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| Sorry 3 4 Luck, I thought you implying that taxes would fund your proposals.....my bad!
As far as the Post Office...in case you haven't noticed, it's failing. And Medicare?? I am guessing you have no real personal experience with it. Many doctors refuse Medicare patients and one needs a good Supplemental policy in order to not go broke if one has any real medical issues. |
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Location: Ky | TXBO - 2016-10-20 4:15 PM jd&ez - 2016-10-20 4:06 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-10-20 3:11 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 11:59 AM TXBO - 2016-10-20 11:52 AM lhighquality - 2016-10-20 11:46 AM 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:18 AM luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
Yes, I have looked at my paycheck & it makes me sick all the money that comes out!!!!!!!!!!! How many good paying jobs do you think could be created in America if companies didn't have to give 40% of earning to the government in taxes? Show me ONE government program run effectively and economically. Remember the $500 wrench or toilet seat or whatever the ridiculous amount for everyday items the government paid for? The only economy your plan helps is to line the pockets of politicians and their cronies and special interest groups. Free college for Heaven's sake??!! Like Big Brother is doing such a jam up job with K thru 12 education.....Common Core? What happened to common sense where 2+2 actually equals 4?
I'll give you another even though you asked for one. Medicare. The MMA of 2003 was W's parting gift to the insurance companies. It's what started the Part D gram and brought back to life Part C which is now called Medicare Advantage.
Part C and D was the beginning of privatizing Medicare. The bill of goods that W signed off on was that private companies could do a better job of providing Medicare than could the government.
It was fully implemented in 2006. Here we are 10 years later and MA costs the taxpayers 15% more than original Medicare. So much for the companies being more efficient.
Those sound bites play well on TV. Even when they are not grounded in reality.
And Medicare? Really? It's fubar and impossible to get accurate numbers.
What private company would do what the post office does better? UPS and FedEx won't even try.
As for Medicare, 10 years shows that private companies can't run it better.
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| Now this guy knows his economic stuff. This has been going on for a couple of decades, not attributable to just one party, BOTH sides are draining us and our economy dry.
https://www.facebook.com/AwarenessAct/videos/1294153087265892/
This link takes you to a FB page. The video I am referring to is titled ' News Anchor Completely loses his sh*t on Live TV"
I have no idea how to find a link that goes directly to the video itself. And here's a surprise, it's NOT Fox News! |
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| jd&ez - 2016-10-20 4:18 PM TXBO - 2016-10-20 4:15 PM jd&ez - 2016-10-20 4:06 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-10-20 3:11 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 11:59 AM TXBO - 2016-10-20 11:52 AM lhighquality - 2016-10-20 11:46 AM 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:18 AM luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
Yes, I have looked at my paycheck & it makes me sick all the money that comes out!!!!!!!!!!! How many good paying jobs do you think could be created in America if companies didn't have to give 40% of earning to the government in taxes? Show me ONE government program run effectively and economically. Remember the $500 wrench or toilet seat or whatever the ridiculous amount for everyday items the government paid for? The only economy your plan helps is to line the pockets of politicians and their cronies and special interest groups. Free college for Heaven's sake??!! Like Big Brother is doing such a jam up job with K thru 12 education.....Common Core? What happened to common sense where 2+2 actually equals 4?
I'll give you another even though you asked for one. Medicare. The MMA of 2003 was W's parting gift to the insurance companies. It's what started the Part D gram and brought back to life Part C which is now called Medicare Advantage.
Part C and D was the beginning of privatizing Medicare. The bill of goods that W signed off on was that private companies could do a better job of providing Medicare than could the government.
It was fully implemented in 2006. Here we are 10 years later and MA costs the taxpayers 15% more than original Medicare. So much for the companies being more efficient.
Those sound bites play well on TV. Even when they are not grounded in reality.
And Medicare? Really? It's fubar and impossible to get accurate numbers.
As for Medicare, 10 years shows that private companies can't run it better.
You talk in sound bites. How about some facts to back up that nonsense?
http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/674728.pdf
Let me summorize with a few sound bites you'll see:
Unfunded liabilities
Unable to meet pension obligations
Declining revenues
Increasing expenses
Risk to tax payers
You're out of your depth.
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| jd&ez - 2016-10-20 4:18 PM
TXBO - 2016-10-20 4:15 PM jd&ez - 2016-10-20 4:06 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-10-20 3:11 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 11:59 AM TXBO - 2016-10-20 11:52 AM lhighquality - 2016-10-20 11:46 AM 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:18 AM luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AMÂ What private company would do what the post office does better? UPS and FedEx won't even try.Â
As for Medicare, 10 years shows that private companies can't run it better.
