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Location: Oklahoma City OK | I look at it from another point of view, as a show manager. Concerned about the impact it is going to have on exhibitors travelling from a distance over 150 miles, having to now have an additional driver if they have to drive over 10 hours - having to have a "sleeper berth" for the non-driver (and not just in the back seat of the truck or trailer, right?) and if you don't have the aforementioned, having to find a place to stop and layover for minimum of 10 hours. I see added travel time to a show, the added cost of either another driver in an acceptable non-driving rest location, added cost of boarding horses overnight, motel, the potential problem of people that aren't going to unload or board overnight and just leave the horses on the trailer for that additional length of time, etc etc. How many exhibitors is that going to impact that decide they can't go to the shows/events farther away? My concern as show manager is potentially losing exhibitors as well as safety and well being for the horses behing hauled....... |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | Here in Iowa they sit outside of sale barns. So it will pretty hard for you to say you are going trail riding when you are pulling into an event. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | smmthbr - 2018-01-04 7:22 AM I look at it from another point of view, as a show manager. Concerned about the impact it is going to have on exhibitors travelling from a distance over 150 miles, having to now have an additional driver if they have to drive over 10 hours - having to have a "sleeper berth" for the non-driver (and not just in the back seat of the truck or trailer, right?) and if you don't have the aforementioned, having to find a place to stop and layover for minimum of 10 hours. I see added travel time to a show, the added cost of either another driver in an acceptable non-driving rest location, added cost of boarding horses overnight, motel, the potential problem of people that aren't going to unload or board overnight and just leave the horses on the trailer for that additional length of time, etc etc. How many exhibitors is that going to impact that decide they can't go to the shows/events farther away? My concern as show manager is potentially losing exhibitors as well as safety and well being for the horses behing hauled.......
could we modify our back seat to a sleeper birth? |
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| BS Hauler - 2018-01-04 9:34 AM
I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that.
Can you? Because my 3H 9’ short wall Lakota pulled by a 3500 dually has a GVWR of 26,900. I have pulled it with a 2500 and would rather not. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | OhMax - 2018-01-04 12:42 PM
BS Hauler - 2018-01-04 9:34 AM
I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that.
Can you? Because my 3H 9’ short wall Lakota pulled by a 3500 dually has a GVWR of 26,900. I have pulled it with a 2500 and would rather not.
That’s a big concern I have: people under trucking or buying trailers with smaller axles to stay under the stupid GVWR weight limits. Doesn’t that sound safe? |
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  Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-04 1:18 PM
OhMax - 2018-01-04 12:42 PM
BS Hauler - 2018-01-04 9:34 AM
I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that.
Can you? Because my 3H 9’ short wall Lakota pulled by a 3500 dually has a GVWR of 26,900. I have pulled it with a 2500 and would rather not.
That’s a big concern I have: people under trucking or buying trailers with smaller axles to stay under the stupid GVWR weight limits. Doesn’t that sound safe?
Tis safer to be overtrucked than undertrucked. Regardless, of regs, when One is overtrucked, One has the capability to stop and being safer than when undertrucked. Kinda hard for a dead driver to pay a fine now is it not? |
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| foundation horse - 2018-01-04 1:49 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-04 1:18 PM
OhMax - 2018-01-04 12:42 PM
BS Hauler - 2018-01-04 9:34 AM
I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that.
Can you? Because my 3H 9’ short wall Lakota pulled by a 3500 dually has a GVWR of 26,900. I have pulled it with a 2500 and would rather not.
That’s a big concern I have: people under trucking or buying trailers with smaller axles to stay under the stupid GVWR weight limits. Doesn’t that sound safe?
Tis safer to be overtrucked than undertrucked. Regardless, of regs, when One is overtrucked, One has the capability to stop and being safer than when undertrucked. Kinda hard for a dead driver to pay a fine now is it not?
I completely agree - it’s not me one would need to worry about! I see 2500’s and 250’s pulled trailers that have 10’ in length on mine! F’in STUPID!
My point was it doesn’t take much trailer at all to get to that 26,000# mark really, mine is far from the biggest or fanciest rig on the road and we eclipse it, even if just barely. I don’t think you’ll see the majority giving up creature comforts to haul the stock trailer tag along to a 3 or 4 day jackpot.
We’ve considered getting our CDLs for other reasons including my husband being able to truck for local farmers when froze out of other work, so we may just bite the bullet. |
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | OhMax - 2018-01-04 2:13 PM
foundation horse - 2018-01-04 1:49 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-04 1:18 PM
OhMax - 2018-01-04 12:42 PM
BS Hauler - 2018-01-04 9:34 AM
I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that.
