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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-30 9:18 PM
PS u do realize pesticide includes herbicides, right?
Most of our hay around here is regular old fashioned alfalfa and non round up ready so once it is established it is not sprayed but round up ready hay is sprayed several times in the process of getting it going. The hay I bought was not sprayed with anything besides round up two years prior, we sent hay samples in to be tested and it came back with round up in the hay even after two years. You can do a lot of reading about it of course you have to try and weed through all the crazies on both sides of it. We checked for all things, including the preservative that some hay producers use to get hay up a little green , it is causing a lot of problems as well. The only thing that showed up was glysophate, do you know you can test for almost anything for free to about $30 but if you want a glysophate test you pay $300 for one single sample . It is easy to say a product is safe if people can't afford to test stuff when an issue comes up. I understand why it is used and have no issue with farmers wanting to use it but after my ordeal I just can't justify feeding my animals any hay the is round up ready. I could find all I have read it but I have also talked to so many people who know the issue well. Idaho is having issues now with round up ready hay and are not able to move it like they use to. The guy we got some hay from stopped growing it because he was losing animals to it. They have figured out that if the hay is cut prebloom it is far more dangerous if it is cut late the issues seem to be much less. I will try to dig up all I had and I know so many people who feed it but when I start asking them questions on a few things about their animals a pattern starts to show up very similar to the beginnings of my ordeal. At first you wouldn't have thought much of what was happening it seemed like normal horse things but it ramped up to severe after about 5 months into feeding it. Let me see what I can find that I can share but really if you go look for it you can find studies and lots of info. Thanks for your side of it I am not some big hater that is afraid to learn or listen but this literally sunk us. I have to sell my stud, my mares and everything I can to recoup. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | cutnrunqhmt - 2016-10-30 10:04 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-30 9:18 PM PS u do realize pesticide includes herbicides, right? Most of our hay around here is regular old fashioned alfalfa and non round up ready so once it is established it is not sprayed but round up ready hay is sprayed several times in the process of getting it going. The hay I bought was not sprayed with anything besides round up two years prior, we sent hay samples in to be tested and it came back with round up in the hay even after two years. You can do a lot of reading about it of course you have to try and weed through all the crazies on both sides of it. We checked for all things, including the preservative that some hay producers use to get hay up a little green , it is causing a lot of problems as well. The only thing that showed up was glysophate, do you know you can test for almost anything for free to about $30 but if you want a glysophate test you pay $300 for one single sample . It is easy to say a product is safe if people can't afford to test stuff when an issue comes up. I understand why it is used and have no issue with farmers wanting to use it but after my ordeal I just can't justify feeding my animals any hay the is round up ready. I could find all I have read it but I have also talked to so many people who know the issue well. Idaho is having issues now with round up ready hay and are not able to move it like they use to. The guy we got some hay from stopped growing it because he was losing animals to it. They have figured out that if the hay is cut prebloom it is far more dangerous if it is cut late the issues seem to be much less. I will try to dig up all I had and I know so many people who feed it but when I start asking them questions on a few things about their animals a pattern starts to show up very similar to the beginnings of my ordeal. At first you wouldn't have thought much of what was happening it seemed like normal horse things but it ramped up to severe after about 5 months into feeding it. Let me see what I can find that I can share but really if you go look for it you can find studies and lots of info. Thanks for your side of it I am not some big hater that is afraid to learn or listen but this literally sunk us. I have to sell my stud, my mares and everything I can to recoup.
I would be very interested to read your info. I don't doubt that something caused your issues, but I would like to dig deeper on this. Are you positive they told the truth about when it was sprayed? | |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 8:54 AM
cutnrunqhmt - 2016-10-30 10:04 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-30 9:18 PM PS u do realize pesticide includes herbicides, right? Most of our hay around here is regular old fashioned alfalfa and non round up ready so once it is established it is not sprayed but round up ready hay is sprayed several times in the process of getting it going. The hay I bought was not sprayed with anything besides round up two years prior, we sent hay samples in to be tested and it came back with round up in the hay even after two years. You can do a lot of reading about it of course you have to try and weed through all the crazies on both sides of it. We checked for all things, including the preservative that some hay producers use to get hay up a little green , it is causing a lot of problems as well. The only thing that showed up was glysophate, do you know you can test for almost anything for free to about $30 but if you want a glysophate test you pay $300 for one single sample . It is easy to say a product is safe if people can't afford to test stuff when an issue comes up. I understand why it is used and have no issue with farmers wanting to use it but after my ordeal I just can't justify feeding my animals any hay the is round up ready. I could find all I have read it but I have also talked to so many people who know the issue well. Idaho is having issues now with round up ready hay and are not able to move it like they use to. The guy we got some hay from stopped growing it because he was losing animals to it. They have figured out that if the hay is cut prebloom it is far more dangerous if it is cut late the issues seem to be much less. I will try to dig up all I had and I know so many people who feed it but when I start asking them questions on a few things about their animals a pattern starts to show up very similar to the beginnings of my ordeal. At first you wouldn't have thought much of what was happening it seemed like normal horse things but it ramped up to severe after about 5 months into feeding it. Let me see what I can find that I can share but really if you go look for it you can find studies and lots of info. Thanks for your side of it I am not some big hater that is afraid to learn or listen but this literally sunk us. I have to sell my stud, my mares and everything I can to recoup.