You talk in sound bites. How about some facts to back up that nonsense?
Are you aware that the USPS uses UPS to ship many of their packages? So apparently UPS CAN do it better. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-10-20 2:41 PM Frodo - 2016-10-20 2:35 PM SouthTxPonyGirl..............Thanks for that. 
Pretty sad they got in trouble for a candidate that is on their side. Why would they stand behind a candidate that hates the police? LOL
I watched it on TV when Trump was talking with and thanking the officers for their service and they took the picture. I thought it was terrible that they got into trouble for wearing a Trump hat. If it was Hillary..but then again...McManus, the SAPD police chief, is an over paid POS. He never backs his men. He left once to work for the CPS but then came back to be police chief. He needs to stay gone. He's getting $212,000.00 a year while his officers average pay is $46,000.00.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TXBO - 2016-10-20 3:58 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 1:55 PM That's what people don't get about the tax laws too. Yes, they are overly complicated and need an overhaul, BUT... They are written to encourage money to be invested into the economy. And you see temporary tax laws put in place a lot of years to help direct capital investments where they will do the most good in the current situation, like Section 179. Section 179 is a great example of why the tax code needs to be scrapped in favor of a flate tax or consumption tax. The current progressive tax code is manipulated by those with discresionary income and it produces a result that truly burdens the middle class with little to no discretionary income. I know. I used sec. 179, I use off shore accounts and every other legal means of tax avoidance.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-10-20 4:43 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-10-20 2:41 PM Frodo - 2016-10-20 2:35 PM SouthTxPonyGirl..............Thanks for that.
I watched it on TV when Trump was talking with and thanking the officers for their service and they took the picture. I thought it was terrible that they got into trouble for wearing a Trump hat. If it was Hillary..but then again...McManus, the SAPD police chief, is an over paid POS. He never backs his men. He left once to work for the CPS but then came back to be police chief. He needs to stay gone. He's getting $212,000.00 a year while his officers average pay is $46,000.00.
Yep its pretty sad for these men to get in trouble for wearing Trumps caps and for believeing in someone that they trust. Now if it were ole Killary noone would have said a darn word.. McManus should have stood behind his men, what a jerk. he should have stayed at CPS. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 4:50 PM TXBO - 2016-10-20 3:58 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 1:55 PM That's what people don't get about the tax laws too. Yes, they are overly complicated and need an overhaul, BUT... They are written to encourage money to be invested into the economy. And you see temporary tax laws put in place a lot of years to help direct capital investments where they will do the most good in the current situation, like Section 179. Section 179 is a great example of why the tax code needs to be scrapped in favor of a flate tax or consumption tax. The current progressive tax code is manipulated by those with discresionary income and it produces a result that truly burdens the middle class with little to no discretionary income. I know. I used sec. 179, I use off shore accounts and every other legal means of tax avoidance.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | TXBO - 2016-10-20 4:32 PM
jd&ez - 2016-10-20 4:18 PM TXBO - 2016-10-20 4:15 PM jd&ez - 2016-10-20 4:06 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-10-20 3:11 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 11:59 AM TXBO - 2016-10-20 11:52 AM lhighquality - 2016-10-20 11:46 AM 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:18 AM luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country?  how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
 Yes, I have looked at my paycheck & it makes me sick all the money that comes out!!!!!!!!!!! How many good paying jobs do you think could be created in America if companies didn't have to give 40% of earning to the government in taxes? Show me ONE government program run effectively and economically. Remember the $500 wrench or toilet seat or whatever the ridiculous amount for everyday items the government paid for? The only economy your plan helps is to line the pockets of politicians and their cronies and special interest groups. Free college for Heaven's sake??!! Like Big Brother is doing such a jam up job with K thru 12 education.....Common Core? What happened to common sense where 2+2 actually equals 4?
I'll give you another even though you asked for one. Medicare. The MMA of 2003 was W's parting gift to the insurance companies. Â It's what started the Part D gram and brought back to life Part C which is now called Medicare Advantage.
Part C and D was the beginning of privatizing Medicare. The bill of goods that W signed off on was that private companies could do a better job of providing Medicare than could the government.
It was fully implemented in 2006. Here we are 10 years later and MA costs the taxpayers 15% more than original Medicare. So much for the companies being more efficient.
Those sound bites play well on TV. Even when they are not grounded in reality.
And Medicare? Â Really? Â It's fubar and impossible to get accurate numbers.Â
As for Medicare, 10 years shows that private companies can't run it better.
