right is awesome too | |
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| trickster j - 2016-06-01 10:08 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 7:20 PM trickster j - 2016-06-01 8:41 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 6:18 PM I'll try to clarify so you can understand, trickster. Yes, my comments were my opinion, but I based that on the opinions of other docs with whom I've worked for 37 years. Back pain can be very frustrating to deal with. I have read a study recently where over 600 doctors were surveyed. I don't recall all the details right off hand, but one thing that I walked away with was that roughly 2/3rds of those docs felt that their management was inadequate. Interestingly, in that same paper, roughly the same percentage of patients felt they were well managed. In either case, the findings merely reinforced the notion that there is considerable room for improvement. If you are really interested, I can see if I can find it for you. ETA: The short answer is no, it's not my opinion exclusively. I know it may seem a little confusing.
Thank you for trying to clarify- you jump back and forth between your opinion, everyone else's opinion, our opinion, theory and fact very often in the same few sentences- and it doesn't appear you discriminate between them when you write.
Aa far as back pain- it is also a troubling issue in horses as well. It could be caused by poor saddle fit, direct trauma, poor training/riding, sore stifles/hocks/rear suspensories, shoeing, strain to the Supraspinous lig, etc. etc. etc. Once a vet can identify and alleviate the primary pain source, the back tightness and spasming can be resolved with massage, trigger point, Myofacial and a few other alternative remedies. These actually are the majority of the cases that are referred to me because the veterinarians know that I can create a positive change in these secondary issues once the primary issues are resolved. This btw, is why it is important for a certified practitioner to work under verterinary guidance. (I mention this just to provide you with some insight as to how these non-veterinary practices performed by certified (or not) individuals can help heal the horse as a whole).
eta: In consideration of back pain in humans, I wonder how many of these cases are expressed as symptoms of a structural imbalance or compensation from another part of the body? In horses, the back pain seems to mostly be caused by something else-
I know horses are quadrupeds and not bi-peds, but it could be interesting to ponder possible similarities between them. Perhaps that is why back pain is such a difficult syndrome to treat- Well, I'm not sure I can clarify better than I have. I provided you with some information I remembered from that article where over 600 docs were surveyed, combined with a mental compilation of my colleagues over the years, of which there have been hundreds, as well as my personal opinion based on experience and everything taken together. What's your point? I can't really offer much on the topic of equine back pain. My experience is limited to one horse, and the pain resolved after one chiro treatment.
This has been a fun topic to toss around- but I am afraid it has ran it's course. I respect you for your education and your expertise in the field of medicine, even though I didn't express it previously- you asked if there were any certified experts here on BHW and yes, there is at least one, and it is me. I am pretty sure I've proven that by now. Thanks for the chit chat -
eta: I feel this is an appropriate moment for me to step away from this, I think I've covered my arse pretty well!
"It's OK, I know you did your best", "I will try to keep this simple"- maybe this is what others were referring to in your lack of self awareness? Many of these posts challanged you in many ways but I did not read one that stooped to this level. You come across as a petulant teenage mean girl who has to insult others intelligence to feel superior, not a becoming quality. You can leave out the insults and still effectively argue your point- guess the mom in me is coming out, kindness in all situations is something I drilled into my children. | |
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trickster j - 2016-06-01 10:08 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 7:20 PM trickster j - 2016-06-01 8:41 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 6:18 PM I'll try to clarify so you can understand, trickster. Yes, my comments were my opinion, but I based that on the opinions of other docs with whom I've worked for 37 years. Back pain can be very frustrating to deal with. I have read a study recently where over 600 doctors were surveyed. I don't recall all the details right off hand, but one thing that I walked away with was that roughly 2/3rds of those docs felt that their management was inadequate. Interestingly, in that same paper, roughly the same percentage of patients felt they were well managed. In either case, the findings merely reinforced the notion that there is considerable room for improvement. If you are really interested, I can see if I can find it for you. ETA: The short answer is no, it's not my opinion exclusively. I know it may seem a little confusing.
Thank you for trying to clarify- you jump back and forth between your opinion, everyone else's opinion, our opinion, theory and fact very often in the same few sentences- and it doesn't appear you discriminate between them when you write. Â
Aa far as back pain- it is also a troubling issue in horses as well. Â It could be caused by poor saddle fit, direct trauma, poor training/riding, sore stifles/hocks/rear suspensories, shoeing, strain to the Supraspinous lig, etc. etc. etc. Â Once a vet can identify and alleviate the primary pain source, the back tightness and spasming can be resolved with massage, trigger point, Myofacial and a few other alternative remedies. Â These actually are the majority of the cases that are referred to me because the veterinarians know that I can create a positive change in these secondary issues once the primary issues are resolved. Â This btw, is why it is important for a certified practitioner to work under verterinary guidance. Â (I mention this just to provide you with some insight as to how these non-veterinary practices performed by certified (or not) individuals can help heal the horse as a whole). Â
eta: In consideration of back pain in humans, I wonder how many of these cases are expressed as symptoms of a structural imbalance or compensation from another part of the body? Â In horses, the back pain seems to mostly be caused by something else-
I know horses are quadrupeds and not bi-peds, but it could be interesting to ponder possible similarities between them. Â Perhaps that is why back pain is such a difficult syndrome to treat-Â Well, I'm not sure I can clarify better than I have. I provided you with some information I remembered from that article where over 600 docs were surveyed, combined with a mental compilation of my colleagues over the years, of which there have been hundreds, as well as my personal opinion based on experience and everything taken together. What's your point? I can't really offer much on the topic of equine back pain. My experience is limited to one horse, and the pain resolved after one chiro treatment.
