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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cranky B4 10am - 2018-10-10 1:09 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-10 12:57 PM With all the illegal immigrants flooding our country and here in South Texas its a really big problem, why WOULD YOU NOT want to protect your children from dieases? they are bringing measles, tuberculosis, rabies, hepatitis A, influenze, chickenpox and many more with them and trying to enroll their children in our schools, now why would you not want to protect your own children? This just makes no since to me, reading things posted on FB about how harmful vaccines are is just crazy..
Well it's in FB so it must be true!   
LOL  , theres just to many gullible people out there and I think most of them must be on FB.. | |
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| TyE - 2018-10-10 1:05 PM Bear - 2018-10-10 12:34 PM TyE - 2018-10-10 12:07 PM Bear - 2018-10-10 11:29 AM TyE - 2018-10-10 11:07 AM Bear,
Have you read the entire vaccine insert for every vaccine given in todays age?
Just answer her question on that one please. I really want to hear your opinion on that and what the insert says. I am on the fence about vaccines...... so truly interested.
thank you. That’s a very reasonable question, and here’s my answer: No. Nobody reads package inserts of every vaccine and medication as a matter of routine. That’s just a fact.
I am "assuming" your question is a rhetorical one. I VERY rarely take any type of medication. I try to avoid them especially after all the money I spent on the above mentioned episode and having to have my esophagus stretched.
Thank you again for your honesty! Trust me, I will thoroughly address your question about the inserts. I did answer your question and I’m willing to expound on that further, but you didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask you again. I posted a real list of possible adverse events related to a medication, and I asked if YOU would take this medication, or willingly give it to your 14 year old son or husband. Would you?
FYI and others: I can answer you this though I read all of the side effects of any type of pill I put in my mouth. I also do not eat cheetos, drink pop, eat wheat, smoke cigs, vape, drink alcohol, eat at McD, Taco Bell or anything similiar. etc. I buy 90% organic, non gmo. Stay away from sugar (most of the time) I do see a Regualr Nurse Practioner and a Naturopath MD and I firmly believe that like my NP says the Medical field needs to learn from the Naturopaths and vice versa. To learn from each other. I am not anti Medicine.
Oh and by the way for others information I have the MTHFR gene but only from 1 parent... I can't remember what it's called when it is that way? Or maybe I said that wrong?? My naturopath included this test in his bloodwork, not expensive and to make sure I take the right type of B vitamin.
Look forward to your information!
The above was my answer to your question.
Yes, I read that that type of steroid that I took could possibly cause your esophagus to shrink therefore causing the spasm. | |
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| Gunner11 - 2018-10-10 1:25 PM Bear - 2018-10-10 11:29 AM TyE - 2018-10-10 11:07 AM Bear,
Have you read the entire vaccine insert for every vaccine given in todays age?
Just answer her question on that one please. I really want to hear your opinion on that and what the insert says. I am on the fence about vaccines...... so truly interested.
thank you. That’s a very reasonable question, and here’s my answer: No. Nobody reads package inserts of every vaccine and medication as a matter of routine. That’s just a fact. Stick with me, and read this carefully. I’m about to illustrate a point. Here is a list of potential complications or adverse events associated with the use of a medication. Some of these are redundant, but this is what’s contained in the “package insert”: Conditions Of Excess Stomach Acid Secretion Feel Like Throwing Up - nausea Heartburn Irritation Of The Stomach Or Intestines Stomach Cramps Throwing Up A Rupture or perforation in The Wall Of The Stomach Or Intestine Anemia Bleeding and hemorrhage Bleeding Of The Stomach Or Intestines Bloody stools Bronchospasm and worsening of asthma with respiratory failure Decrease In The Ability Of Platelet Cells To Clot Decreased Blood Platelets Decreased White Blood Cells Drowsiness Giant Hives - urticaria Hemolytic Anemia Hemorrhage Within The Skull, stroke, possibly fatal. Hepatitis and rarely liver failure Hives Inflammation Of Skin Caused By An Allergy Interstitial Nephritis and renal failure. Itching Large Purple Or Brown Skin Blotches Life Threatening Allergic Reaction Ringing In The Ears Seizures Small Skin Blister Stomach Or Intestinal Ulcer Trouble Breathing Wheezing Abnormal Liver Function Tests Fatal liver failure with seizures in children Burning Upper abdominal pain Collection Of Clotted Blood In An Organ, Space Or Tissue Indigestion Loss Of Appetite Rash Redness Of Skin So, I ask you, TyE, would you take this medication after reading this? Ibuprofen? I know it's going to be something super common that we all use
Yes, and long term use of ibuprofen that we all take is dangerous for your intestinal health. That is at least what the bottle says. So, I do not take ibuprofen. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | TyE - 2018-10-10 2:06 PM
TyE - 2018-10-10 1:05 PM Bear - 2018-10-10 12:34 PM TyE - 2018-10-10 12:07 PM Bear - 2018-10-10 11:29 AM TyE - 2018-10-10 11:07 AM Bear,
Have you read the entire vaccine insert for every vaccine given in todays age?