Can you? Because my 3H 9’ short wall Lakota pulled by a 3500 dually has a GVWR of 26,900. I have pulled it with a 2500 and would rather not.
That’s a big concern I have: people under trucking or buying trailers with smaller axles to stay under the stupid GVWR weight limits. Doesn’t that sound safe?
Tis safer to be overtrucked than undertrucked. Regardless, of regs, when One is overtrucked, One has the capability to stop and being safer than when undertrucked. Kinda hard for a dead driver to pay a fine now is it not?
I completely agree - it’s not me one would need to worry about! I see 2500’s and 250’s pulled trailers that have 10’ in length on mine! F’in STUPID!
My point was it doesn’t take much trailer at all to get to that 26,000# mark really, mine is far from the biggest or fanciest rig on the road and we eclipse it, even if just barely. I don’t think you’ll see the majority giving up creature comforts to haul the stock trailer tag along to a 3 or 4 day jackpot.
We’ve considered getting our CDLs for other reasons including my husband being able to truck for local farmers when froze out of other work, so we may just bite the bullet.
Acquiring One's CDL is not that difficult. |
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Not that difficult? Says who? |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-04 3:34 PM Not that difficult? Says who?
Umm, I know you two are smart enough to get it. You just have to study. LOL |
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Location: Wherever the Army sends my husband | 3canstorun - 2018-01-04 3:13 PM Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-04 3:34 PM Not that difficult? Says who? Umm, I know you two are smart enough to get it. You just have to study. LOL Its really not. I just got mine in August. I crammed for a week and passed with flying colors on the written test and got my permit. Drove for an hour a day, for 2 or 3 weeks, I can't remember. Went to the Dmv and passed the driving test first time out.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Class A no air brakes
if you can get dressed and make your own breakfast you can pass the test. |
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 Just a Yankee
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | Again, Where has everyone been, this Orwellian law ... well DOT calls it a Rule. Has been coming for over two years. The next rule will be Speed Limiters. Time to fight this, unless you like Big Brother. I've been fighting this. OOIDA took this to the supreme court, and lost. Fight it, Fight it, Fight it.
It was pushed in the name of "safety" which is all DOT likes to preach. But, the push came from the ATA which is backed by the Mega Carriers ie. Swift, JB Hunt, CR England,Werner etc. Because the competition doesn't run ELD's. ELD's were first mandated by DOT on Werner, because it was run ELD's OR loose operating authority.
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 3canstorun - 2018-01-04 3:13 PM Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-04 3:34 PM Not that difficult? Says who? Umm, I know you two are smart enough to get it. You just have to study. LOL
Don't you have to know mechanical crap? I can operate it but I do not give a beep how it works or what the parts are. What happens when you get a speeding ticket? What if you're deaf, can you still pass the medical? |
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Location: Oklahoma | That 26001 rule is not very much weight as far as rigs go. I have a 3/4 Dodge that weighs 8,300 (something like that but close I will have to look again) and an elite 3h 4' shortwall trailer that is 14500 in weight. I usually only haul 1-2 horses at a time. and I was in the process of turning it into a weekend quarter without the tanks. that sure doesn't give me much room at all. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | I am getting my noncommercial class A. the wieght is very easy to go over |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | foundation horse - 2018-01-04 12:49 PM Three 4 Luck - 2018-01-04 1:18 PM OhMax - 2018-01-04 12:42 PM BS Hauler - 2018-01-04 9:34 AM I actually think that most people will just downsize to trucks and trailers that will be under the 26,000 # limit. so they don't have to worry about the ELD's . You can still run a pretty nice size rig and stay under that. Can you? Because my 3H 9’ short wall Lakota pulled by a 3500 dually has a GVWR of 26,900. I have pulled it with a 2500 and would rather not. That’s a big concern I have: people under trucking or buying trailers with smaller axles to stay under the stupid GVWR weight limits. Doesn’t that sound safe? Tis safer to be overtrucked than undertrucked. Regardless, of regs, when One is overtrucked, One has the capability to stop and being safer than when undertrucked. Kinda hard for a dead driver to pay a fine now is it not?
exactly and the simplest trailers can be over that weight when pulled by a 3500. We have a 22ft steel Titan that has a tack room, I think when we had a 3500 dually it would be over that. I don't see people selling off their living qtrs to get out of the DOT. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| here is a good Facebook post going on https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1853114438034381&id=1883... |
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