This has been a fun topic to toss around- but I am afraid it has ran it's course. Â I respect you for your education and your expertise in the field of medicine, even though I didn't express it previously- you asked if there were any certified experts here on BHW and yes, there is at least one, and it is me. Â I am pretty sure I've proven that by now. Â Thanks for the chit chat -
eta: I feel this is an appropriate moment for me to step away from this, I think I've covered my arse pretty well!
I couldn't have said it better, and I'm glad someone else said it.
Obviously Dr Ramey had an excellent point in his editorial. Maybe more people will think about this discussion the next time they encounter the word "certified" and ask themselves what that really means, whether it is applied to a person or product. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-02 7:30 AM trickster j - 2016-06-01 10:08 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 7:20 PM trickster j - 2016-06-01 8:41 PM Bear - 2016-06-01 6:18 PM I'll try to clarify so you can understand, trickster. Yes, my comments were my opinion, but I based that on the opinions of other docs with whom I've worked for 37 years. Back pain can be very frustrating to deal with. I have read a study recently where over 600 doctors were surveyed. I don't recall all the details right off hand, but one thing that I walked away with was that roughly 2/3rds of those docs felt that their management was inadequate. Interestingly, in that same paper, roughly the same percentage of patients felt they were well managed. In either case, the findings merely reinforced the notion that there is considerable room for improvement. If you are really interested, I can see if I can find it for you. ETA: The short answer is no, it's not my opinion exclusively. I know it may seem a little confusing.
Thank you for trying to clarify- you jump back and forth between your opinion, everyone else's opinion, our opinion, theory and fact very often in the same few sentences- and it doesn't appear you discriminate between them when you write.
Aa far as back pain- it is also a troubling issue in horses as well. It could be caused by poor saddle fit, direct trauma, poor training/riding, sore stifles/hocks/rear suspensories, shoeing, strain to the Supraspinous lig, etc. etc. etc. Once a vet can identify and alleviate the primary pain source, the back tightness and spasming can be resolved with massage, trigger point, Myofacial and a few other alternative remedies. These actually are the majority of the cases that are referred to me because the veterinarians know that I can create a positive change in these secondary issues once the primary issues are resolved. This btw, is why it is important for a certified practitioner to work under verterinary guidance. (I mention this just to provide you with some insight as to how these non-veterinary practices performed by certified (or not) individuals can help heal the horse as a whole).
eta: In consideration of back pain in humans, I wonder how many of these cases are expressed as symptoms of a structural imbalance or compensation from another part of the body? In horses, the back pain seems to mostly be caused by something else-
I know horses are quadrupeds and not bi-peds, but it could be interesting to ponder possible similarities between them. Perhaps that is why back pain is such a difficult syndrome to treat- Well, I'm not sure I can clarify better than I have. I provided you with some information I remembered from that article where over 600 docs were surveyed, combined with a mental compilation of my colleagues over the years, of which there have been hundreds, as well as my personal opinion based on experience and everything taken together. What's your point? I can't really offer much on the topic of equine back pain. My experience is limited to one horse, and the pain resolved after one chiro treatment.
This has been a fun topic to toss around- but I am afraid it has ran it's course. I respect you for your education and your expertise in the field of medicine, even though I didn't express it previously- you asked if there were any certified experts here on BHW and yes, there is at least one, and it is me. I am pretty sure I've proven that by now. Thanks for the chit chat -
eta: I feel this is an appropriate moment for me to step away from this, I think I've covered my arse pretty well!
^^^^^ THIS......due to the condecending nature of her posts....I personally (and am sure many others) quit reading and dismissed her posts. That is a shame because she COULD have taken that time and energy used to "snipe" at others to REALLY educate..... | |
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Location: In my own little world | Trickster I see nothing condescending in what you have said. Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean it is condescending. But people read into things what they want and I am no different. I believe Bear made this post to to be onery and raise some hackles. I don't need a flipping piece of paper hanging on my wall whether it be from Harvard, Computer U, or a Cracker Jack box to tell me that. And that is why others did not jump to your support you. They have been there done that. It isn't that there is no one agreeing with you, it's we have learned something's aren't worth going their by playing that game with the trap that was set. | |
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Trickster I see nothing condescending in what you have said. Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean it is condescending. But people read into things what they want and I am no different. I believe Bear made this post to to be onery and raise some hackles. I don't need a flipping piece of paper hanging on my wall whether it be from Harvard, Computer U, or a Cracker Jack box to tell me that. And that is why others did not jump to your support you. They have been there done that. It isn't that there is no one agreeing with you, it's we have learned something's aren't worth going their by playing that game with the trap that was set.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | GLP - 2016-06-02 3:16 PM ropenrun - 2016-06-02 2:51 PM Trickster I see nothing condescending in what you have said. Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean it is condescending. But people read into things what they want and I am no different. I believe Bear made this post to to be onery and raise some hackles. I don't need a flipping piece of paper hanging on my wall whether it be from Harvard, Computer U, or a Cracker Jack box to tell me that. And that is why others did not jump to your support you. They have been there done that. It isn't that there is no one agreeing with you, it's we have learned something's aren't worth going their by playing that game with the trap that was set. We'll said.