Just answer her question on that one please. I really want to hear your opinion on that and what the insert says.  I am on the fence about vaccines...... so truly interested.Â
thank you.  That’s a very reasonable question, and here’s my answer: No. Nobody reads package inserts of every vaccine and medication as a matter of routine. That’s just a fact.Â
 I am "assuming" your question is a rhetorical one. I VERY rarely take any type of medication. I try to avoid them especially after all the money I spent on the above mentioned episode and having to have my esophagus stretched.Â
Thank you again for your honesty! Trust me, I will thoroughly address your question about the inserts. I did answer your question and I’m willing to expound on that further, but you didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask you again. I posted a real list of possible adverse events related to a medication, and I asked if YOU would take this medication, or willingly give it to your 14 year old son or husband. Would you?
FYI and others: I can answer you this though I read all of the side effects of any type of pill I put in my mouth. I also do not eat cheetos, drink pop, eat wheat, smoke cigs, vape, drink alcohol, eat at McD, Taco Bell or anything similiar. etc.  I buy 90% organic, non gmo. Stay away from sugar (most of the time) I do see a Regualr Nurse Practioner and a Naturopath MD and I firmly believe that like my NP says the Medical field needs to learn from the Naturopaths and vice versa.  To learn from each other. I am not anti Medicine.Â
Oh and by the way for others information I have the MTHFR gene but only from 1 parent... I can't remember what it's called when it is that way? Or maybe I said that wrong?? My naturopath included this test in his bloodwork, not expensive and to make sure IÂ Â take the right type of B vitamin.Â
Look forward to your information!
Yes, I read that that type of steroid that I took could possibly cause your esophagus to shrink therefore causing the spasm. Â
I don’t think steroids cause your esophagus to “shrink”.
Maybe you think that’s what it said.
I already described how it can effect your esophagus. Shrinking and spasms isn’t one of them. I’d like to see where it says that. | |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-10 1:57 PM
cranky B4 10am - 2018-10-10 1:09 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-10 12:57 PM With all the illegal immigrants flooding our country and here in South Texas its a really big problem, why WOULD YOU NOT want to protect your children from dieases? they are bringing measles, tuberculosis, rabies, hepatitis A, influenze, chickenpox and many more with them and trying to enroll their children in our schools, now why would you not want to protect your own children? This just makes no since to me, reading things posted on FB about how harmful vaccines are is just crazy..
 Well it's in FB so it must be true!    Â
We have just had warnings / alerts here in our state regarding Tuberculosis..... ugh. | |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Bear - 2018-10-10 12:02 PM
There is a measles epidemic happening right now in Europe. It has already infected over 41,000 children, and killed 37. There is every reason to believe that these numbers will only grow.
The worst part? It is entirely preventable. Every single sick child. Every single death. Step one is to vaccinate. Step two is to combat the deadly antivaxxers every chance you get.
Thank you for standing up for the facts!
Unfortunately, folks get off on some odd tangents at times -- such as the period of time in Europe when people would NOT bathe because they thought it would make them ill.
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| RockyMountainRacer - 2018-10-11 4:54 AM
Imagine thinking 5 minutes of Googling on conspiracy theory websites and watching a couple sham documentaries trump an actual medical degree.