You talk in sound bites. How about some facts to back up that nonsense?http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/674728.pdf Let me summorize with a few sound bites you'll see:
Unfunded liabilities
Unable to meet pension obligations
Declining revenues
Increasing expenses
Risk to tax payers
You're out of your depth.Â
I just thank God there are people like you who are still around, Jim. At least it gives me some small vestige of hope.
I have to confess I've been pretty blue these days. I just don't see a whole lot of reasons out there to be optimistic for our future, as a nation. I'm to the point where I'm just resigned to hunkering down and preparing for the inevitable....a huge correction, and by that I'm not just talking about the markets. The inertia has been toward a socialist utopia for the last 25 years, or more. Even if Trump wins the election, he will be up against the career politicians and a political establishment that will stifle anything he wants to get done, so one way of looking at a Hillary presidency is maybe the "reset" we obviously need will be hastened. In other words, if the sheeple get what they want, maybe they will learn the hard way. I think 1DSoon nailed it when he/she said hunger is a great motivator, but that won't happen until the very end. |
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| Bear - 2016-10-20 5:06 PM I just thank God there are people like you who are still around, Jim. At least it gives me some small vestige of hope. I have to confess I've been pretty blue these days. I just don't see a whole lot of reasons out there to be optimistic for our future, as a nation. I'm to the point where I'm just resigned to hunkering down and preparing for the inevitable....a huge correction, and by that I'm not just talking about the markets. The inertia has been toward a socialist utopia for the last 25 years, or more. Even if Trump wins the election, he will be up against the career politicians and a political establishment that will stifle anything he wants to get done, so one way of looking at a Hillary presidency is maybe the "reset" we obviously need will be hastened. In other words, if the sheeple get what they want, maybe they will learn the hard way. I think 1DSoon nailed it when he/she said hunger is a great motivator, but that won't happen until the very end. Bear, I certainly understand your dispair. I want my children to grow up in a free America where the Constitution is respected and followed. It's been more than 25 years of deterioration of rights. I still want to believe that we can get back to respecting the Constitution but it also would be incrimentally. This President will most certainly set the judiciary for a generation. The correct justices could reverse the pendulum. The wrong justices will take us to testing remedies within the Constitution that are unprecedented in over 200 years. It would be both facinating and harrowing. Unlike the incremental deterioration of state's rights through the commerce clause, attacks on the 1st and 2nd amendment will most certainly be met with resistence. Civil disobedience is most assured but I remain hopeful that peaceful solutions can be reached. We have Article 5 convention as a next step and then seccession will be on the table.
All of this might be good in the long run. My faith tells me that God institutes governments. Maybe he's not though humbling us. I'll just trust his will. We are certainly at such a division in our government that something has to change. We haven't passed a budget in 8 years. We have 8 Supreme Court Justices. Our government is at a stand still. I just pray that corrections can be peaceful.
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Bear - 2016-10-20 5:06 PM Â I just thank God there are people like you who are still around, Jim. At least it gives me some small vestige of hope. I have to confess I've been pretty blue these days. I just don't see a whole lot of reasons out there to be optimistic for our future, as a nation. I'm to the point where I'm just resigned to hunkering down and preparing for the inevitable....a huge correction, and by that I'm not just talking about the markets. The inertia has been toward a socialist utopia for the last 25 years, or more. Even if Trump wins the election, he will be up against the career politicians and a political establishment that will stifle anything he wants to get done, so one way of looking at a Hillary presidency is maybe the "reset" we obviously need will be hastened. In other words, if the sheeple get what they want, maybe they will learn the hard way. I think 1DSoon nailed it when he/she said hunger is a great motivator, but that won't happen until the very end. Â Bear, I certainly understand your dispair. Â I want my children to grow up in a free America where the Constitution is respected and followed. Â It's been more than 25 years of deterioration of rights. Â I still want to believe that we can get back to respecting the Constitution but it also would be incrimentally. Â This President will most certainly set the judiciary for a generation. Â The correct justices could reverse the pendulum. Â The wrong justices will take us to testing remedies within the Constitution that are unprecedented in over 200 years. Â It would be both facinating and harrowing. Â Unlike the incremental deterioration of state's rights through the commerce clause, attacks on the 1st and 2nd amendment will most certainly be met with resistence. Â Civil disobedience is most assured but I remain hopeful that peaceful solutions can be reached. Â We have Article 5 convention as a next step and then seccession will be on the table.