Perhaps, you should go back and re-read a few posts.....Here's just a few but I can CERTAINLY find you more.....If she had taken as much time to actually try to educate people maybe....just maybe....she would get the respect that she thinks she is due......
It's very obvious you started this thread to take a cheap poke at those of us who are certified in our alternative health related modalities.
eta: were you really trying to "save" your BB's here from quackery and gimmicks by starting this post? What besides your own opinion qualifies you to even know the difference between them and legit therapies? Did you attend a professional course to educate yourself on all aspects of these treatments? Or do you just choose to share your unprofessional opinion to everyone whenever you feel particularly inclined to do so? I may be completely wrong here, but I take you as the type of internet "expert" who spends hours scouring the internet for articles that support your most dominant theory-
to this post I will say that you are definitely not qualified to have a verifiable opinion on this subject.
you just verified that you are indeed an internet "expert" who researches only those topics that support your narrow minded and uneducated theory- why not slip over to the dark side and read something that is peer reviewed and scholarly?
You aren't very fun to have an argument with- not even a simple minded one
you're too funny- your assumptions make me giggle
so that explains why you are a bit outdated
So do you understand the difference between an equine anatomical and biomechanical specialist vs a human vascular nerve specialist
this is awesome dialogue- I'm earning post points and stars- maybe someday I will have as many as you and then I'll really be an "expert
AND there are MANY more........................................
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Nevertooold - 2016-06-02 2:15 PM I personally like someone that says it like it is and how they feel and don't use BS words to cover up their true feelings. Both Bear and Trickster are very confident, educated people and beause of this they are the kind of medical people I seek out for help. I don't want a professional too doubt anything they do. Both of these people display this characteristic.
One main problem.
Trickster isn't a medical professional. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-02 3:33 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-02 2:15 PM I personally like someone that says it like it is and how they feel and don't use BS words to cover up their true feelings. Both Bear and Trickster are very confident, educated people and beause of this they are the kind of medical people I seek out for help. I don't want a professional too doubt anything they do. Both of these people display this characteristic. One main problem.
Trickster isn't a medical professional.
You're right...she is a health professional and Bear is a medical professional | |
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| NJJ - 2016-06-02 3:25 PM
GLP - 2016-06-02 3:16 PM ropenrun - 2016-06-02 2:51 PM Trickster I see nothing condescending in what you have said. Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean it is condescending. But people read into things what they want and I am no different. I believe Bear made this post to to be onery and raise some hackles. I don't need a flipping piece of paper hanging on my wall whether it be from Harvard, Computer U, or a Cracker Jack box to tell me that. And that is why others did not jump to your support you. They have been there done that. It isn't that there is no one agreeing with you, it's we have learned something's aren't worth going their by playing that game with the trap that was set. We'll said.
 It's very obvious you started this thread to take a cheap poke at those of us who are certified in our alternative health related modalities.  eta:  were you really trying to "save" your BB's here from quackery and gimmicks by starting this post?  What besides your own opinion qualifies you to even know the difference between them and legit therapies?  Did you attend a professional course to educate yourself on all aspects of these treatments?  Or do you just choose to share your unprofessional opinion to everyone whenever you feel particularly inclined to do so?  I may be completely wrong here, but I take you as the type of internet "expert" who spends hours scouring the internet for articles that support your most dominant theory- to this post I will say that you are definitely not qualified to have a verifiable opinion on this subject. you just verified that you are indeed an internet "expert" who researches only those topics that support your narrow minded and uneducated theory-  why not slip over to the dark side and read something that is peer reviewed and scholarly? You aren't very fun to have an argument with- not even a simple minded one you're too funny- your assumptions make me giggle so that explains why you are a bit outdated So do you understand the difference between an equine anatomical and biomechanical specialist vs a human vascular nerve specialist this is awesome dialogue- I'm earning post points and stars- maybe someday I will have as many as you and then I'll really be an "expert AND there are MANY more........................................Â
I read them. I just didn't come to the same conclusion you did. If someone doesn't see things the way I do, it doesn't bother me, the world would be a boring place if we all saw things the exact same way. | |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-30 11:01 PM
When I was a young boy, my granddad gave me his definition of an EXPERT
and it has stuck with me all my life ..
EX ... is a has-been
SPURT ... is a drip under pressure
NUFF SAID ..
That one and an expert is anyone who lives over fifty miles away from you. | |
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