You should try being an attorney. I don't know why I spent $100k to go to law school when FB and Google can do my job for me. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | IdahoBarrelRacer756 - 2018-10-11 3:13 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2018-10-11 4:54 AM Imagine thinking 5 minutes of Googling on conspiracy theory websites and watching a couple sham documentaries trump an actual medical degree. You should try being an attorney. I don't know why I spent $100k to go to law school when FB and Google can do my job for me.
I may have giggled a bit too hard at both of these comments. You two are funny.  | |
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| I think most people have had this thought run through their mind at some point since all us parents want is to do the best thing for our children.
I decided to have this conversation with my pediatrician after having my second child. My pediatrician is older and old school about most things. She said “I grew up in days when these diseases were killing children and adults. I watched family members become very sick and some even passed away, I think this started my dream of wanting to become a pediatrician. I think people now days just forget what these diseases actually are and what they are capable of. Even through I will honor your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate your children, please research the diseases we are vaccinating for!”
I have never questioned my decision to vaccinate my two children again! Also I not going to lie non vaccinated children scary me especially since everyone seems to be going through the phase of not doing it. Am I the only one that worries about taking my infant to the park? What if one of the kids are carrying something and my child isn’t due for that vaccination yet! | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | bbennington - 2018-10-11 10:34 PM
I think most people have had this thought run through their mind at some point since all us parents want is to do the best thing for our children.
I decided to have this conversation with my pediatrician after having my second child. My pediatrician is older and old school about most things. She said “I grew up in days when these diseases were killing children and adults. I watched family members become very sick and some even passed away, I think this started my dream of wanting to become a pediatrician. I think people now days just forget what these diseases actually are and what they are capable of. Even through I will honor your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate your children, please research the diseases we are vaccinating for!”
I have never questioned my decision to vaccinate my two children again! Also I not going to lie non vaccinated children scary me especially since everyone seems to be going through the phase of not doing it. Am I the only one that worries about taking my infant to the park? What if one of the kids are carrying something and my child isn’t due for that vaccination yet!
There’s a good reason to justify your concern. The effectiveness of vaccines depends heavily on “herd immunity”. No vaccine affords a person 100% protection. Measles vaccines are effective in confering immunity to 95% of those vaccinated. For diseases where the main risk of transmission is via person to person, that 5 % unprotected-vaccinated population is mainly afforded protection through “herd immunity”.
That explains the recent outbreaks of measles and whooping cough seen in England and the US. We have the antivaxxers to thank for that. | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | bbennington - 2018-10-11 10:34 PM
I think most people have had this thought run through their mind at some point since all us parents want is to do the best thing for our children.
I decided to have this conversation with my pediatrician after having my second child. My pediatrician is older and old school about most things. She said “I grew up in days when these diseases were killing children and adults. I watched family members become very sick and some even passed away, I think this started my dream of wanting to become a pediatrician. I think people now days just forget what these diseases actually are and what they are capable of. Even through I will honor your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate your children, please research the diseases we are vaccinating for!”
I have never questioned my decision to vaccinate my two children again! Also I not going to lie non vaccinated children scary me especially since everyone seems to be going through the phase of not doing it. Am I the only one that worries about taking my infant to the park? What if one of the kids are carrying something and my child isn’t due for that vaccination yet!
Actually, I think the antivaxxer kids are more at risk of catching something from another child who is a little sick from being recently vaccinated with a live virus vaccine. Your kids are safe from the non-vaccinated ones, as I understand it. | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I guess I consider myself to be on the fence, too. Even though I believe in vaccines, and I know they work. (Everyone and everything here is vaccinated.)
I think at least some children may have been harmed from the blanket approach of "everyone-vaccinate", but I also think some children have been harmed from the other extreme of "no vaccines at all" approach. I don't think doctors know everything and I don't trust big pharmaceutical companies to have the best interest of every individual in mind. But, I think the testimony from parents whose children have maybe been harmed by vaccines does have merit. I don't think people who lack a PhD should be called stupid just because they question vaccines. Just because the harmed are a small number and drug companies (and doctors) can point to a very large number of un-harmed and say "well, it didn't happen to them" doesn't mean it didn't affect those kids. I would have more confidence in the drug companies if they were really trying to find out why a vaccine may have affected those kids. If it's as simple as a test for a gene, why not offer that to parents?
