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Location: North Texas | I believe the term is called 'perjury'. Oh wait! That is under oath! But yet in the court of public opinion, lyin' is frowned or looked down on. So, yes, perjury is still the crime. For the court of public opinion has ruled. |
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| Bear - 2016-08-04 9:58 PM
Vickie - 2016-08-04 9:03 PM
What crime has Hillary committed? If you are just talking about Bengazi then every person ever in power and every military officer is a criminal. Just because one of your employees is killed by someone doesn't make you a criminal.
Is it a crime to lie to the FBI?
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| Vickie - 2016-08-04 9:03 PM
What crime has Hillary committed? If you are just talking about Bengazi then every person ever in power and every military officer is a criminal. Just because one of your employees is killed by someone doesn't make you a criminal.
I don't know if you are being condescending or serious.
The FBI just found Hillary guilty of extreme carelessness with classified information. The reason people are angry is because she didn't get charged. There are people who did way less and got discharged from the services or are sitting in Leavenworth.
On a prior page, there is a good video of Trey Gowdy asking Comey questions about it.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren. |
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Location: Florida | Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron. Politicians are the biggest liars in the world. |
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-05 9:55 AM
Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron.  Politicians are the biggest liars in the world.Â
However, lying under Oath, whether to Congress or Court is Perjury. Vickie, are you capable of disputing this? |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome.
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Location: North Texas | SC Wrangler - 2016-08-05 1:01 PM
Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Â Â Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.Â
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. Â Â This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome. Â
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I agree, but with a 'qualifier', In general Conservatives and Constitutionalists do NOT use inflammatory language in a discussions/debates. But facts and references. The Opposition on the other hand, uses 'feelings' in lieu of sound logical arguments. And when that does work, then the insults and incriminating comments comes out in full force!
Been on the receiving end more 'n once!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | foundation horse - 2016-08-05 1:04 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-08-05 1:01 PM Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren. What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome.
I agree, but with a 'qualifier', In general Conservatives and Constitutionalists do NOT use inflammatory language in a discussions/debates. But facts and references. The Op position on the other hand, uses 'feelings' in lieu of sound logical arguments. And when that does work, then the insults and incriminating comments comes out in full force! Been on the receiving end more 'n once!
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Location: North Texas | NJJ - 2016-08-05 1:17 PM
foundation horse - 2016-08-05 1:04 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-08-05 1:01 PM Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren. What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Â Â Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.Â
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. Â Â This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome. Â
 I agree, but with a 'qualifier', In general Conservatives and Constitutionalists do NOT use inflammatory language in a discussions/debates. But facts and references. The Op position on the other hand, uses 'feelings' in lieu of sound logical arguments. And when that does work, then the insults and incriminating comments comes out in full force! Been on the receiving end more 'n once!
Nothing to do with being friends. How about using critical thinking skills instead of insults, and inflammatory remarks. Tis not MY fault if People drink the 'Kool Aide' and then have a hard tasting the Really Good Stuff! |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | foundation horse - 2016-08-05 1:42 PM NJJ - 2016-08-05 1:17 PM foundation horse - 2016-08-05 1:04 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-08-05 1:01 PM Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren. What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome.
I agree, but with a 'qualifier', In general Conservatives and Constitutionalists do NOT use inflammatory language in a discussions/debates. But facts and references. The Op position on the other hand, uses 'feelings' in lieu of sound logical arguments. And when that does work, then the insults and incriminating comments comes out in full force! Been on the receiving end more 'n once! Nothing to do with being friends. How about using critical thinking skills instead of insults, and inflammatory remarks. Tis not MY fault if People drink the 'Kool Aide' and then have a hard tasting the Really Good Stuff!
I rest my case!!!! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-05 9:55 AM
Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron.  Politicians are the biggest liars in the world.Â
Thank you, Vickie. You just illustrated my point perfectly.
Keep chiming in. You are very useful. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I learned a long time ago when I took a philosophy class in high school that people are able to rationalize anything if they want to believe a certain way. It could be called a denial of facts. It also matters where you get your "facts" from. If the facts are lies, there's no way to make a rational discernment of the truth. If I watched the lame stream media I might believe differently too. On second thought, NAWWWWWW. I quit watching the news more than a decade ago because I knew they were lying even then. The education system and TV programs have been systematically brainwashing people for decades. |
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Location: Florida | First off, let me blow your mind, I am a life long registered Republican. I would love to vote for moderate Republicans if any would survive the primaries. Secondly, I get involved in these discussions because I do want to understand you guys. You do express views I do not normally hear and I value your opinions. I do not like the name calling and the disrespect, but it is always interesting. I am a poster child for pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and I have trouble understanding people who don't seem to even try. I am so conservative that the term SO bothers me. But I understand that times change and I want to get along with everyone. Politics must be discussed and debated or we become something other than a democracy. Even if Trump were to win, I would never call him names like I read here. So lets keep talking and let the best woman win LOL.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Saying you are a life long "registered Republican" is like saying "I'm not racist....I have friends who are black." Hillary was once a Republican. The GOP is infested with liberals. That's why I'm not a Republican. On the other hand, at least on the national political scene, there is no such thing as a "conservative Democrat." Not anymore. |
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| Vickie - 2016-08-05 3:34 PM
First off, let me blow your mind, I am a life long registered Republican. Â I would love to vote for moderate Republicans if any would survive the primaries. Â Secondly, I get involved in these discussions because I do want to understand you guys. Â You do express views I do not normally hear and I value your opinions. Â I do not like the name calling and the disrespect, but it is always interesting. Â I am a poster child for pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and I have trouble understanding people who don't seem to even try. Â I am so conservative that the term SO bothers me. Â But I understand that times change and I want to get along with everyone. Â Politics must be discussed and debated or we become something other than a democracy. Â Even if Trump were to win, I would never call him names like I read here. Â So lets keep talking and let the best woman win LOL.
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I'm sorry for not responding to you in the kindest way earlier. We are all allowed to view things in our own ways and that's what makes this country so special  |
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Location: Arkansas | Vickie - 2016-08-05 9:55 AM
Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron.  Politicians are the biggest liars in the world.Â
I know I am not overly smart or educated where politics are concerned, but it seems to me you hit the Hillary on the head with that statement about politicians. . . . |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2016-08-05 6:07 PM
Vickie - 2016-08-05 9:55 AM
Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron.  Politicians are the biggest liars in the world.Â
I know I am not overly smart or educated where politics are concerned, but it seems to me you hit the Hillary on the head with that statement about politicians. . . .
Yes, but.....but.....but.....
She's a woman and she gets a pass because she's going to be the first woman president. You know....that glass ceiling and all. Of all the women we could elect, she's one of whom all women can be proud.
Look how she hitched her wagon on to Bill's train, for example, and turned a blind eye to his numerous dalliances and allegations of sexual assaults. We can only hope our daughters demonstrate that kind of opportunism and tolerance. Alas, it all seems to be working out. |
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