Pretty sure but even if it was sprayed this year it should not have round up in the hay. My chiro lost a horse from round up this year as well when he got on a field that had been sprayed a day or so prior. There were also several more horses who were being fed the same hay I had that died, were sick or had some of the other issues mine were having. It was most certainly the cause there is no doubt to me. I know I can not convince everyone of that but lucky for me I don't have to . There were no weeds, no other spray, no toxins in my soil or water, no mold, nutrients were fine , no nitrate issues we were pretty much left with the option and the only positive test which was round up in my hay. I tell people if you truly believe it is totally safe to eat on a daily basis then eat some even a very small amount daily. I can pretty much tell you that you will not fair well. I guess there could have been some odd unknown issue that you could not find in test but as soon as the hay was removed my horses started regaining their health. I had to treat 20 horses for ulcer, had many vet visits, and continue to keep some of them on ulcer supplements . I will find some of the things I read and try to send them on to you but you can do a lot of reading just by looking it up. There is plenty of info from non wackado sources . I don't argue with anyone on this I believe it and have been shown enough evidence to prove it and certainly you or anyone else is welcome to believe otherwise. | |
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| First of all, hay producers nurture their grass in their hay fields. They would not spray a field with ROUNDUP because it kills everything. Roundup evaporates and therefore dissipates and you can go back and plant after three days, even plants used for food (human). I used to date a guy that was a farmer in South Louisiana and he used his 55 gallon barrels that ROUNDUP came in to feed his horses. I think he sprayed an entire field to come back and plant soybeans.
When I spray ROUNDUP, my idiot horses make sure they eat all the dead stuff where I sprayed.
There are herbicides that sterilize the soil for up to a year but since nothing grows on this soil, there is very little chance of an animal being poisoned. | |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | streakysox - 2016-10-31 10:33 AM
First of all, hay producers nurture their grass in their hay fields. They would not spray a field with ROUNDUP because it kills everything. Roundup evaporates and therefore dissipates and you can go back and plant after three days, even plants used for food (human). I used to date a guy that was a farmer in South Louisiana and he used his 55 gallon barrels that ROUNDUP came in to feed his horses. I think he sprayed an entire field to come back and plant soybeans.
When I spray ROUNDUP, my idiot horses make sure they eat all the dead stuff where I sprayed.
There are herbicides that sterilize the soil for up to a year but since nothing grows on this soil, there is very little chance of an animal being poisoned.
There has been a Round-Up Ready alfalfa developed and approved to market in the last 5 years. That means that it can be sprayed with Round-up and not kill it. Just like Round-Up Ready corn or beans. I'm sure that is the product that is being discussed in this tangent of this thread.
That said, I'm with Three4Luck on this particular issue... Never in the years working in an agronomy office did I hear of anything of this sort happening. I spray glyphosate around my place regularly, and I'm surrounded by farm ground, all of which gets glyphosate, 2-4D, baythroid, or any other assortment of products applied according to label, and have never had those types of issues. I need to do some more research to see what other incidents have happened that people are trying to pin on product application.
99% of all issues we ever saw at my office (including all non-livestock complaints--which was almost all of them) were due to off label application, or occasionally, drift. | |
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First of all, hay producers nurture their grass in their hay fields. They would not spray a field with ROUNDUP because it kills everything. Roundup evaporates and therefore dissipates and you can go back and plant after three days, even plants used for food (human). I used to date a guy that was a farmer in South Louisiana and he used his 55 gallon barrels that ROUNDUP came in to feed his horses. I think he sprayed an entire field to come back and plant soybeans.
When I spray ROUNDUP, my idiot horses make sure they eat all the dead stuff where I sprayed.