I chose to do vaccines on a much slower schedule. The doctors admitted that, if they asked patients to make that many separate trips for vaccines, that a good many wouldn't follow through. It was also more expensive. But, I felt better doing it that way after my son got sick from his first series of shots. He did not get sick after the subsequent individual shots.
I also don't like it that I can't get separate vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella. I would pay much more to get them done at three separate visits. But, I was told that they only offer that in Europe. I'm sure it's still like that now. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Delta Cowgirl - 2018-10-11 10:55 AM We have just had warnings / alerts here in our state regarding Tuberculosis..... ugh.
And now with all the illegals flooding/crossing over tuberculosis is getting more common along with other disease's.
In our schools you had to have your child vaccinated for certain disease's befor you could enrolled them in school and this was in border towns, I dont know about other schools out side the border towns but its just common sense to want your child protected, I know for a fact my grandchildren or vaccinated or getting what they need now for school and we are not in a border town any more, but still feels like we are with all the illegals that are here.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nita - 2018-10-12 9:17 AM
bbennington - 2018-10-11 10:34 PM
I think most people have had this thought run through their mind at some point since all us parents want is to do the best thing for our children.
I decided to have this conversation with my pediatrician after having my second child. My pediatrician is older and old school about most things. She said “I grew up in days when these diseases were killing children and adults. I watched family members become very sick and some even passed away, I think this started my dream of wanting to become a pediatrician. I think people now days just forget what these diseases actually are and what they are capable of. Even through I will honor your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate your children, please research the diseases we are vaccinating for!”
I have never questioned my decision to vaccinate my two children again! Also I not going to lie non vaccinated children scary me especially since everyone seems to be going through the phase of not doing it. Am I the only one that worries about taking my infant to the park? What if one of the kids are carrying something and my child isn’t due for that vaccination yet!
Actually, I think the antivaxxer kids are more at risk of catching something from another child who is a little sick from being recently vaccinated with a live virus vaccine. Your kids are safe from the non-vaccinated ones, as I understand it.
Actually, this isn’t completely true, as I explained in an earlier post. You might have glossed over it. A small percentage of kids vaccinated against measles, for example, are not immunized.....like 5%.
Those kids are vulnerable. That’s why herd immunity is so important. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nita - 2018-10-12 9:37 AM
I guess I consider myself to be on the fence, too. Even though I believe in vaccines, and I know they work. (Everyone and everything here is vaccinated.)
I think at least some children may have been harmed from the blanket approach of "everyone-vaccinate", but I also think some children have been harmed from the other extreme of "no vaccines at all" approach. I don't think doctors know everything and I don't trust big pharmaceutical companies to have the best interest of every individual in mind. But, I think the testimony from parents whose children have maybe been harmed by vaccines does have merit. I don't think people who lack a PhD should be called stupid just because they question vaccines. Just because the harmed are a small number and drug companies (and doctors) can point to a very large number of un-harmed and say "well, it didn't happen to them" doesn't mean it didn't affect those kids. I would have more confidence in the drug companies if they were really trying to find out why a vaccine may have affected those kids. If it's as simple as a test for a gene, why not offer that to parents?
I chose to do vaccines on a much slower schedule. The doctors admitted that, if they asked patients to make that many separate trips for vaccines, that a good many wouldn't follow through. It was also more expensive. But, I felt better doing it that way after my son got sick from his first series of shots. He did not get sick after the subsequent individual shots.
I also don't like it that I can't get separate vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella. I would pay much more to get them done at three separate visits. But, I was told that they only offer that in Europe. I'm sure it's still like that now.
It’s not hard to instinctively believe that giving so many vaccines to kids, or giving multiple vaccines at once is a harmful practice. This has been studied fairly extensively, and to date, the conclusion is that there is no good evidence that this practice is harmful. In fact, there is work underway to provide more vaccine combinations because the practice has demonstrable safety. That work has merit, to my way of thinking, particularly if we can safely cut down on the number of “shots” given to kids. Maybe then parents would be a little less reluctant to bring their kids in for vaccines.
There are some doctors out there who have jumped on the antivax bandwagon, but it’s not based on scientific reality. They too succumb to the same faulty, baseless logic as the antivaxers. Many have found their stances to yield handsome financial windfalls.
