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Location: Texas | I want to add, I like the Omnis cubes. I especially love it when I travel and have one 50 lb bag of feed, while my friends tote hay, grain etc. and wear themselves out. We're all on the older side, so this is a big help to me. |
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A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 9:28 AM Tdove - 2016-06-09 10:20 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 6:32 AM oats or oat hay
the analysis is the same, so the analysis is the same.
Just like others that are trying to sell shat to folks on this site Tdove and RG attempt to besmirch another product, either overtly or blatantly when in fact they are both pretty much the same product with a different color bag. Looking at protein, fat, fiber on a feed tag is a very poor way to compare and evaluate feeds. I tried this on my wife once. For our anniversary I took her for hotdogs instead of a steak.....even though they have the same basic analysis. I could mix you up a feather meal, straw, and lard pellet that would match the analysis you are quoting. This is a fact. Alfalfa and 10% oats (while a good forage cube ), is not the same nutritionally as a Alfalfa, 15% oat grain, 2.5% flax cube. Just the energy value alone would be 10-15% higher, besides a host of other nutrient profile differences.
Those of you that sell shat on here could learn from Winwillows.
Maybe that could be a side biz for him, teaching you folks how to market your goods without being a shill
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One Grateful Mom
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Location: wolverton,mn | No one really gets away with being a ass. People see it,it's not hard to spot. People learn to ignore the person and behavior. Some people just like to belittle and be rude. If you give them enough rope they'll hang themselves,but no one cares. It's quite humorous and disgusting at the same time |
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Location: Oklahoma | okhorselover - 2016-06-12 9:31 PM
rachellyn80 - 2016-06-10 5:55 AM
If there's one thing that I learned last year, it's that most of our vets no absolutely nothing at all that's useful about nutrition. Many of the vet schools also receive large donations from the big feed companies. Unless their primary focus is equine nutrition it's like going to your general practitioner to find out what you should be eating yourself....in general, they'll have an idea, but that's about it.
Hmmm, I will have to share your comment with Dr White as just Friday we talked to him about nutrition. He feels our feeding program is fine & my horse didn't look like **** as you told me. He said my mare looked just fine.
Wow, what a passive aggressive comment. The nice thing about all of this is you can take what you want from it. No one forces you to feed a certain feed. Comments like this should be kept in a private manner as so many others on this thread. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Fun2Run - 2016-06-12 9:34 PM 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 9:28 AM Tdove - 2016-06-09 10:20 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 6:32 AM oats or oat hay
the analysis is the same, so the analysis is the same.
Just like others that are trying to sell shat to folks on this site Tdove and RG attempt to besmirch another product, either overtly or blatantly when in fact they are both pretty much the same product with a different color bag. Looking at protein, fat, fiber on a feed tag is a very poor way to compare and evaluate feeds. I tried this on my wife once. For our anniversary I took her for hotdogs instead of a steak.....even though they have the same basic analysis. I could mix you up a feather meal, straw, and lard pellet that would match the analysis you are quoting. This is a fact. Alfalfa and 10% oats (while a good forage cube ), is not the same nutritionally as a Alfalfa, 15% oat grain, 2.5% flax cube. Just the energy value alone would be 10-15% higher, besides a host of other nutrient profile differences.
Those of you that sell shat on here could learn from Winwillows.
Maybe that could be a side biz for him, teaching you folks how to market your goods without being a shill
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Tdove - 2016-06-10 12:18 PM
Bear - 2016-06-09 8:48 AM
I haven't used cubes but have considered it. I'm trying to learn something from this thread and it sounds a lot like one of those threads where people debate which pickup is superior. We have Omnis, Hay Rite, Mustang Sally (my favorite because I like the song), Bryant, Danco, and Standlee. Have I missed any? Like so many other threads, I'm always asking myself who, among the posters, is a seller or dealer.