There are herbicides that sterilize the soil for up to a year but since nothing grows on this soil, there is very little chance of an animal being poisoned.
There has been a Round-Up Ready alfalfa developed and approved to market in the last 5 years. That means that it can be sprayed with Round-up and not kill it. Just like Round-Up Ready corn or beans. I'm sure that is the product that is being discussed in this tangent of this thread.
That said, I'm with Three4Luck on this particular issue... Never in the years working in an agronomy office did I hear of anything of this sort happening. I spray glyphosate around my place regularly, and I'm surrounded by farm ground, all of which gets glyphosate, 2-4D, baythroid, or any other assortment of products applied according to label, and have never had those types of issues. I need to do some more research to see what other incidents have happened that people are trying to pin on product application.
99% of all issues we ever saw at my office (including all non-livestock complaints--which was almost all of them ) were due to off label application, or occasionally, drift.
Sorry no tangent here we just got to talking about the round up ready hay. I have talked to enough people who have had experience with this to know it is a real issue. It is easy to hid it in other issues especially with horses and the fact that is cost so much to test for. It is never an issue until it is and I can guarantee some horses have died form what owners thought was a colic and it might have been a round up issue . I am not out trying to eliminate round up it is simply something I no longer use and thankfully many farmers will no longer use it in hay either because of their own issues and now it won't ship out of the country to many of the places it use to. If you could see my place you can walk around and tell all the places where the hay was fed and nothing will grown still and it has been months. You would have had to be here and see what it did there were just so many little things that went on . We have been hay producers as well so I am well aware of all that goes into making hay and I don't think any hay producers is in the wrong for growing and selling it. Sorry if you don't understand, this was well researched and just because you yourself have not seen the ill effects does not mean it is not true. I have been in contact with leading experts on both sides . If anyone wants to talk about it I am happy to message you. I didn't mean to hijack the thread. Round up ready has been around a very long time . It was developed right here close to my home.
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | cutnrunqhmt - 2016-10-31 11:50 AM
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streakysox - 2016-10-31 10:33 AM
First of all, hay producers nurture their grass in their hay fields. They would not spray a field with ROUNDUP because it kills everything. Roundup evaporates and therefore dissipates and you can go back and plant after three days, even plants used for food (human). I used to date a guy that was a farmer in South Louisiana and he used his 55 gallon barrels that ROUNDUP came in to feed his horses. I think he sprayed an entire field to come back and plant soybeans.
When I spray ROUNDUP, my idiot horses make sure they eat all the dead stuff where I sprayed.
There are herbicides that sterilize the soil for up to a year but since nothing grows on this soil, there is very little chance of an animal being poisoned.
There has been a Round-Up Ready alfalfa developed and approved to market in the last 5 years. That means that it can be sprayed with Round-up and not kill it. Just like Round-Up Ready corn or beans. I'm sure that is the product that is being discussed in this tangent of this thread.
That said, I'm with Three4Luck on this particular issue... Never in the years working in an agronomy office did I hear of anything of this sort happening. I spray glyphosate around my place regularly, and I'm surrounded by farm ground, all of which gets glyphosate, 2-4D, baythroid, or any other assortment of products applied according to label, and have never had those types of issues. I need to do some more research to see what other incidents have happened that people are trying to pin on product application.
99% of all issues we ever saw at my office (including all non-livestock complaints--which was almost all of them ) were due to off label application, or occasionally, drift.
Sorry no tangent here we just got to talking about the round up ready hay. I have talked to enough people who have had experience with this to know it is a real issue. It is easy to hid it in other issues especially with horses and the fact that is cost so much to test for. It is never an issue until it is and I can guarantee some horses have died form what owners thought was a colic and it might have been a round up issue . I am not out trying to eliminate round up it is simply something I no longer use and thankfully many farmers will no longer use it in hay either because of their own issues and now it won't ship out of the country to many of the places it use to. If you could see my place you can walk around and tell all the places where the hay was fed and nothing will grown still and it has been months. You would have had to be here and see what it did there were just so many little things that went on . We have been hay producers as well so I am well aware of all that goes into making hay and I don't think any hay producers is in the wrong for growing and selling it. Sorry if you don't understand, this was well researched and just because you yourself have not seen the ill effects does not mean it is not true. I have been in contact with leading experts on both sides . If anyone wants to talk about it I am happy to message you. I didn't mean to hijack the thread. Round up ready has been around a very long time . It was developed right here close to my home.