All of this might be good in the long run. Â My faith tells me that God institutes governments. Â Maybe he's not though humbling us. Â I'll just trust his will. Â We are certainly at such a division in our government that something has to change. Â We haven't passed a budget in 8 years. Â We have 8 Supreme Court Justices. Â Our government is at a stand still. Â I just pray that corrections can be peaceful.Â
I agree with both of you on our present state and the sad direction it is headed. However I think we are far closer to our second civil war than you think. |
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| jbhoot - 2016-10-20 6:09 PM TXBO - 2016-10-20 5:37 PM Bear - 2016-10-20 5:06 PM I just thank God there are people like you who are still around, Jim. At least it gives me some small vestige of hope. I have to confess I've been pretty blue these days. I just don't see a whole lot of reasons out there to be optimistic for our future, as a nation. I'm to the point where I'm just resigned to hunkering down and preparing for the inevitable....a huge correction, and by that I'm not just talking about the markets. The inertia has been toward a socialist utopia for the last 25 years, or more. Even if Trump wins the election, he will be up against the career politicians and a political establishment that will stifle anything he wants to get done, so one way of looking at a Hillary presidency is maybe the "reset" we obviously need will be hastened. In other words, if the sheeple get what they want, maybe they will learn the hard way. I think 1DSoon nailed it when he/she said hunger is a great motivator, but that won't happen until the very end. Bear, I certainly understand your dispair. I want my children to grow up in a free America where the Constitution is respected and followed. It's been more than 25 years of deterioration of rights. I still want to believe that we can get back to respecting the Constitution but it also would be incrimentally. This President will most certainly set the judiciary for a generation. The correct justices could reverse the pendulum. The wrong justices will take us to testing remedies within the Constitution that are unprecedented in over 200 years. It would be both facinating and harrowing. Unlike the incremental deterioration of state's rights through the commerce clause, attacks on the 1st and 2nd amendment will most certainly be met with resistence. Civil disobedience is most assured but I remain hopeful that peaceful solutions can be reached. We have Article 5 convention as a next step and then seccession will be on the table.
All of this might be good in the long run. My faith tells me that God institutes governments. Maybe he's not though humbling us. I'll just trust his will. We are certainly at such a division in our government that something has to change. We haven't passed a budget in 8 years. We have 8 Supreme Court Justices. Our government is at a stand still. I just pray that corrections can be peaceful.
I agree with both of you on our present state and the sad direction it is headed. However I think we are far closer to our second civil war than you think.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | What is required to convene an article V convention of the states? Is that even plausible? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2016-10-20 6:43 PM What is required to convene an article V convention of the states? Is that even plausible?
I posted this on another thread....2/3 of BOTH houses of Congress ... OR.....application by 2/3 of the state's legislatures. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2016-10-20 7:00 PM
Bear - 2016-10-20 6:43 PM What is required to convene an article V convention of the states? Is that even plausible?
I posted this on another thread....2/3Â of BOTH houses of Congress ... OR.....application by 2/3 of the state's legislatures.
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| Bear - 2016-10-20 8:51 PM NJJ - 2016-10-20 7:00 PM Bear - 2016-10-20 6:43 PM What is required to convene an article V convention of the states? Is that even plausible? I posted this on another thread....2/3 of BOTH houses of Congress ... OR.....application by 2/3 of the state's legislatures. So, if 2/3rds of the state legislatures vote in favor, that's all it takes?
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| Bear - 2016-10-20 6:43 PM What is required to convene an article V convention of the states? Is that even plausible?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I just don't see it ever happening. It's too tall an order, by design.
I am having a hard time imagining we will ever get things on the right track without widespread uprising or revolt. People like Soros and the Obamunists want chaos, I realize, but I'm not sure they are going to like the kind of civil disobedience, or even worse, I'm envisioning. More and more, people are beginning to realize the widespread corruption.
Trump's call for term limits is probably looked at as a Hail Mary, but it is a very popular position. It will never happen, in my opinion. |
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Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 4:50 PM
TXBO - 2016-10-20 3:58 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-20 1:55 PM   That's what people don't get about the tax laws too.  Yes, they are overly complicated and need an overhaul, BUT...  They are written to encourage money to be invested into the economy.  And you see temporary tax laws put in place a lot of years to help direct capital investments where they will do the most good in the current situation, like Section 179.  Section 179 is a great example of why the tax code needs to be scrapped in favor of a flate tax or consumption tax.  The current progressive tax code is manipulated by those with discresionary income and it produces a result that truly burdens the middle class with little to no discretionary income.  I know.  I used sec. 179, I use off shore accounts and every other legal means of tax avoidance.
It's a godsend for a lot of my clients, and I promise they're middle-class!!! |
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