It’s very easy to blame things like this on big, greedy, evil pharma, but the truth is many of us wouldn’t be alive were it not for “big pharma”. Also, this idea that doctors are motivated to push vaccines out of greed is just not true. If greed was their motive, they should push against vaccines. That way they will rake it in when all these kids get sick.
As to this idea of “testing for a gene”, I addressed that in an earlier post, and included an excellent link that lays it all out.
Just remember this.....measles kills a handful of kids every year in the US now. Before vaccines it killed 6000-7000 a year. Think about that. | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bear - 2018-10-12 12:16 PM Nita - 2018-10-12 9:37 AM I guess I consider myself to be on the fence, too. Even though I believe in vaccines, and I know they work. (Everyone and everything here is vaccinated.) I think at least some children may have been harmed from the blanket approach of "everyone-vaccinate", but I also think some children have been harmed from the other extreme of "no vaccines at all" approach. I don't think doctors know everything and I don't trust big pharmaceutical companies to have the best interest of every individual in mind. But, I think the testimony from parents whose children have maybe been harmed by vaccines does have merit. I don't think people who lack a PhD should be called stupid just because they question vaccines. Just because the harmed are a small number and drug companies (and doctors) can point to a very large number of un-harmed and say "well, it didn't happen to them" doesn't mean it didn't affect those kids. I would have more confidence in the drug companies if they were really trying to find out why a vaccine may have affected those kids. If it's as simple as a test for a gene, why not offer that to parents? I chose to do vaccines on a much slower schedule. The doctors admitted that, if they asked patients to make that many separate trips for vaccines, that a good many wouldn't follow through. It was also more expensive. But, I felt better doing it that way after my son got sick from his first series of shots. He did not get sick after the subsequent individual shots. I also don't like it that I can't get separate vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella. I would pay much more to get them done at three separate visits. But, I was told that they only offer that in Europe. I'm sure it's still like that now. It’s not hard to instinctively believe that giving so many vaccines to kids, or giving multiple vaccines at once is a harmful practice. This has been studied fairly extensively, and to date, the conclusion is that there is no good evidence that this practice is harmful. In fact, there is work underway to provide more vaccine combinations because the practice has demonstrable safety. That work has merit, to my way of thinking, particularly if we can safely cut down on the number of “shots” given to kids. Maybe then parents would be a little less reluctant to bring their kids in for vaccines. There are some doctors out there who have jumped on the antivax bandwagon, but it’s not based on scientific reality. They too succumb to the same faulty, baseless logic as the antivaxers. Many have found their stances to yield handsome financial windfalls. It’s very easy to blame things like this on big, greedy, evil pharma, but the truth is many of us wouldn’t be alive were it not for “big pharma”. Also, this idea that doctors are motivated to push vaccines out of greed is just not true. If greed was their motive, they should push against vaccines. That way they will rake it in when all these kids get sick. As to this idea of “testing for a gene”, I addressed that in an earlier post, and included an excellent link that lays it all out. Just remember this.....measles kills a handful of kids every year in the US now. Before vaccines it killed 6000-7000 a year. Think about that.
I feel like the majority of anti-vacc peeps have never seen up close and personal the devestating effects of diseases that vaccinations have come close to wiping out. There is nothing like up close experience to drive reality home. | |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | As a kid, here in the rural south, I spent summers riding my horses all over the county -- and exploring. Some of us kids loved exploring along Bayou Bartholomew. In the early days it was 'the highway' to / from our area so there were lots of settlements along the banks -- and that means lots of old cemeteries. I was shocked at the number of infant graves in these cemeteries and graves of 2 - 4 year olds. I was just a kid myself -- 9 - 12 years at this time and the high number of graves of infants and children shocked me. I talked with my great grandmother about these graves and she told me how infants and toddlers died all the time due to diseases we don't even worry about now..... some families would lose 4 or 5 children! This made a huge impression on me. Note my name -- The Vaccinator. I have been had all vaccinations possible -- and now as an old person, I have had shingles and pneumonia..... and knock on wood -- since starting an annual flu shot 25+ years ago, I've not had winter colds, etc. I just do not get sick. I think my immune system has been stimulated to 'top form' -- LOL! | |
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Location: lone star state | get your pediatrician to email you a copy of each vac ingedients. do your own search of ingredient then you will have confidence that you are making the right choice for your kids. if you find something concerning talk to their dr. | |
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