To my way of thinking, it sounds like there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between most of these, assuming the assays on the tags are correct. Assuming my horses would probably eat them all, the only other things to consider is availability and cost. I haven't learned much about cost from this.
For strictly forage cubes, that is somewhat correct. Danco Forage is the maker of Mustang Sally and Omnis CP. Mustang Sally is our 100% alfalfa cube and is comparable to the ones you mentioned. Looking at these cubes it is not merely price. There are some differences and much of that will be personal preference. Some are larger cubes, some are smaller, some are a harder cube, some are softer. Even the quality of hay in the cube may vary from company to company. There are people that prefer each cube over the other for various reasons important to them and of course price plays a role, but for many people, it is not the only factor.
You may or may not feel Omnis should be included in that discussion. Omnis is generally more expensive because we are using more expensive, high energy ingredients and additional processes of manufacture this unique cube. Personally, I see Omnis as a complete cube and a concentrate replacement, while the forage cubes are more just a forage replacement. I feel quite comfortable paying more for Omnis than other cubes, because the benefits I have seen, I feel they are better than any other cube, including our own Mustang Sally cube. In addition I feel our service and transparency is better than other feed companies and products in general. We are one of the only companies that I am aware of that reports not only exact ingredients, but the level of each included. Attached is a picture of the Omnis information sheet.
To answer your other question, as you surely are aware, I do represent Danco and sell our products. I have fed most all other cubes extensively before we started Danco. I try to make all of my information accurate and unbiased. I am also the developer of Omnis, at first with the only intention of using it in our own training and breeding operation. I feel that service and reputation of companies is also an important factor, one that which I strive to serve customers with the same standard of practice that I am looking for in my own equine operation. Rachelynn80 is also a dealer and user for Omnis. She had a bad contamination episode in her barn and had been feeding and searching for feed products to safely rebuild her horses' health and had tried many things. She started on Omnis, and it worked so well, she decided to be a dealer to offer our cube in her area.
I appreciate the info. We have abundant pasture, and I've been thinking along the lines of replacing our current grain feeding regimen....toying with the idea. It was the Omnis cubes that I was considering. |
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Location: Texas | I really like how my horses are doing on the Omnis cubes but I've had bags come in with twine in them also. ?? That makes me nervous. |
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I just read the headlines
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| I haven't found any twine yet in my bags, but I do find loose twine in my hay bales and debris (clods of lint/dirt, pieces of corn, pellets) in my bagged feeds, no matter what brand I bought. I do look for foreign objects to be proactive, but I think sometimes they just get in there with no one noticing. I have learned to keep an eye out.  |
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Location: Texas | I happen to be in the area of a dealer on Wednesday so I bought two bags of the Omnis to try, but I can't get the horse I want on them to eat them! My other two eat them just fine but they don't need them. I hand fed him a couple as treats and he spit half of it out. He would rather eat the alfalfa hay & coastal hay over the Omnis cubes. I haven't restricted him to only the Omnis cubes to see if he would eventually eat them because I am not 100% sure I want to drive 2 hours round trip to get them. And this particular horse makes life difficult if he doesn't like what is in his feed pan by dumping it, pooping in it, wasting it, etc. So not sure it is worth trying to force him to eat them! Anyone else's horse not like them? |
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Location: NE Texas | TBone - 2016-09-30 8:36 AM I happen to be in the area of a dealer on Wednesday so I bought two bags of the Omnis to try, but I can't get the horse I want on them to eat them! My other two eat them just fine but they don't need them. I hand fed him a couple as treats and he spit half of it out. He would rather eat the alfalfa hay & coastal hay over the Omnis cubes. I haven't restricted him to only the Omnis cubes to see if he would eventually eat them because I am not 100% sure I want to drive 2 hours round trip to get them. And this particular horse makes life difficult if he doesn't like what is in his feed pan by dumping it, pooping in it, wasting it, etc. So not sure it is worth trying to force him to eat them! Anyone else's horse not like them?