Glyphosate has no residual effects...It's half life is a matter of days. There are products that are, but Roundup is NOT a sterilant, it's a non-residual systemic. It can only affect the living plant tissue that it makes contact with. Sounds to me like there is more going on. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | RockinGR - 2016-10-31 12:08 PM cutnrunqhmt - 2016-10-31 11:50 AM RockinGR - 2016-10-31 11:23 AM streakysox - 2016-10-31 10:33 AM First of all, hay producers nurture their grass in their hay fields. They would not spray a field with ROUNDUP because it kills everything. Roundup evaporates and therefore dissipates and you can go back and plant after three days, even plants used for food (human). I used to date a guy that was a farmer in South Louisiana and he used his 55 gallon barrels that ROUNDUP came in to feed his horses. I think he sprayed an entire field to come back and plant soybeans. When I spray ROUNDUP, my idiot horses make sure they eat all the dead stuff where I sprayed. There are herbicides that sterilize the soil for up to a year but since nothing grows on this soil, there is very little chance of an animal being poisoned. There has been a Round-Up Ready alfalfa developed and approved to market in the last 5 years. That means that it can be sprayed with Round-up and not kill it. Just like Round-Up Ready corn or beans. I'm sure that is the product that is being discussed in this tangent of this thread. That said, I'm with Three4Luck on this particular issue... Never in the years working in an agronomy office did I hear of anything of this sort happening. I spray glyphosate around my place regularly, and I'm surrounded by farm ground, all of which gets glyphosate, 2-4D, baythroid, or any other assortment of products applied according to label, and have never had those types of issues. I need to do some more research to see what other incidents have happened that people are trying to pin on product application. 99% of all issues we ever saw at my office (including all non-livestock complaints--which was almost all of them ) were due to off label application, or occasionally, drift. Sorry no tangent here we just got to talking about the round up ready hay. I have talked to enough people who have had experience with this to know it is a real issue. It is easy to hid it in other issues especially with horses and the fact that is cost so much to test for. It is never an issue until it is and I can guarantee some horses have died form what owners thought was a colic and it might have been a round up issue . I am not out trying to eliminate round up it is simply something I no longer use and thankfully many farmers will no longer use it in hay either because of their own issues and now it won't ship out of the country to many of the places it use to. If you could see my place you can walk around and tell all the places where the hay was fed and nothing will grown still and it has been months. You would have had to be here and see what it did there were just so many little things that went on . We have been hay producers as well so I am well aware of all that goes into making hay and I don't think any hay producers is in the wrong for growing and selling it. Sorry if you don't understand, this was well researched and just because you yourself have not seen the ill effects does not mean it is not true. I have been in contact with leading experts on both sides . If anyone wants to talk about it I am happy to message you. I didn't mean to hijack the thread. Round up ready has been around a very long time . It was developed right here close to my home. Glyphosate has no residual effects...It's half life is a matter of days. There are products that are, but Roundup is NOT a sterilant, it's a non-residual systemic. It can only affect the living plant tissue that it makes contact with. Sounds to me like there is more going on.
Exactly what I was thinking. It has zero residual effect, seriously. Something else was going on. | |
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| RockinGR - 2016-10-31 12:08 PM
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First of all, hay producers nurture their grass in their hay fields. They would not spray a field with ROUNDUP because it kills everything. Roundup evaporates and therefore dissipates and you can go back and plant after three days, even plants used for food (human). I used to date a guy that was a farmer in South Louisiana and he used his 55 gallon barrels that ROUNDUP came in to feed his horses. I think he sprayed an entire field to come back and plant soybeans.
When I spray ROUNDUP, my idiot horses make sure they eat all the dead stuff where I sprayed.
There are herbicides that sterilize the soil for up to a year but since nothing grows on this soil, there is very little chance of an animal being poisoned.
There has been a Round-Up Ready alfalfa developed and approved to market in the last 5 years. That means that it can be sprayed with Round-up and not kill it. Just like Round-Up Ready corn or beans. I'm sure that is the product that is being discussed in this tangent of this thread.
That said, I'm with Three4Luck on this particular issue... Never in the years working in an agronomy office did I hear of anything of this sort happening. I spray glyphosate around my place regularly, and I'm surrounded by farm ground, all of which gets glyphosate, 2-4D, baythroid, or any other assortment of products applied according to label, and have never had those types of issues. I need to do some more research to see what other incidents have happened that people are trying to pin on product application.
99% of all issues we ever saw at my office (including all non-livestock complaints--which was almost all of them ) were due to off label application, or occasionally, drift.
Sorry no tangent here we just got to talking about the round up ready hay. I have talked to enough people who have had experience with this to know it is a real issue. It is easy to hid it in other issues especially with horses and the fact that is cost so much to test for. It is never an issue until it is and I can guarantee some horses have died form what owners thought was a colic and it might have been a round up issue . I am not out trying to eliminate round up it is simply something I no longer use and thankfully many farmers will no longer use it in hay either because of their own issues and now it won't ship out of the country to many of the places it use to. If you could see my place you can walk around and tell all the places where the hay was fed and nothing will grown still and it has been months. You would have had to be here and see what it did there were just so many little things that went on . We have been hay producers as well so I am well aware of all that goes into making hay and I don't think any hay producers is in the wrong for growing and selling it. Sorry if you don't understand, this was well researched and just because you yourself have not seen the ill effects does not mean it is not true. I have been in contact with leading experts on both sides . If anyone wants to talk about it I am happy to message you. I didn't mean to hijack the thread. Round up ready has been around a very long time . It was developed right here close to my home.
Glyphosate has no residual effects...It's half life is a matter of days. There are products that are, but Roundup is NOT a sterilant, it's a non-residual systemic. It can only affect the living plant tissue that it makes contact with. Sounds to me like there is more going on.
Nothing else as far as anyone can find. If glysophate goes away why is it in the ground years after the use. I can not make anyone believe this but test prove it. I totally get not everyone will back this but enough people do to make me a believer as well. There is a lot for people to learn if they will. I can not talk about all of it yet but you know if you chat to much about it you sometimes get shut up letters or visitors. Why would that happen ? I am just one little person my choice to stop using it will not effect anyone but myself. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I would love to see your sources for this info. Glyphosate cannot be preventing plant growth because it doesn't work that way. At all. I can't find anyone else, hay growers or livestock people, who have had an experience like yours, and I can't find any sources saying that RR alfalfa has affected livestock negatively. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 3:28 PM I would love to see your sources for this info. Glyphosate cannot be preventing plant growth because it doesn't work that way. At all. I can't find anyone else, hay growers or livestock people, who have had an experience like yours, and I can't find any sources saying that RR alfalfa has affected livestock negatively.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 1DSoon - 2016-10-31 2:35 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 3:28 PM I would love to see your sources for this info. Glyphosate cannot be preventing plant growth because it doesn't work that way. At all. I can't find anyone else, hay growers or livestock people, who have had an experience like yours, and I can't find any sources saying that RR alfalfa has affected livestock negatively. you just don't know.
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they have no clue and are paid to sell a product regardless of long term
affects to animals or other wild plants and the entire environment is
changed for the worse.
Look at the honey bee situation ... these fools have products that will kill
all kinds of worms and other little beasts and then lie about killing the
bees which are totally essential for food crops and keeping the world
in a normal state ...
I would never believe a county or state ag person as being smart on how
to manage any type of crop or livestock. If they were smart and know
all they would not be sitting on their butts working for a salary ... they
would be owners of large ag or cattle operations. They are an indirect
agent for your chemical companies .. period !!
IT IS NOT SMART TO MESS WITH MOTHER NATURE !!
MAN HAS CREATED MORE DISASTERS THAN ANY BUG IN THE WORLD..
lol
FYI; Idiot hay producers in my area also spray a chemical on hay and
alfalfa right before baling to keep the green color .... no idea what
it is ... but I will buy from someone that uses practical farming
practices ...
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 2:45 PM
1DSoon - 2016-10-31 2:35 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-31 3:28 PM I would love to see your sources for this info. Glyphosate cannot be preventing plant growth because it doesn't work that way. At all. I can't find anyone else, hay growers or livestock people, who have had an experience like yours, and I can't find any sources saying that RR alfalfa has affected livestock negatively. you just don't know.
Well you didn't look very hard it is not hard to find. I did't mean it slows plant growth it causes growth problems in animals certainly not saying every animal. We just bought hay from a guy who stopped producing it after he lost several bulls, he is the one who told us that the producers in his area have discovered that they avoid the problems by harvesting the hay later after the bloom. I didn't save every article I read but can go find them, I also have a brother in law who is a biochemist and gave me lots of insight on it. I always find it funny people have such a hard time understanding that eating poison is bad. There is no denying my hay had round up in it we had it tested at the Montana State University. Are you saying that eating a weed killer is healthy? The facts are my hay had round up in it I realize that not all hay will have this but mine did and I fed it for 7 months so for 7 months my horses ate round up and they were sick and some died. These were healthy well taken care of animals. Just because you yourself has not had an issue or know of an issue does not mean it can not happen. I am home all the time I saw all the little things start and most people who are not around all the time would have missed that it even happened until they found them dead or suffering from a painful episode. Most of these you would have just thought the horse coliced and died but these were more than that. | |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-31 3:25 PM
When you screw around with the genes of plants like the GMO people do ...
they have no clue and are paid to sell a product regardless of long term
affects to animals or other wild plants and the entire environment is
changed for the worse.