This is pretty much the experience I had as well. The horse that I really wanted them for wouldn't eat them, even when I restricted him to just the cubes. My horses are all already on an alfalfa/oat diet, so I really didn't think it would be an issue transitioning them to the cubes, but the main one I was seeking them for turned his nose up repeatedly at them. All of my other horses had no issue eating them, but like you, I can't justify the trip to get them if i'm still going to have to buy loose hay. I love the product and didn't see any issues with the quality of the cubes, and truly wish this gelding would have done better, but after 2 days of nothing but offering the cubes and him not eating a full scoop, I just went back to my regular alfalfa and whole oats. |
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Location: Texas | Yep, I am feeding alfalfa pellets & oats with my Curost Total and pretty much free choice alfalfa & coastal hay and pasture. Guess that is what I will stick to since that is what he likes! I have tried going 100% alfalfa, but he just won't clean up all the alfalfa & still wants coastal. And I have to have coastal for the other two easy keepers anyways. He is quite the character but I do LOVE him.  |
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| I started feeding the Omnis cubes about 6-8 months ago as the hay that I was getting was not very good and I started having all kinds of issues. I also do not have access to alfalfa hay. I have 3, a 28 year old, 18 year old and a 16 year old, 2 geldings and one mare. My 28 year old was dropping weight and I didn't just want to overload his system by adding in grain. My horses all love them!! they whiny for them at feeding time. My farrier commented the last time he was out how much their feet had grown through the summer heat. My 28 year old started picking up weight and my other two did also so I have cut down on them two. I am very happy with the Omnis cubes. Yes I have found green twine in them that was off of the top of the bag when you open it and some of it was falling off. They have changed how they sew them up now and you don't get that. I will admit, the travel time is a bummer but I generally stock up and hope that I only have to make the trip twice a month. All in all very pleased with the product. I am sorry that those of you whose horses won't eat the Omnis cube. I also feed THE MM to my 28 year old and the CurOst to the other two. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I went back to the Mustang Sally cubes as my horse wasn't eating the OMNI's very well and I got tired of fighting the mouse problem. |
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| Yes I have had that issue as well. I have those sticky things all around the cubes. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I'm surprised Tdoves bat signal hasn't melted down by now.
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Location: CTX | I found some green twine in them a couple of months ago, but liek someone else mentioned I find stuff in my coastal also. I don't think you can completely rule that out, since ignorant people just through stuff out the car or drop it where they stand, and the wind will pick it up.
But I just pm'ed TDOVE with the tag information so they at least can inform the farm they got the alfalfa from. After that I've not noticed anything. I just keep an eye on it when I put it in the buckets. |
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I just read the headlines
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| Nevertooold - 2016-09-30 11:17 AM
I went back to the Mustang Sally cubes as my horse wasn't eating the OMNI's very well and I got tired of fighting the mouse problem.
Man, the mice LOVE those Omni cubes! I also went to the Mustang Sally cubes, but mostly because I have 2 that just don't do well mentally with any grain at all.  |
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| I should probably clarify that I put those sticky things around my pallets that I have the "bags" of cubes on to catch the mice. LOL I re-read my post. It's Friday what can I say. |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sandok - 2016-09-30 3:48 PM I should probably clarify that I put those sticky things around my pallets that I have the "bags" of cubes on to catch the mice. LOL I re-read my post. It's Friday what can I say.
I understood what you meant. We have mouse traps all over the place as the sticky glue things would get full of dirt and hay. |
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Location: Georgia | Slightly off topic but I cant get Omnis cubes in north GA (that I know of). My choices are Stanlee, HayRite, Danco and Seminole.. I havent fed Stanlee or HayRite because they use Ben. as a binding agent and I also heard that means the hay isnt top quality. Ive been feeding Danco over Seminole for convince reasons but it wouldn't take much for me to drive a little out of the way for Seminole.
Those of you that have knowledge on these brands, which would you feed? |
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