Look at the honey bee situation ... these fools have products that will kill
all kinds of worms and other little beasts and then lie about killing the
bees which are totally essential for food crops and keeping the world
in a normal state ...
I would never believe a county or state ag person as being smart on how
to manage any type of crop or livestock. If they were smart and know
all they would not be sitting on their butts working for a salary ... they
would be owners of large ag or cattle operations. They are an indirect
agent for your chemical companies .. period !!
IT IS NOT SMART TO MESS WITH MOTHER NATURE !!
MAN HAS CREATED MORE DISASTERS THAN ANY BUG IN THE WORLD..
lol
FYI; Idiot hay producers in my area also spray a chemical on hay and
alfalfa right before baling to keep the green color .... no idea what
it is ... but I will buy from someone that uses practical farming
practices ...
That chemical is actually causing huge problems for animals. We were told to look into it as well but our hay producer does not use it. I won't buy that hay either. I made a terrible mistake this year with my hay and I will forever feel bad about it so now I get a little beat up when I mention because some people just don't want to believe it can be bad. So now I just won't use it no one else has to believe me for me to know the truth that happened to me. | |
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Location: Way up North | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-31 3:25 PM When you screw around with the genes of plants like the GMO people do ... they have no clue and are paid to sell a product regardless of long term affects to animals or other wild plants and the entire environment is changed for the worse. Look at the honey bee situation ... these fools have products that will kill all kinds of worms and other little beasts and then lie about killing the bees which are totally essential for food crops and keeping the world in a normal state ... I would never believe a county or state ag person as being smart on how to manage any type of crop or livestock. If they were smart and know all they would not be sitting on their butts working for a salary ... they would be owners of large ag or cattle operations. They are an indirect agent for your chemical companies .. period !! IT IS NOT SMART TO MESS WITH MOTHER NATURE !! MAN HAS CREATED MORE DISASTERS THAN ANY BUG IN THE WORLD.. lol FYI; Idiot hay producers in my area also spray a chemical on hay and alfalfa right before baling to keep the green color .... no idea what it is ... but I will buy from someone that uses practical farming practices ...
For the love of all things holy, where did you get any of your info for the basis of these opinions??? Facebook? A cult?
FYI, The chemical on the hay is probably a preservative and it isn't just to keep it a green color. Have you ever asked those 'idiot farmers' what they are using and why? | |
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| AllAroundRider - 2016-10-31 3:41 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-31 3:25 PM When you screw around with the genes of plants like the GMO people do ... they have no clue and are paid to sell a product regardless of long term affects to animals or other wild plants and the entire environment is changed for the worse. Look at the honey bee situation ... these fools have products that will kill all kinds of worms and other little beasts and then lie about killing the bees which are totally essential for food crops and keeping the world in a normal state ... I would never believe a county or state ag person as being smart on how to manage any type of crop or livestock. If they were smart and know all they would not be sitting on their butts working for a salary ... they would be owners of large ag or cattle operations. They are an indirect agent for your chemical companies .. period !! IT IS NOT SMART TO MESS WITH MOTHER NATURE !! MAN HAS CREATED MORE DISASTERS THAN ANY BUG IN THE WORLD.. lol FYI; Idiot hay producers in my area also spray a chemical on hay and alfalfa right before baling to keep the green color .... no idea what it is ... but I will buy from someone that uses practical farming practices ...
For the love of all things holy, where did you get any of your info for the basis of these opinions??? Facebook? A cult?
FYI, The chemical on the hay is probably a preservative and it isn't just to keep it a green color. Have you ever asked those 'idiot farmers' what they are using and why?
The chemical is a preservative but it is causing many issues with horses and cattle. I have had vets warm me about it and when I was trying to figure mine out even the big universities told me to look into it. | |
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| One person you can watch and listen to is Dr Don Huber. I realize you have to weed through the crazies but you also can not just listen to Monsanto. | |
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